• Log In
  • Register
  • Settings
TeamLiquid TeamLiquidPro Liquipedia TSL4 LiquidPoker
EDT 22:09
CEST 04:09
KST 11:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • WCS
  • StarCraft 2
  • Dota 2
  • Brood War
  • WCS Portal
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • Events
  • BarCraft
  • StarCraft 2
  • Dota 2
  • Brood War
  • League of Legends
  • Blogs
Featured News
[SPL] Round 6 Week 3 Revie…
Auction OSL - Ro32 Day 2 P…
Auction OSL - Day 1 Recap …
Auction OSL: Ro32 - Openin…
DH Summer Day 2 Photos
Community News
New Patch - Warp Prism buf…
ESL TV adds Shaun 'Apollo'…
WCS AM Season 2 to be run …
Confirmed Players at the M…
Defiler Tours #60, 61, 62 …
Alliance Wins DreamHack Su…
Major leaving Team 8
C Liquid Team News
Liquid Weekly Digest | June…
Zenio: Razer Replaypack of …
EG-TL vs Team Eight in Roun…
Dreamhack Summer Day 3: Sc2!
Fluff's Photoblog from Drea…
Sponsored Threads
New SC2Links Mobile App …
Gamers Wanted as Volunteer…
TL Advertising Features
C General
Brazilian Protests Thread
[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Gam…
US Politics Megathread
[M] Man of Steel
James Gandolfini Passes …
C TL Community
The Closed Thread Lounge
TL.net Ten Commandments
[Toronto] eSports Canada P…
Happy Birthday Resource Th…
Happy birthday salle!
C Fan Clubs
The Liquid`HerO Fanclub!
The SjoW Fanclub
C User Streams
[Stream] WhalesFromSpace
[Stream] zGt.Bombs
C Tech Support
Mechanical Keyboard Guide
Razer Spectre Review
The Ultimate Headphone/Aud…
Computer Build Resource Th…
DIY Mouse Cord Holder - Ea…
C SC2 General
New Patch - Warp Prism b…
This Week in Starcraft 2
[BarCraft] Has been remo…
UR Gaming acquires Sovie…
[Show] Wednesday Night S…
18 months, 300 hours of …
C SC2 Tourneys
Atlanta $10 Buy in - Winne…
[WCS AM] Group G Challenge…
[HSC] HomeStory Cup VII po…
Numericable M-House Cup 2
[RSL] Ritmix RSL V - Ro32 …
C SC2 Strategy
The HotS Zerg Help Me Thread
CatZ CC first counter - a …
The HotS Protoss Help Me T…
The HotS Terran Help Me Th…
ZvZ Transition Sheet
C Custom Maps
[M] (2) TPW Aldaris Betrayal
[P] Semmo's Map Thread
[M] (2) Crux Haeundae
[M] (4) TPW Roadrunner
[A] Starbow
C Dota 2 General
Guilds Patch
BlackBerry sponsors Virt…
General Discussion
Chinese Gov't to sponsor…
Inhouse Dota
DotA 2 Team Recruitment …
C Dota 2 Tourneys
Liquid Pasture Community L…
RaidCall EMS One Americas …
Dota 2 General LR thread
[DreamHack] ASUS ROG Tourn…
Gamers Affect Dota 2 Tourn…
C Dota 2 Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple A…
[G] Dark Seer, the master …
On the stomping of pubs
Does Visage deserve to be …
Learning Weaver?
C BW General
[TLS2 Ro16 Predictions]
Nada's Body
"Your connection to Batt…
No LAN ? O_o
[SOSPA] Event Matches
New Launcher for ICC and…
C BW Tourneys
Defiler Tours #60, 61, 62 …
[CRTL] Finals: C Entus vs …
[DRTL] All-Star Game
China vs Korea: Movie vs F…
C Ranks Teamleague Season 1
C BW Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple A…
DragOn's BW strategy reboot
Practice Partner Thread
Tutorial videos for beginn…
C Sports & Games
FINALLY! - The 2013 NHL …
Scrolls by Mojang is in …
The XBox One
2013 NBA Finals
Path of Exile
C League of Legends
[Patch 3.08: Aatrox Patch]…
[PSA] TeamLiquid LoL Pens,…
The Shikyo Memorial for QQ…
C LoL Tourneys
[NA LCS] Summer Week 2
[OGN] Champions Summer Qua…
[AMD-INVEN]GamExperience
C LoL Strategy
[Tricks] Warding
[Champion] Diana
Simple Questions, Simple A…
C Diablo 3
D3 Hardcore Community
The: What is my item worth?
Diablo 3 Coming to Xbox 36…
C TL Mafia
Roulette Mini Mafia
ESPORTS Mafia (streamed ma…
Active List of Mafia Games
C Health & Fitness
Olympic Weightlifting Thread
Running Thread
The 2013 Weightlifting Pro…
C Featured Blogs
Girl with flowers…
Glider
Voice
thedeadhaji
WC3 Power Ranks!
monk
E3 2013
kierpanda
Sketch: Tap Out To…
Raihn
C Blogs
Quod Erat Dem…
Shiverfish
Dreamhack Summer…
Teodice
Theodicy and Mi…
Jerubaal
Les 24 Heures d…
HotShizz
Chilled Gaming M…
DJWilma
ISO Phil…
KING CHARLIE :D
The Grave Tempest…
gaymon
Leta - Movie
Michael - skyline
Anytime - Beast
By.Hero - Shuttle
Anytime - Pusan
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads


IRC Web Chat

TeamSpeak 3 (67 users)


Active: 6228 users

Diablo 3 Level Design Article

Forum Index > Diablo 3
 
 Meerel   Germany. July 06 2012 07:18. Posts 295
Profile # 
hey tl, wrote a little something about level design in d3.
im not sure what to say here, everything is in the google docs:

some stuff is maybe a little bit nitpickish but hey thats my opinion.
have fun

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ux4gE12hyEZjGLxNXcEnh3bh1CLdtpCirnTWfHumnBg/edit
SDMF
Old Post

 
 Phenny   Australia. July 06 2012 09:19. Posts 1400
Profile # 
Static vs randomised locations is a very tricky concept I think.

For example static works really fucking well in titan quest (played through each act probably in the realms of 100 times, it doesnt seem to get boring, at least for me anyway), and randomised worlds worked fine for d2.
But at the end of the day it's just the same bits of world stuck together in different ways anyway, although there was some (small but real) feeling of exploration and what not, personally I dont find it much of a problem in D3. That said I wouldnt mind it be randomised either if people would prefer it (not that it will be changed now though ofc).

I agree strongly that some more quests from townspeople or randomly in the world would be beneficial, while not hugely important on its own it adds to creating the ~atmosphere~ of the world (and ofc just being more enjoyable in general).

Lol my friends and I all refer to it as zerg creep too :')

Act 4 very visually repetitive, 100% agree. I reeeaallly hate timers, but for a certain part of it maybe it would have added something.

Overall I think some good ideas and some other things that are far too minor to worry about (as you state at the end), especially given the current state of the game, all these suggestion vids and documents though I wonder to what extent they will have an impact. Atm I think I'm just filled with false hope things will improve.
Old Post

 
 Meerel   Germany. July 06 2012 20:02. Posts 295
Profile # 
thanks for reading

i played titan quest too but only 2 times i think, so the non randomness was ok there.
but i also never really cared so much for TQ (i dont like greece design and lore stuff)
SDMF
Old Post

  Psychobabas   United Kingdom. July 06 2012 20:09. Posts 1978Profile Blog # 

On July 06 2012 09:19 Phenny wrote:
Static vs randomised locations is a very tricky concept I think.

For example static works really fucking well in titan quest (played through each act probably in the realms of 100 times, it doesnt seem to get boring, at least for me anyway), and randomised worlds worked fine for d2.
But at the end of the day it's just the same bits of world stuck together in different ways anyway, although there was some (small but real) feeling of exploration and what not, personally I dont find it much of a problem in D3. That said I wouldnt mind it be randomised either if people would prefer it (not that it will be changed now though ofc).

I agree strongly that some more quests from townspeople or randomly in the world would be beneficial, while not hugely important on its own it adds to creating the ~atmosphere~ of the world (and ofc just being more enjoyable in general).

Lol my friends and I all refer to it as zerg creep too :')

Act 4 very visually repetitive, 100% agree. I reeeaallly hate timers, but for a certain part of it maybe it would have added something.

Overall I think some good ideas and some other things that are far too minor to worry about (as you state at the end), especially given the current state of the game, all these suggestion vids and documents though I wonder to what extent they will have an impact. Atm I think I'm just filled with false hope things will improve.


Yeah cauz Titan Quest was a gigantic, epic game. You really thought you were going on an adventure.

Completely shits on D3 as far as level designed is concerned, even if its totally static.
Last edit: 2012-07-06 20:10:24
WCS is like allowing Premier League football teams in the Korean football league... only, the other way around!
Old Post

 
 HolydaKing   Germany. July 06 2012 20:35. Posts 8113
Profile # 
titan quest is pretty similar to diablo 3 tbh... and in some way bettter, especially the way the items are designed.

the way they created diablo 3 doesn't really feel like diablo anymore. the game feels pretty static. how many dungeons are really random? it feels like there are barely any. however it's not really the worst thing about diablo 3, the worst thing is that finding items isn't fun.
Old Post

 
 Amui   Canada. July 06 2012 20:55. Posts 3316
Profile Blog # 
I think the level size is appropriate for normal difficulty. Size should be something like 1.5x larger in NM, and hell and inferno should have every zone approximately the same size as the desolate sands, and those zones larger.

Also, another thing they need to fix is pony level. The fun of cow level was killing infinity cows. Despite the fact that cows were pretty strong, you could kill hundreds at a time so long as you could kite. Pony level doesn't capture the same feeling of mowing down hordes and hordes of cows. Even if you have to nerf drop rates, you want to recapture that feeling.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Old Post

 
 lcms   Netherlands. July 09 2012 02:39. Posts 19
Profile # 
Nice article, enjoyed reading it and valid points. There's just lots of things in the game that seem to have been made too rushed and all too lineair :/ too little epic randomness or random epicness.
Old Post

  diablomasterOO   Philippines. July 11 2012 19:40. Posts 3Profile # 
Nice artcile you got my friend hope to hear more from you.
Old Post

 
 Kpaxlol   July 11 2012 22:03. Posts 785
Profile # 
They lied to us by saying it would be insanely repetitive. . . And the dungeons are indeed no all that random ..
<3 bw
Old Post

Please log in or register to reply.
 
Refresh
 Calendar - June 
Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We
20212223242526
ON AIR:
→
Rules of Engagement
Wiki
Day[9] Daily #598
Stream: Day[9].tv
→
[URTL] iMp vs oSpire
Stream: UR Gaming TV
→
ESPORTS Mafia E09
Stream: Koibu0
→
LO3 - E163
Upcoming events:  [ More ]
21mWedNightSprites #2…
51mMeta: Episode #9
6h 51m[OSL] RO32 Group C&D
8h 51mHSC VII Day 1
9h 51mASL Ro64
9h 51m[DSL] iG vs LGD.int
13h 51m[EMS One] Group B
14h 51mAdroits #RC #3
14h 51mGo4SC2 #293
19h 51m[WCS AM] Group E CL
20h 51m[URTL] Denial vs…
22h 51m[URTL] FXO.NA vs Op
23h 51mRules of Engagement
1d 7h[GSTL] Ax-Acer vs.…
1d 8hHSC VII Day 2
1d 14hXilence Cup 8
1d 19h[WCS AM] Group D
2 daysVengeance Cup Qual…
2 days[GSTL] AZUBU vs. FXO
2 daysMST#07
2 daysWyN Master CUP
2 daysHSC VII Day 3
2 daysAdroits RC #4
2 daysDenver June HOTS T…
2 daysSSRO #3
2 daysZOTAC NA #107
3 days[AlienwareCup]Grou…
3 days[BW] Defiler Tour…
3 daysHSC VII Day 4
3 daysGo4SC2 Sun €150
3 daysZOTAC EU #162
4 days[AlienwareCup]Grou…
5 days[OSL] RO32 Group E&F
5 days[AlienwareCup]Grou…
6 days[AlienwareCup]Grou…
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
snipealot2
dRaW
StarCraft 2
EG.iNcontroL [RC]
Liquid`HerO
NonY
Dota 2
Liquid`FLUFF
EG.DeMoN [RC]
Arteezy
Other Notable Streams
Tobi Wan Kenobi
[ Show 117 non-featured ]
StarCraft: Brood War
• -BOSS.KisS-
• Reclusive
• Archaeo
StarCraft 2
• avilo
• -Livinpink-
• AltWinter
• Tyraxus
• TumescentPie
• imarinetv
• blade55555
• Enders116
• Doombie
• bexysc
• RuFF_SC2
• ColterTV
• Chicks
• eNjiin
• BlordSc2
• dde
• ZvZElmerFudd
• WhalesFromSpace
• Gool
• SoOJuuu
• Saetia
• -dLSAETIA
• Darkness2k11
• confusid
• iamhope
• Tanag
• Bonkerz
• Belial154
• Drizzs
• Cardris
• SCV Rush
• WulfInstinct
• ProCheeto
• ElhayM
• TheBatman
• AbraxasSC
• 0Toph
• AceGeneral
• xGsCyBorg
• Bidoux
• Valkyriex
• Havok_jj
• Lingboy
• zDreaM
• Brolettuce
• Sluskis
• Bond13579
• ReKLiS
• Grippe87
• SacrificialprobE
• TheStarStrikers
• Forestrunner
• CarnageSC2
• soapyy.
• SUperLong
• BarackHusseinObama
• Zren89
• TCFClemson
• ReconCorporation
• Impactsc2
• BenzRacer
• DukeOfDangle
• DEGENERATECARDPLAYER
Dota 2
• ArenaGamingDota2
• americandotaleague
• ChikenMC
• SuperJoe
• t40r
• TsunamiNori
• DB42
• phone_microwave
• -FoX
• Nekofest
• Polaris
• EsTra
• ThePengwin
• D4RKCIDE
• NashBrdiges
League of Legends
• Bubbadub
• Fusionbomb
• wgrates
• Mezxxii
• Psyal
• YoUr_KiLLeR
• edzwoo
• Necro365
• GrayFox-
Diablo III
• LouisvuittonShini
Other Games
• SK.Testie
• [TyRanT]TheViper
• GAFALLEN
• charliewinsmore
• Cirno
• Trump
• moxierawr
• rizeupgaming
• Drako7
• Treasoned
• KingDime
• dnyceboy
• NopeVidya
• luckylefty
• Girit
• AGcomandyzo(toss)
• Shizzler
• ProDpS
• Igbarash
• RenJ-69
• Ten Tron
• LFHaunt
• hugar
• Warnipple
• Crusaders TV
• maRkySC2

» Recent SC2 Results
» Premier SC2 Tournaments

1. Sen
2. Stephano
3. Socke
4. mOOnGLaDe
5. Nerchio
1. Life
2. Curious
3. RorO
4. Symbol
5. PartinG
Sidebar Settings...

The Little App Factory



The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff.

Advertising | Jobs | Privacy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren. Ad tag: TF_US.
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2002-2013 Teamliquid.net. All Rights Reserved