| Scheme United Kingdom. July 08 2012 14:15. Posts 203 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 14:13 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:10 Xxio wrote:
I feel a little bad for Sonnen. The spinning back fist makes me cringe.
flashbacks to lesnar tripping himself up and getting beat up 10 seconds later D=
I hate stuff like this because it looks so ridiculous and makes me suspect the integrity of the fight.
o.0
I think people under estimate how hard this fighter can actually hit...so I wouldn't call it a fix just yet. I by just yet, I mean never. |
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| StarStruck July 08 2012 14:15. Posts 18303 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:11 absalom86 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:51 Praetor_Art wrote:
To get bones in the same division as Silva would be a lot of sufering for Jon, since he already said hes closer to moving up in the weight than down. Anyway, the leg cutting could work =P.
Um, chances are Silva would go up and not the other way around considering you know... he says he walks around at 220lbs which sounds like a little bit of a stretch but he had no problems at 205. Don't need to meet midway.
You do realize Jones is huge for LHW ? He cuts weight to get down there and is way larger than most of his opponents, that are natural LHW's. People don't fight at their normal weight, they always cut down, the more you can cut the bigger advantage you gain. Jones will be a heavyweight very soon, he won't be able to make the LHW cut forever as he is still building muscle.
No shit? Doesn't change the fact they would have no problem fighting one another at that weight. Jones technically has the advantage because of his frame against anyone at 205.
Still the chances of it happening are highly unlikely. |
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 EvilTeletubby Baltimore, USA. July 08 2012 14:15. Posts 21020 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 13:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 13:47 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:45 absalom86 wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:43 aogmxctm wrote:
really stupid to throw the knee in that situation.
It ended the fight, how could it possibly be a bad situation ?
I think he obviously means because it could very easily lead to a DQ when his win was pretty much a given at that point anyways
? How was it his win at that point? Only thing that happened up to that point was that chael tripped himself and fell. Pretty sure that knee won him the fight and crippled chael into being defenseless.
Chael completely failed to takedown in round 2, made a ridiculously horribad desperation move, and was sitting with his back to the cage against a fully standing and in control Silva... even without the knee I don't think it was going to last much longer. Odds still say he shouldn't have thrown the knee. |
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| Itsmedudeman United States. July 08 2012 14:17. Posts 8484 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 14:15 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:11 absalom86 wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:51 Praetor_Art wrote:
To get bones in the same division as Silva would be a lot of sufering for Jon, since he already said hes closer to moving up in the weight than down. Anyway, the leg cutting could work =P.
Um, chances are Silva would go up and not the other way around considering you know... he says he walks around at 220lbs which sounds like a little bit of a stretch but he had no problems at 205. Don't need to meet midway.
You do realize Jones is huge for LHW ? He cuts weight to get down there and is way larger than most of his opponents, that are natural LHW's. People don't fight at their normal weight, they always cut down, the more you can cut the bigger advantage you gain. Jones will be a heavyweight very soon, he won't be able to make the LHW cut forever as he is still building muscle.
No shit? Doesn't change the fact they would have no problem fighting one another at that weight. Jones technically has the advantage because of his frame against anyone at 205. Still the chances of it happening are highly unlikely.
I think silva wouldn't be interested most likely. They never really thought about matching him up to shogun seriously back when he had the belt either. In any case, idk about super fights like these. Silva is on his way out to retirement I'm sure, while jones is still young. If silva loses it taints his legacy, if jones loses then it taints his because he'll never get a rematch in his lifetime. |
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| absalom86 Iceland. July 08 2012 14:19. Posts 1714 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:15 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:11 absalom86 wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:51 Praetor_Art wrote:
To get bones in the same division as Silva would be a lot of sufering for Jon, since he already said hes closer to moving up in the weight than down. Anyway, the leg cutting could work =P.
Um, chances are Silva would go up and not the other way around considering you know... he says he walks around at 220lbs which sounds like a little bit of a stretch but he had no problems at 205. Don't need to meet midway.
You do realize Jones is huge for LHW ? He cuts weight to get down there and is way larger than most of his opponents, that are natural LHW's. People don't fight at their normal weight, they always cut down, the more you can cut the bigger advantage you gain. Jones will be a heavyweight very soon, he won't be able to make the LHW cut forever as he is still building muscle.
No shit? Doesn't change the fact they would have no problem fighting one another at that weight. Jones technically has the advantage because of his frame against anyone at 205. Still the chances of it happening are highly unlikely.
Could happen, sure. JDS and BJ penn could fight too at a catchweight. Is it viable and fair to both fighters ? These are people's careers, 1 loss can put a huge damper on your life. |
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| ROOTT1 Canada. July 08 2012 14:19. Posts 5623 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 14:07 Quotidian wrote:better gif from the joe rogan board ![[image loading]](http://h9.abload.de/img/untitled-8n7yn5.gif) it looks more like it was going down to the chest (not the solar plexus by any means)
yea from that angle the knee clearly hits his chest and his thigh connects to his chin, thats why it looked like a knee to the face |
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| Wayra July 08 2012 14:19. Posts 171 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 14:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:12 Wayra wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:08 Scheme wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Lmao if the knee hit him in the head chael would be whining tremendously right now. We'll see what he says in the post conference, but this is the guy who tried to play off the last fight as though he didn't tap remember? At least until he saw himself in the replay and knew he couldn't get away with it.
Currently he is not whining about the vaseline and the shorts grabbing either, and an athlete complaining or not complaining should never be the difference.
The vaseline got wiped to be fair and he had no problem taking silva down in the 1st.
Vaseline doesn't even help Anderson I'd say that is more beneficial to Chael, so it doesn't really matter for the fight whether it got removed or not. If it hadn't gotten wiped Anderson would still be the same guy who put it on, though. The guy who put it on GSP was fired, btw.
I recall it was phil nurse who put it on GSP, and he is still working in jackson's camp last time I checked.
I should have said removed from the UFC.
What do you mean by "removed from the UFC". Like I said, he works in Greg Jackson's camp.
Do you mean he is not allowed to come to the UFC? |
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| StarStruck July 08 2012 14:20. Posts 18303 | Profile # |
That's why I say the chances of it happening are highly unlikely.
It's only a dream match man. Nothing more; nothing less.
I'm sure many people would want to see it. |
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| absalom86 Iceland. July 08 2012 14:20. Posts 1714 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:15 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:11 absalom86 wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:51 Praetor_Art wrote:
To get bones in the same division as Silva would be a lot of sufering for Jon, since he already said hes closer to moving up in the weight than down. Anyway, the leg cutting could work =P.
Um, chances are Silva would go up and not the other way around considering you know... he says he walks around at 220lbs which sounds like a little bit of a stretch but he had no problems at 205. Don't need to meet midway.
You do realize Jones is huge for LHW ? He cuts weight to get down there and is way larger than most of his opponents, that are natural LHW's. People don't fight at their normal weight, they always cut down, the more you can cut the bigger advantage you gain. Jones will be a heavyweight very soon, he won't be able to make the LHW cut forever as he is still building muscle.
No shit? Doesn't change the fact they would have no problem fighting one another at that weight. Jones technically has the advantage because of his frame against anyone at 205. Still the chances of it happening are highly unlikely.
I think silva wouldn't be interested most likely. They never really thought about matching him up to shogun seriously back when he had the belt either. In any case, idk about super fights like these. Silva is on his way out to retirement I'm sure, while jones is still young. If silva loses it taints his legacy, if jones loses then it taints his because he'll never get a rematch in his lifetime.
Silva is a guy that cares about his legacy as well. He talks about it in pretty much every interview ( quickly followed by a clip of Sonnen making jokes about it ). |
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| Liquid`Nazgul Administrator July 08 2012 14:21. | Profile Blog # |
| UFC will have to pay ridiculous money to have Anderson go and fight Jones. That's the worst matchup possible Jones is a different animal compared to Chael. Anderson's legacy is well cemented at 185 but getting crushed by Jones can tarnish it. Let's say with all that he has done in the sport he is at 99% success and fighting Jones can only bring it to 100% a difference not even noticeable for most fans. If he loses it for example brings his reputation down to 80% for casual fans. I just can't ever see him agreeing to that. Middleweight is so weak Anderson can easily defend his belt a few more times against non-Sonnen opponents and just retire undefeated in the UFC. |
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| Quotidian Norway. July 08 2012 14:21. Posts 1626 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:19 ROOTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:07 Quotidian wrote:better gif from the joe rogan board it looks more like it was going down to the chest (not the solar plexus by any means)
yea from that angle the knee clearly hits his chest and his thigh connects to his chin, thats why it looked like a knee to the face
but just look at how easily Silva avoids that elbow.. what the hell was Sonnen thinking? I have a feeling he was thinking "I quit, let's get this over with." |
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| StarStruck July 08 2012 14:23. Posts 18303 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:20 absalom86 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:15 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:11 absalom86 wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:51 Praetor_Art wrote:
To get bones in the same division as Silva would be a lot of sufering for Jon, since he already said hes closer to moving up in the weight than down. Anyway, the leg cutting could work =P.
Um, chances are Silva would go up and not the other way around considering you know... he says he walks around at 220lbs which sounds like a little bit of a stretch but he had no problems at 205. Don't need to meet midway.
You do realize Jones is huge for LHW ? He cuts weight to get down there and is way larger than most of his opponents, that are natural LHW's. People don't fight at their normal weight, they always cut down, the more you can cut the bigger advantage you gain. Jones will be a heavyweight very soon, he won't be able to make the LHW cut forever as he is still building muscle.
No shit? Doesn't change the fact they would have no problem fighting one another at that weight. Jones technically has the advantage because of his frame against anyone at 205. Still the chances of it happening are highly unlikely.
I think silva wouldn't be interested most likely. They never really thought about matching him up to shogun seriously back when he had the belt either. In any case, idk about super fights like these. Silva is on his way out to retirement I'm sure, while jones is still young. If silva loses it taints his legacy, if jones loses then it taints his because he'll never get a rematch in his lifetime.
Silva is a guy that cares about his legacy as well. He talks about it in pretty much every interview ( quickly followed by a clip of Sonnen making jokes about it ).
Bones does too. He wants to cement his legacy. |
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| Itsmedudeman United States. July 08 2012 14:23. Posts 8484 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 14:20 absalom86 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:15 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:11 absalom86 wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:58 StarStruck wrote:
On July 08 2012 13:51 Praetor_Art wrote:
To get bones in the same division as Silva would be a lot of sufering for Jon, since he already said hes closer to moving up in the weight than down. Anyway, the leg cutting could work =P.
Um, chances are Silva would go up and not the other way around considering you know... he says he walks around at 220lbs which sounds like a little bit of a stretch but he had no problems at 205. Don't need to meet midway.
You do realize Jones is huge for LHW ? He cuts weight to get down there and is way larger than most of his opponents, that are natural LHW's. People don't fight at their normal weight, they always cut down, the more you can cut the bigger advantage you gain. Jones will be a heavyweight very soon, he won't be able to make the LHW cut forever as he is still building muscle.
No shit? Doesn't change the fact they would have no problem fighting one another at that weight. Jones technically has the advantage because of his frame against anyone at 205. Still the chances of it happening are highly unlikely.
I think silva wouldn't be interested most likely. They never really thought about matching him up to shogun seriously back when he had the belt either. In any case, idk about super fights like these. Silva is on his way out to retirement I'm sure, while jones is still young. If silva loses it taints his legacy, if jones loses then it taints his because he'll never get a rematch in his lifetime.
Silva is a guy that cares about his legacy as well. He talks about it in pretty much every interview ( quickly followed by a clip of Sonnen making jokes about it ).
Well, all I can say was that there was more to it than just machida being a friend of his that silva didn't move up in weight. There were too many bad matchups for silva at 205, and that includes jones who is much bigger than chael. |
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| absalom86 Iceland. July 08 2012 14:24. Posts 1714 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
UFC will have to pay ridiculous money to have Anderson go and fight Jones. That's the worst matchup possible Jones is a different animal compared to Chael. Anderson's legacy is well cemented at 185 but getting crushed by Jones can tarnish it. Let's say with all that he has done in the sport he is at 99% success and fighting Jones can only bring it to 100% a difference not even noticeable for most fans. If he loses it for example brings his reputation down to 80% for casual fans. I just can't ever see him agreeing to that. Middleweight is so weak Anderson can easily defend his belt a few more times against non-Sonnen opponents and just retire undefeated in the UFC.
To be honest the fight would be over so quick. Bones is wayyyyy bigger than Anderson, and he's a solid wrestler ( Aka Silva kryptonite ). |
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| StarStruck July 08 2012 14:24. Posts 18303 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
UFC will have to pay ridiculous money to have Anderson go and fight Jones. That's the worst matchup possible Jones is a different animal compared to Chael. Anderson's legacy is well cemented at 185 but getting crushed by Jones can tarnish it. Let's say with all that he has done in the sport he is at 99% success and fighting Jones can only bring it to 100% a difference not even noticeable for most fans. If he loses it for example brings his reputation down to 80% for casual fans. I just can't ever see him agreeing to that. Middleweight is so weak Anderson can easily defend his belt a few more times against non-Sonnen opponents and just retire undefeated in the UFC.
Yup, if there's a guy who would beat him. I think Jones would be the go to guy to do it. |
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| absalom86 Iceland. July 08 2012 14:27. Posts 1714 | Profile # |
| I don't think Sonnen should even have been fighting this fight ( although it was a much more fun matchup ) since he lost his last fight before this one to Bisping by pretty much everyone's standards. |
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| Praetor_Art Brazil. July 08 2012 14:29. Posts 9 | Profile # |
| Cigano could beat Silva too, as a lot of people prob could on the Heavyweights, which is what Jones is to me. lol |
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| hugedong United States. July 08 2012 14:30. Posts 509 | Profile # |
| Don't understand all this illegal knee talk. From the replay it clearly shows a knee to the chest. If that knee hit the jaw Chael wouldn't have been able to cover up because he would be out for a while. |
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| instantdry Canada. July 08 2012 14:30. Posts 289 | Profile # |
| Anderson can't be the greatest of all time unless he beats Jones. Then I'll be a fan for life. |
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| ROOTT1 Canada. July 08 2012 14:31. Posts 5623 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 14:21 Quotidian wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:19 ROOTT1 wrote:
On July 08 2012 14:07 Quotidian wrote:better gif from the joe rogan board it looks more like it was going down to the chest (not the solar plexus by any means)
yea from that angle the knee clearly hits his chest and his thigh connects to his chin, thats why it looked like a knee to the face
but just look at how easily Silva avoids that elbow.. what the hell was Sonnen thinking? I have a feeling he was thinking "I quit, let's get this over with."
dunno and tbh i could care less about it, i always give the benefit of the doubt to the fighters because its their profession, they wouldnt do things that theyre not comfortable with in a fight. it kinda reminds of when sc2 casters criticise players for doing a certain build without having any inside information
that being said it was really funny to watch lolLast edit: 2012-07-08 14:32:31 |
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