| Birdie New Zealand. July 05 2012 20:54. Posts 1234 | Profile Blog # |
| Hmm, can you not just penalize late lineup-submissions? I would think that would make people be more careful about submitting them on time. |
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| Jealous United States. July 06 2012 00:41. Posts 2204 | Profile Blog # |
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| L_Master United States. July 06 2012 00:47. Posts 3491 | Profile Blog # |
On July 05 2012 16:14 Nikon wrote:Alright, my ISP is still wonky, but at least I have connection. Sorry for the delay yo. I'll proceed down the list of items of interest, updating this post as I go. OK, first of all, the format is going to change from WL style to PL style, Bo5 no Ace match.
Map pool changes as following:
Destination is out.
Neo Outlier is out.
Neo Aztec is exchanged for Outsider SE.
Second, there will be no 2v2 happening this season. Sorry to the people who wanted it, but this league is 1v1 oriented.
Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:36 pebble444 wrote:
On July 05 2012 06:03 Essbee wrote:
Me and IU decided to merge team so we'll be SK Telecom T3 with the following roster:
essbee (T) D+
Skeggaba (Z) D+
PsyonicReaver (P) D+
razryv (P) D
sgs.iu (P) D+
guygun (T) D/D+
sgs.protossu (TvZ, TvP, PvT) D+
Also, I registered the team on BWCL but I'm not sure if I did the right thing. Is it: Create a clan them let people join it and leave it there, or you also gotta sign up for the current Brood War Clan League?
Thanks.
No i' m pretty sure you just make a team and later there will be a DRTL section to join on the website.
This is correct. Your team will be slotted into ladder once Season 2 starts. Ideally, we're going to have 14 teams this season, but I don't know how many people will turn out TT_TT
Nikon, your a boss. Good decisions too, imo.
Thanks for all the work you do making this league a reality! |
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| Artanis[Xp] Netherlands. July 06 2012 01:41. Posts 3455 | Profile Blog # |
| I'd love to play again this season, but I'm not sure if I'm too good for it or not. I haven't played since the previous season but I went 12-0 there. No clue what my iccup rank would be. If I'm allowed I'd love to play for TAKK again. |
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| CoughingHydra July 06 2012 01:47. Posts 57 | Profile # |
Free agent.
Race: Zerg
ID: CoughingHydra
Rank: D
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| TheShimmy United States. July 06 2012 01:51. Posts 1723 | Profile # |
| 14 Teams! Legit. If it looks there will be walkover problems teams could always merge. Also, kudos to Nikon for doing so awesome organizing. |
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| Nikon Bulgaria. July 06 2012 02:16. Posts 4712 | Profile Blog # |
On July 05 2012 20:54 Birdie wrote:
Hmm, can you not just penalize late lineup-submissions? I would think that would make people be more careful about submitting them on time.
This doesn't work. Believe me, I've tried it.
On July 06 2012 01:51 TheShimmy wrote:
14 Teams! Legit. If it looks there will be walkover problems teams could always merge. Also, kudos to Nikon for doing so awesome organizing.
I was saying that I hope that there'd be 14 teams, not that there are 14 teams already. Just FYI 
On July 06 2012 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd love to play again this season, but I'm not sure if I'm too good for it or not. I haven't played since the previous season but I went 12-0 there. No clue what my iccup rank would be. If I'm allowed I'd love to play for TAKK again.
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| EchOne United States. July 06 2012 02:48. Posts 2370 | Profile Blog # |
My guess is the root issue that caused late lineup submissions last season was simple inactivity/laziness from captains. Lineup submission on-site won't fix that. Players or teams that lose motivation/start not showing up will still face absences. Last season I remember at least once the captain of the team I played against didn't show up, so delegation of authority will be necessary. Other problems unique to on-site lineups:
-Time pressure for organizers. It just introduces a lot of work on-site for organizers in addition to the extant work of handling walkover/absence disputes, lag disputes, substitution/double-play disputes, etc.
-Teams cannot self-mediate. With lineups preset, captains can negotiate on-site according to preset rules in order to keep the ball rolling/get the games played in case players or even organizers are late.
-No preset matchups between players limits rescheduling. Players who live in inconvenient time zones will have to either wake up at 4am, negotiate a reschedule *after* Sunday (assuming a rule framework is built for that), or simply not play at all.
I'm sure it can be made to work, but preset lineups just feel smoother. |
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| Sentenal United States. July 06 2012 03:02. Posts 6344 | Profile Blog # |
Having no-preset match-ups pretty much prevents the possibility for rescheduling.
Last time I think things were too leniant for lazy captains not submitting lineups. If they submit a late lineup, make them start at -2 points when the match starts, period. In my experience with leagues like this, submitting a lineup isn't hard at all. I can't imagine why any captain would have a legitimate reason to not submit a lineup by the deadline. |
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| L_Master United States. July 06 2012 03:06. Posts 3491 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 02:16 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 20:54 Birdie wrote:
Hmm, can you not just penalize late lineup-submissions? I would think that would make people be more careful about submitting them on time.
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:51 TheShimmy wrote:
14 Teams! Legit. If it looks there will be walkover problems teams could always merge. Also, kudos to Nikon for doing so awesome organizing.
I was saying that I hope that there'd be 14 teams, not that there are 14 teams already. Just FYI
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd love to play again this season, but I'm not sure if I'm too good for it or not. I haven't played since the previous season but I went 12-0 there. No clue what my iccup rank would be. If I'm allowed I'd love to play for TAKK again.
Check your skype.
I can attest to that firsthand. Last edit: 2012-07-06 03:06:47 |
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| Sentenal United States. July 06 2012 03:11. Posts 6344 | Profile Blog # |
| It didn't work because no one was ever punished for it. |
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| Rlentless Canada. July 06 2012 03:23. Posts 233 | Profile # |
| Damn, I wish the times are different. I really want to participate. =/ |
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| Nagisama Canada. July 06 2012 03:28. Posts 1868 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 03:23 Rlentless wrote:
Damn, I wish the times are different. I really want to participate. =/
Well, with pre-made lineups ahead of time, you can always try to reschedule your games. Even if they're 1-2 days before default game day. |
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| George_the_man July 06 2012 03:52. Posts 759 | Profile # |
| pre made lineups ... plz give it a try they were awesome Last edit: 2012-07-06 06:44:29 |
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| Kal_rA United States. July 06 2012 04:42. Posts 2444 | Profile Blog # |
| How bout you require team captains to decide the lineup for next week when they submit their results for this week (like both at the same time).. Always thinking one week again. Gives people time to practice and gauntness a line up / allows fore rescheds if needed.. |
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| Skeggaba Korea (South). July 06 2012 05:02. Posts 1509 | Profile Blog # |
Crazyhorse you crazy basterd! Im semi back from retirement, hope we can play some games some time!
As for the IMBA-issue: Maybe there could be a gentlemans agreement on that the best players of each team always plays set 4 and 5?
We have a pretty stacked team, but im probably not even going to play another games so no worries about me crushing. I also suck harder than ever these days ^^ |
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| ninini Sweden. July 06 2012 05:15. Posts 1181 | Profile # |
For me it isn't a huge deal when the lineups are released (although the earlier the better), but mainly for rescheduling purposes it would probably be best if they got released a few days ahead.
I think to prevent last seasons problems we need clearer deadlines. Nikon accomodated a lot for the teams with late lineups last season, which gave him a lot more work and delayed the lineups for the teams that sent their lineups in time, but he doesn't have to do that. Let's say that the deadline is 20:00 CET wednesday. Then Nikon could look at his mail at 20:05 and write down all lineups, and for any lineup that's missing, he just takes their lineup from the week before, and that lineup would be final. Whether that lineup would work doesn't matter, because if they can't find someone who is active enough to send in a lineup, they're in trouble either way.
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| Nagisama Canada. July 06 2012 05:21. Posts 1868 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 05:15 ninini wrote:
For me it isn't a huge deal when the lineups are released (although the earlier the better), but mainly for rescheduling purposes it would probably be best if they got released a few days ahead.
I think to prevent last seasons problems we need clearer deadlines. Nikon accomodated a lot for the teams with late lineups last season, which gave him a lot more work and delayed the lineups for the teams that sent their lineups in time, but he doesn't have to do that. Let's say that the deadline is 20:00 CET wednesday. Then Nikon could look at his mail at 20:05 and write down all lineups, and for any lineup that's missing, he just takes their lineup from the week before, and that lineup would be final. Whether that lineup would work doesn't matter, because if they can't find someone who is active enough to send in a lineup, they're in trouble either way.
That sounds like a pretty good idea. And on the off chance one of the players from the previous week is unable to play entirely or something, at least the rest of the teams know, and can sort it out themselves if the captain is unavailable. |
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| Birdie New Zealand. July 06 2012 07:19. Posts 1234 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 05:15 ninini wrote:
For me it isn't a huge deal when the lineups are released (although the earlier the better), but mainly for rescheduling purposes it would probably be best if they got released a few days ahead.
I think to prevent last seasons problems we need clearer deadlines. Nikon accomodated a lot for the teams with late lineups last season, which gave him a lot more work and delayed the lineups for the teams that sent their lineups in time, but he doesn't have to do that. Let's say that the deadline is 20:00 CET wednesday. Then Nikon could look at his mail at 20:05 and write down all lineups, and for any lineup that's missing, he just takes their lineup from the week before, and that lineup would be final. Whether that lineup would work doesn't matter, because if they can't find someone who is active enough to send in a lineup, they're in trouble either way.
I also support this. As a team captain I'll always want to have my lineup sent on time and can't imagine why someone would be a captain without having the ability to preplan their schedule to fit in sending a lineup. |
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| Cpt.beefy Ireland. July 06 2012 09:22. Posts 635 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 03:02 Sentenal wrote:
Having no-preset match-ups pretty much prevents the possibility for rescheduling.
Last time I think things were too leniant for lazy captains not submitting lineups. If they submit a late lineup, make them start at -2 points when the match starts, period. In my experience with leagues like this, submitting a lineup isn't hard at all. I can't imagine why any captain would have a legitimate reason to not submit a lineup by the deadline.
this is fact,
Late line-ups should be punished hard |
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