| Sundownerr Canada. July 02 2012 18:06. Posts 3 | Profile # |
TLDR: I have 3 accounts. One in silver, one in platinum, one in high diamond/low masters. my win rate is ~50% on all 3 accounts without changing my play any. explanations?
I''ve been a platinum player pretty much since launch, not being super committed to the game but playing probably 10 games or so a week, with a couple 2+ month long periods of no play.
I decided to make a smurf account (mostly just to play with less pressure of screwing up), so i used my brothers (who doesnt play anymore) account and bombed him down to bronze-silverish MMR.
I've since abandoned the "play very casually and try different builds etc" use of the smurf account and over about 100 games I cannot get out of silver. My win ratio is a solid 50% and it would seem i belong in silver.
I switch to my main and play for a few days in high platinum and finish after about 50 games with a 50% win ratio.
I just thought it was weird that I was playing my best on both accounts, yet I am 2 leagues apart with them.
I made used yet another account (my inactive friends this time) who has historically been in low masters - high diamond.
I grind out 50 or so games on this account to find again that I have about a 50% win ratio playing diamond and low masters players.
I am completely stumped. The only pattern I can think of is that the losses on the lower silver account more often come from cheesy play whereas I more often feel I've been legitimately outplayed on the diamond account.
each account now has over 100 games played and the win ratio's on all 3 all hover around 50%.
Can anybody come up with an explanation?
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| pycho Paraguay. July 02 2012 18:07. Posts 372 | Profile # |
| you have multiple personalities or the blizzard system doesnt work Last edit: 2012-07-02 18:07:46 |
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| TigerKarl July 02 2012 18:08. Posts 1491 | Profile # | |
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| Meff Italy. July 02 2012 18:08. Posts 278 | Profile # |
| EDIT: nevermind, I had misunderstood the question Last edit: 2012-07-02 18:09:37 |
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| Lunares United States. July 02 2012 18:09. Posts 905 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 18:06 Sundownerr wrote:
TLDR: I have 3 accounts. One in silver, one in platinum, one in high diamond/low masters. my win rate is ~50% on all 3 accounts without changing my play any. explanations?
I''ve been a platinum player pretty much since launch, not being super committed to the game but playing probably 10 games or so a week, with a couple 2+ month long periods of no play.
I decided to make a smurf account (mostly just to play with less pressure of screwing up), so i used my brothers (who doesnt play anymore) account and bombed him down to bronze-silverish MMR.
I've since abandoned the "play very casually and try different builds etc" use of the smurf account and over about 100 games I cannot get out of silver. My win ratio is a solid 50% and it would seem i belong in silver.
I switch to my main and play for a few days in high platinum and finish after about 50 games with a 50% win ratio.
I just thought it was weird that I was playing my best on both accounts, yet I am 2 leagues apart with them.
I made used yet another account (my inactive friends this time) who has historically been in low masters - high diamond.
I grind out 50 or so games on this account to find again that I have about a 50% win ratio playing diamond and low masters players.
I am completely stumped. The only pattern I can think of is that the losses on the lower silver account more often come from cheesy play whereas I more often feel I've been legitimately outplayed on the diamond account.
each account now has over 100 games played and the win ratio's on all 3 all hover around 50%.
Can anybody come up with an explanation?
You lose too much to cheese and aren't very good at defending it. The cheese that is in silver is very different from diamond/masters. To move up/down leagues you need to move your MMR quite a bit, if you keep losing to players with lower MMR than you since they just cheese you then the system won't recognize that you can actually play better and won't move you up.
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| baudusau Germany. July 02 2012 18:12. Posts 57 | Profile # | |
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| dartoo India. July 02 2012 18:12. Posts 2252 | Profile # |
Fifty games is kinda low, for the game to estimate how much you've fallen/risen, especially when the account was already used They give you some flexibility in the mmr, that allows you to win/lose a bit more and not get promoted/demoted.
There is a certain level of overlap between leagues, and perhaps if you play a bit more, you might get promoted/demoted to where you are supposed to be. Plus within fifty games, there maybe some smurfs who are not playing on their level that might have influenced your mmr to not drop rise to the point where it's supposed to be. I think maybe if you play more games on each account we might have a better picture.
What is low maters/high diamond? your either masters or diamond. So I'm guessing your friend was diamond who plays low masters on the ladder, but doesnt win that often. So now if you check your opponents they are probably lower diamonds, or worse.Last edit: 2012-07-02 18:17:57 |
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| Zeevo July 02 2012 18:14. Posts 143 | Profile # |
| There is no explanation for this. I can't this of one reason that this is possible |
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| Hyperionnn Turkey. July 02 2012 18:14. Posts 4878 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 18:12 baudusau wrote:
worst liar ever
Yeah, if you are really %50 at low masters, you will easily stomp silver guys, maybe you will lose a game in 100 games or something
Care to post your accounts sc2ranks links?Last edit: 2012-07-02 18:15:25 |
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| Netsky Australia. July 02 2012 18:15. Posts 1104 | Profile # |
At first glance the fact you are losing in the lower leagues suggests that your scouting and reaction to cheese using safe builds is what is keeping you at ~50%.
As they say, you're only as good as your weakest link - you're a Silver leaguer. |
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| Greenei Germany. July 02 2012 18:16. Posts 802 | Profile # |
| play more, so you see if youll get demoted or promoted. it might be that you jsut had weaker oponents with the higher ranked accounts. also you just state, that you have about 50% without providing actual numbers. Last edit: 2012-07-02 18:16:39 |
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| scph Korea (South). July 02 2012 18:22. Posts 260 | Profile # |
I'm finding this hard to believe. Believable if accounts were on different servers.
Or...the matchmaking really is fucked. |
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| Morfildur Germany. July 02 2012 18:23. Posts 3536 | Profile Blog # |
| - deleted - Last edit: 2012-07-02 18:24:13 |
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| zezamer Finland. July 02 2012 18:24. Posts 1805 | Profile # | |
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. July 02 2012 18:27. Posts 5355 | Profile Blog # |
| yeah, pics or didnt happen. I also had a smurf acc, it was in silver or gold, i got my mmr to where i actually should have had it in a few days. So sorry, i have to call bullshit on this one, if you indeed have 3 accounts in 3 different leagues, you surely play differently on them |
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| VidyaYuropa July 02 2012 18:28. Posts 86 | Profile Blog # |
| maybe if you go 3 Nexus before gate in every game (or the equivalent of the other races), you will stomp people who dont cheese you. |
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| OnFiRe888 United States. July 02 2012 18:29. Posts 626 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 18:07 pycho wrote:
you have multiple personalities or the blizzard system doesnt work
I actually do think it is a little bit of this. I mean, maybe on your silver account, you feel less pressured, so you play a little bit more relaxed (still trying to win), but relaxed, causing you to let your guard down, etc. However on your main you feel more of this pressure and play even "tighter" than on your silver account. And on your high diamond account, you feel very much obligated to keep your mmr and play your absolute best and keep that mmr.
OR
You first started laddering on your silver, and got better. Then you played on your plat account, got better, and now you're good enough to be competing against diamonds, so now you do decently on your diamond account.
All seems like a brainteaser to me lol. |
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| Roachu Sweden. July 02 2012 18:30. Posts 518 | Profile # |
My guess is you get cheesed a lot in lower leagues but you have mechanics to beat them and in high diamond you have no idea what you're really trying to do and lose 50/50 because of that.
Or you can be like me and my friends who never play sober and dip up and down between wood league and high diamond quality. |
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| Bojas Netherlands. July 02 2012 18:31. Posts 1429 | Profile # |
Please post replays of your main and then some of your silver account - I cannot imagine a high dia/low master ever losing to a silver player. Not even their cheese.
This just isn't possible unless the level of your opponents is similair across your accounts. Which would mean the system is fucked up. So replays please :D. |
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| Ordien Denmark. July 02 2012 18:33. Posts 34 | Profile # | |
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