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| Semmo Korea (South). July 04 2012 19:13. Posts 398 | Profile # |
[M] (2) Virtual Battle
Playable: 136x128
Published in KR (가상 전투) and US
Virtual Computerish - themed 1v1 map.
Some features are choosable thirds, island-y bases, and bridges (bridge is not buildable)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z6AGL.jpg)
Pretty Pictures:
+ Show Spoiler +Last edit: 2012-07-08 16:31:42 |
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| KapsyL Sweden. July 04 2012 20:33. Posts 481 | Profile # |
oh man, this looks so fun ! i really like the whole virtual style
i like that there are so many attackpaths but i wonder if the thirds might be too hard to take with them both being on lowground
in ZvT i could see a issue with tanks on so many diffrent levels (high/low grounds) but i also feel this might be very good map for alot of flanking so it might just not be a issue with tanks at all. looks great anyway good job ! |
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| PandaZerg Canada. July 04 2012 22:36. Posts 148 | Profile # |
looks funny!
Personally, I would try to reduce path distance between NAt and third.Last edit: 2012-07-04 22:36:52 |
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| .... thats ... so ... trippy.... |
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| Inside.Out Canada. July 04 2012 23:49. Posts 552 | Profile Blog # | |
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| NewSunshine United States. July 05 2012 00:32. Posts 1014 | Profile # |
sup? ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339069
Anyway, to the layout:
The forward 3rd's are a bit suicidal, if both players try to take it, they are going to be sooooo close to each other. Horizontal spawns on Entombed Valley are hated primarily for this reason, so I don't see much reason to choose it as a 3rd base. Also, why has it only got 1 geyser? Other than that, I feel there are a lot of choke points, at every point on the map, without very many wide open areas. It seems to me that a Protoss deathball would have no problem moving out to attack, since there's always a choke to make for a favorable engagement. I think the map would be made better if you were to pull the 2 3rd bases closer to the main, it would make them better options overall, and there would be some room to expand the width of certain attack paths, since that might be a problem as well. Have you gotten the analyzer to work? That would help. On a side note, I like the dead-end base. The one near your main is actually easier to hold for the opponent, so harassment becomes more encouraged that way. Keep that feature for sure.
These last 2 points are less crucial, but 1, the map really has no aesthetics. I've tried using force field walls like you have, but to do it properly takes a lot of work. In the map I linked to above, they're used with invisible LoS blockers, so consider that, but more importantly try to come up with a more cohesive theme. Like I said, this isn't so important, just something to think about. 2, the mineral lines look a bit strange, perhaps repeated a lot as well. Again, not important, just something to pick up along the way. |
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| Skyblueone Belgium. July 05 2012 01:09. Posts 53 | Profile # |
| Please when you do such awsome maps, put them also on the EU server. |
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| algue France. July 05 2012 01:22. Posts 653 | Profile # |
On July 05 2012 00:32 NewSunshine wrote:sup? ^^ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339069Anyway, to the layout: The forward 3rd's are a bit suicidal, if both players try to take it, they are going to be sooooo close to each other. Horizontal spawns on Entombed Valley are hated primarily for this reason, so I don't see much reason to choose it as a 3rd base. Also, why has it only got 1 geyser? Other than that, I feel there are a lot of choke points, at every point on the map, without very many wide open areas. It seems to me that a Protoss deathball would have no problem moving out to attack, since there's always a choke to make for a favorable engagement. I think the map would be made better if you were to pull the 2 3rd bases closer to the main, it would make them better options overall, and there would be some room to expand the width of certain attack paths, since that might be a problem as well. Have you gotten the analyzer to work? That would help. On a side note, I like the dead-end base. The one near your main is actually easier to hold for the opponent, so harassment becomes more encouraged that way. Keep that feature for sure.
This is insignificant, it's would be nice to see players/metagame adapting to the map and not the map adapting to the players/metagame
I'm tired of watching the same games on map which are alike ( 3rd easy to get and stuff ) and players that are able to change their style would be rewarded in front of monobuild playersLast edit: 2012-07-05 01:24:54 |
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| NewSunshine United States. July 05 2012 01:40. Posts 1014 | Profile # |
On July 05 2012 01:22 algue wrote:
This is insignificant, it's would be nice to see players/metagame adapting to the map and not the map adapting to the players/metagame
I'm tired of watching the same games on map which are alike ( 3rd easy to get and stuff ) and players that are able to change their style would be rewarded in front of monobuild players
There needs to be adaptation on both sides. It would of course be completely absurd to make a map with no conventional features and say "hey, live with it". This is perhaps its own debate, all I really have a problem with is the extremely short distance between the center bases, which could stand to be shortened. This doesn't have anything to with the metagame or adaptation, but rather making it so it's not a winner's base, which really adds nothing to gameplay.
I like the map, it's got potential, but it's got some things which need changing to make it a serious contender. Just trying to help here. |
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| Syphon8 Canada. July 05 2012 01:42. Posts 190 | Profile # |
| I have no idea how you did these aesthetics, but as for the layout; it's a wee bit too choked up. I don't think Z would be able to effectively hold the areas of the map they need to before Hive tech. |
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| Existor Russian Federation. July 05 2012 01:43. Posts 3123 | Profile # |
Change day time to hight and will be more awesome  |
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| Semmo Korea (South). July 05 2012 10:43. Posts 398 | Profile # |
On July 04 2012 20:33 KapsyL wrote:
oh man, this looks so fun ! i really like the whole virtual style
i like that there are so many attackpaths but i wonder if the thirds might be too hard to take with them both being on lowground
in ZvT i could see a issue with tanks on so many diffrent levels (high/low grounds) but i also feel this might be very good map for alot of flanking so it might just not be a issue with tanks at all. looks great anyway good job !
Thanks for the feedback - Whenever I make a conventional map, I want to make the theme unconventional.
I might make the aggressive third on the same ground as the center.
I thought about that about the third and so thats why i made 3 entrances to it, so it would be less effective - but we'll see.
On July 04 2012 22:36 PandaZerg wrote:
looks funny!
Personally, I would try to reduce path distance between NAt and third.
Yeah, the reason why it's like that is because i wanted the main to be impervious to blink. I might change that and make everything compact, hence close diet from nat to third.
On July 04 2012 23:23 Plexa wrote:
.... thats ... so ... trippy....
Yeah man.
On July 04 2012 23:49 EcstatiC wrote:
woah awesome
Your username agrees.
On July 05 2012 00:32 NewSunshine wrote:sup? ^^ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339069Anyway, to the layout: The forward 3rd's are a bit suicidal, if both players try to take it, they are going to be sooooo close to each other. Horizontal spawns on Entombed Valley are hated primarily for this reason, so I don't see much reason to choose it as a 3rd base. Also, why has it only got 1 geyser? Other than that, I feel there are a lot of choke points, at every point on the map, without very many wide open areas. It seems to me that a Protoss deathball would have no problem moving out to attack, since there's always a choke to make for a favorable engagement. I think the map would be made better if you were to pull the 2 3rd bases closer to the main, it would make them better options overall, and there would be some room to expand the width of certain attack paths, since that might be a problem as well. Have you gotten the analyzer to work? That would help. On a side note, I like the dead-end base. The one near your main is actually easier to hold for the opponent, so harassment becomes more encouraged that way. Keep that feature for sure. These last 2 points are less crucial, but 1, the map really has no aesthetics. I've tried using force field walls like you have, but to do it properly takes a lot of work. In the map I linked to above, they're used with invisible LoS blockers, so consider that, but more importantly try to come up with a more cohesive theme. Like I said, this isn't so important, just something to think about. 2, the mineral lines look a bit strange, perhaps repeated a lot as well. Again, not important, just something to pick up along the way.
Uh why are you advertising your map? I didn't use forcefield walls like you did, I edited the data so now it looks quite different from the original wall - the animation is not there too. Forward 3rd is not suicidal - you actually expand in the attack path, so if you PF it up there, you can defend more easily.
Yeah I wanted to have dead end bases for sure. I think the theme is fine - it's very consistent, I feel anyways. it's suppose to look simple, but I might add some other things. Easier defensive third, sure. I'll look into that.
On July 05 2012 01:09 Skyblueone wrote:
Please when you do such awsome maps, put them also on the EU server.
I don't have a EU server account  . Perhaps you could publish it, haha.
This is insignificant, it's would be nice to see players/metagame adapting to the map and not the map adapting to the players/metagame
I'm tired of watching the same games on map which are alike ( 3rd easy to get and stuff ) and players that are able to change their style would be rewarded in front of monobuild players
Yeah, I wanted the main and the natural to be defended easily and the third to be a little harder - but I guess that might just break the metagame.
There needs to be adaptation on both sides. It would of course be completely absurd to make a map with no conventional features and say "hey, live with it". This is perhaps its own debate, all I really have a problem with is the extremely short distance between the center bases, which could stand to be shortened. This doesn't have anything to with the metagame or adaptation, but rather making it so it's not a winner's base, which really adds nothing to gameplay.
I like the map, it's got potential, but it's got some things which need changing to make it a serious contender. Just trying to help here.
The center bases are not THAT close together - and hey why not? the bases act as a zone, so you have to take alternate attack paths. In TvZ for example, if you take a forward third, you can secure one attack path, forcing zerg to go to the other two.
On July 05 2012 01:42 Syphon8 wrote:
I have no idea how you did these aesthetics, but as for the layout; it's a wee bit too choked up. I don't think Z would be able to effectively hold the areas of the map they need to before Hive tech.
Data, Data my friend.
Yeah I can see it's a bit choky. I'll try to change that.
On July 05 2012 01:43 Existor wrote:Change day time to hight and will be more awesome
Lemme try that. |
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| Qwyn United States. July 05 2012 10:51. Posts 1378 | Profile Blog # |
Very very pretty. I love the layout, especially of the mains.
Also, I second nighttime conversion, lol. |
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| ihasaKAROT Netherlands. July 05 2012 16:00. Posts 3360 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Existor Russian Federation. July 05 2012 16:35. Posts 3123 | Profile # |
On July 05 2012 16:00 ihasaKAROT wrote:
The cube 2, Hypercube!
Nah, Hypercube was all white mostly and sometimes colored with some hi-tech traps. |
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| ihasaKAROT Netherlands. July 05 2012 18:12. Posts 3360 | Profile Blog # |
| Just made me think of it |
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| Rkynick July 05 2012 18:28. Posts 75 | Profile # |
| Middle two expansions will never be taken, I think. |
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| Semmo Korea (South). July 05 2012 22:18. Posts 398 | Profile # |
On July 05 2012 18:28 Rkynick wrote:
Middle two expansions will never be taken, I think.
Has been taken in test games by aggressive terrans. Planetary fortress covers one of the attack paths if you expand at centreLast edit: 2012-07-06 08:40:24 |
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| SigmaFiE United States. July 08 2012 14:51. Posts 287 | Profile Blog # |
Just thought I'd share this test game with you. It is probably not the best game (in fact I am sure it isn't because I was playing -- mad props to Paperboat though as he offraced me with Terran, and than crushed (and I mean I was a piece of paper that he ripped in two) on the next match (different map). Just food for thought -- IMO, if Protoss can get to collosi it will be tough to dealt with due to how the highground pretty consistently runs across the length (southwest to northeast) of the map.
But it is a very fun map. Good job. I'd like you to push the aesthetics a little further as they were pretty repetitive and not in a good way. Just vary it a little bit more.
Paperboat vs Odysseus on Virtual Battle |
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| Semmo Korea (South). July 08 2012 16:16. Posts 398 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 14:51 SigmaFiE wrote:Just thought I'd share this test game with you. It is probably not the best game (in fact I am sure it isn't because I was playing -- mad props to Paperboat though as he offraced me with Terran, and than crushed (and I mean I was a piece of paper that he ripped in two) on the next match (different map). Just food for thought -- IMO, if Protoss can get to collosi it will be tough to dealt with due to how the highground pretty consistently runs across the length (southwest to northeast) of the map. But it is a very fun map. Good job. I'd like you to push the aesthetics a little further as they were pretty repetitive and not in a good way. Just vary it a little bit more. Paperboat vs Odysseus on Virtual Battle
ahh - this is the old version xD but thanks. Yeah I'm not sure what to do with aesthetics, as it has to be in theme, which right now none of the doodads are like that. |
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