| Seuss United States. July 13 2012 14:42. Posts 3013 | Profile Blog # |
| It's not clear how many seeds she can store at rank 5, nor how fast they store. If it's only 2 it's pretty bad. |
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| Dark_Chill Canada. July 13 2012 14:43. Posts 1013 | Profile # |
Not sure how the Xin changes will work out. 15% sounds good, though not much else has changed on him.
When I think about it, would this mean attack speed runes are that much better on him, since he'll already have apen?
She looks good though. It doesn't look like her plants can die, and more attack speed on a plant that does pretty impressive damage is great. One thing I see, does cooldown reduction seem like a bad choice on her? It seems like she'll want to use all her spells in one go in the later stages of the game. Last edit: 2012-07-13 14:47:34 |
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| Ryuu314 United States. July 13 2012 14:49. Posts 5336 | Profile # |
I'm hoping that her seed generation rate goes down with levels. The number of seeds you can store at once shouldn't be an issue if the seed generation rate is fast enough. It doesn't appear that there's a hard cap on the number of plants/seeds you can have on the field at a time though; it seems only limited by cooldown.
Her skills having bad ratios I can be okay with so long as she can summon enough stuff to make up for it. From the looks of it, lvl 2 plants with 50 AP deal 70 damage a hit, which imo is very respectable (unless they have super slow attack speeds or something). |
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| Sufficiency Canada. July 13 2012 14:49. Posts 7308 | Profile Blog # |
On July 13 2012 14:40 LaNague wrote:
i dont see the poin of this new mage, you have to store 2 plants and then in a fight you have to plant them quickly and hope the fight stays where it is, then use your Q in a way that it hits enemies and the seeds and then you maybe perform the same as other mages....for 10 seconds. After that you have to wait 30 seconds for 2 seeds again.
This cant be right oO
I totally agree with you. Either her plants attack crazily fast, or she has crazy range/aoe-radius on her Q, or she needs a buff. Looking at her ratio so far it's not impressive at all.
On a different note, the new Xin seems utterly broken (from surrender at 20). http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xiQg2eq2eOk/T_-0tTwjkcI/AAAAAAAACdg/jkITYE0S3aI/s1600/xinzaho+PBE.png
EDIT: this patch will be so overwhelming. 4 new champions essentially...Last edit: 2012-07-13 14:50:31 |
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| LaNague Germany. July 13 2012 14:50. Posts 2978 | Profile # |
so i just read the eve notes, they made her from a really strong ad with insane steroids and stealth into some kind of melee mage?
i would have just removed her stealth and used that skill spot to improve her laning, its a completely different champion now oO.
soooo, i dont get the xin changes. First they nerf his numbers 3 times in a row without any need for it and now they "remake" him, by shuffling around his skills a bit, which in the end makes him play exactly the same, but with improved numbers. oO
Im lost on this patch.Last edit: 2012-07-13 14:54:50 |
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| Ryuu314 United States. July 13 2012 14:53. Posts 5336 | Profile # |
On July 13 2012 14:49 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 14:40 LaNague wrote:
i dont see the poin of this new mage, you have to store 2 plants and then in a fight you have to plant them quickly and hope the fight stays where it is, then use your Q in a way that it hits enemies and the seeds and then you maybe perform the same as other mages....for 10 seconds. After that you have to wait 30 seconds for 2 seeds again.
This cant be right oO
I totally agree with you. Either her plants attack crazily fast, or she has crazy range/aoe-radius on her Q, or she needs a buff. Looking at her ratio so far it's not impressive at all. On a different note, the new Xin seems utterly broken (from surrender at 20). http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xiQg2eq2eOk/T_-0tTwjkcI/AAAAAAAACdg/jkITYE0S3aI/s1600/xinzaho+PBE.pngEDIT: this patch will be so overwhelming. 4 new champions essentially...
really? he looks really gimped... They shifted the cooldown reduction onto his Q, which means each cast of Q will reduce the cd of his other skills by 3 seconds only (and it doesn't include his Q), which is kinda bleh. His ult sounds like it could be really good for isolating a target.
More on Zyra, based on the screenshots in the sneak peak, her ulti radius seems pretty huge. Which means if you have cc to set it up, the large delayed aoe knock-up effect could be really strong.Last edit: 2012-07-13 14:53:51 |
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| SnK-Arcbound United States. July 13 2012 15:00. Posts 2182 | Profile # |
| I remember playing some 5's games with psyonic_reaver and xin just came out, was OP as fuck. Damn that was a long time ago, back when he streamed. Also I'm always looking for new junglers to learn that don't suck *coughshyvcough*. |
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| mr_tolkien France. July 13 2012 15:06. Posts 3341 | Profile Blog # |
| Lee definitely the character with the coolest skins. |
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| Varpulis United States. July 13 2012 15:15. Posts 2356 | Profile Blog # | |
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| r.Evo Germany. July 13 2012 15:18. Posts 5208 | Profile # |
On July 13 2012 15:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
Lee definitely the character with the coolest skins.
Not as long as Teemo is in the game. |
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| Seuss United States. July 13 2012 15:33. Posts 3013 | Profile Blog # |
On July 13 2012 14:43 Dark_Chill wrote:
Not sure how the Xin changes will work out. 15% sounds good, though not much else has changed on him.
When I think about it, would this mean attack speed runes are that much better on him, since he'll already have apen?
She looks good though. It doesn't look like her plants can die, and more attack speed on a plant that does pretty impressive damage is great. One thing I see, does cooldown reduction seem like a bad choice on her? It seems like she'll want to use all her spells in one go in the later stages of the game.
He's actually fundamentally different from before. Old Xin had a large impetus to stack attack speed because it scaled his offense/cc/ability to stick to a target. New Xin doesn't have that motivation, no matter what your attack speed you only get 3 attacks out of Q. Q incidentally has a 1.2 total AD ratio (it's not a 3.0 bonus AD ratio, thankfully), starts at a 9 second cooldown and drops 1 second per rank. It does not affect itself.
W is hands down your least important ability now. You take one rank for 26 healing every third hit, then ignore it because you only gain 6 more healing per rank and there's no passive attack speed on it any more. It does gain 10% attack speed and drops a second on its cooldown per rank (16-12), but that's not really enough.
Missing from the leak was that his passive, Challenge, can only apply to one target. Also, that target is excluded from the knockback on his ultimate. So when you charge someone and ult you push back the everyone but that target. Also, there's no minimum Armor/MR on his ult anymore, just a flat amount per champion hit. It at least has a 1.0 bonus AD ratio, but I don't honestly know how much AD you'll be building.Last edit: 2012-07-13 15:35:19 |
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| Lmui Canada. July 13 2012 15:43. Posts 1956 | Profile # | |
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| Ryuu314 United States. July 13 2012 15:44. Posts 5336 | Profile # |
My knee-jerk reaction to Xin rework is that he just got nerfed.
Other than his ulti change, I feel like every other change was for the worse. Moving the cd reduction to his Q means that he can no longer spam abilities the way he used to be, resulting in less overall utility. Moving his passive onto W, while simultaneously removing the passive attack speed buff means that you essentially have to "waste" one level to gain the sustain you had right off the bat before. E seems to be slightly buffed (unless the slow doesn't scale with level which I doubt; the AP ratio and mana buff is more or less irrelevant unless you're doing some troll AP Xin build). I like his R change; does much more damage and can isolate important targets. His new passive seems very meh, especially compared to his old one.Last edit: 2012-07-13 15:45:34 |
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| ketchup July 13 2012 15:49. Posts 1177 | Profile # |
On July 13 2012 14:50 LaNague wrote:
so i just read the eve notes, they made her from a really strong ad with insane steroids and stealth into some kind of melee mage?
i would have just removed her stealth and used that skill spot to improve her laning, its a completely different champion now oO.
It's impossible to completely remove stealth from Eve. She's known for it. It IS Eve. Just like Jax IS dodge. You can't do that to a pre-existing champion like that |
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| JackDino Gabon. July 13 2012 16:05. Posts 3293 | Profile # |
Lol first thing that pops into my mind while reading zyra passive and checking the art next to it is queen of blades, could've fooled me.
Her abilities look rather boring though.Last edit: 2012-07-13 16:07:04 |
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| wussleeQ United States. July 13 2012 16:06. Posts 1630 | Profile Blog # |
| HOLY FUCK. eve's ulti or whatever is so fucking loud... |
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| Decelea Australia. July 13 2012 16:10. Posts 73 | Profile # |
| Just played against zergneedsfood in 5v5 normal premade. Was pretty funny to recognise a TL member, i think it shows how hard i lurk though. Our team won for the record. |
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| Sufficiency Canada. July 13 2012 16:15. Posts 7308 | Profile Blog # |
| It looks like Eve's Q now has 0.45 ap ratio and her E is kept at 1 ap ratio. If her range on Q is increased I am definitely playing her mid :3. |
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| Seuss United States. July 13 2012 16:16. Posts 3013 | Profile Blog # |
On July 13 2012 15:44 Ryuu314 wrote:
My knee-jerk reaction to Xin rework is that he just got nerfed.
Other than his ulti change, I feel like every other change was for the worse. Moving the cd reduction to his Q means that he can no longer spam abilities the way he used to be, resulting in less overall utility. Moving his passive onto W, while simultaneously removing the passive attack speed buff means that you essentially have to "waste" one level to gain the sustain you had right off the bat before. E seems to be slightly buffed (unless the slow doesn't scale with level which I doubt; the AP ratio and mana buff is more or less irrelevant unless you're doing some troll AP Xin build). I like his R change; does much more damage and can isolate important targets. His new passive seems very meh, especially compared to his old one.
I honestly can't tell what it is. With max CDR Xin's cooldowns are 3s on Q, 7.2 on W, and 5.4 on E. Basically you can E->Q every 3 seconds (50% slow and 1s knockup) and keep the 80% attack speed buff on permanently. It's crazy how fast you burn through mana doing that, but you honestly can spam abilities more than before.
New ulti is crazy.
On July 13 2012 16:15 Sufficiency wrote:
It looks like Eve's Q now has 0.45 ap ratio and her E is kept at 1 ap ratio. If her range on Q is increased I am definitely playing her mid :3.
It is and it isn't. The range to activate is slightly higher, but the projectile passes through that point and hits targets behind it as well.
Also Eve's level 3 ult does 25% + 1%/50AP of maximum health in magic damage in an AoE.Last edit: 2012-07-13 16:17:39 |
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| Cixah United States. July 13 2012 16:25. Posts 943 | Profile # |
| Xin ult is going to be nuts, but with the removal of the passive aspeed and only having it be on active is going to make him different. I for one can't wait for our new xin over lords. |
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