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| Vivax Italy. July 14 2012 05:06. Posts 3782 | Profile Blog # |
On July 14 2012 04:57 Risen wrote:
Finally! We have a post with conviction! (Even if it IS coming after other people have already voiced suspicion of Milton)
Post proof for this, cause I couldn't find cases against Milton before mine.
Overall, your "case" reeks strongly of OMGUS, since the only guy you found suspicious since you came back is the guy who posted a real case against you. Since then you've been spamming in the thread with unconsolidated one-liners, usually posting 1/10 at best of the amount you quote. |
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| talismania United States. July 14 2012 05:09. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
On July 14 2012 02:51 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:hokay so DropBear+ Show Spoiler +I think he is scum for two reasons. 1) The timing with which he bashes my plan. Everyone else had already bashed it. If you look at that post, what possible purpose does it serve? It's not adding anything to the discussion, it's just prolonging it unnecessarily.
On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:This is silly.
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).
This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.
On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway.
2) Weird tone. He was an aggressive player when I played with him last, but didn't get feisty (the "angry koala" as acrofales dubbed him) until he was threatened with a lynch. He's been ornery and disruptive this entire game and I can't figure out why. Plus when he was angry before, it was righteous anger. This feels like sarcastic, trollish ribbing. Examples below:
On July 12 2012 15:00 DropBear wrote:Hello everyone. I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power. With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim!
One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear. This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said. Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it.
On July 12 2012 18:09 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 16:10 gonzaw wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:38 Keirathi wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:14 DropBear wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying roleblocker should never, under any circumstances, use their power.
But it needs to be used with extreme caution because you probably have a higher chance (or at the very least, equal) of blocking a town blue than blocking a KP if you just pick randomly.
There are certainly situations where it can be a useful power, of course, but its much safer just to not use it until you have good, solid reads.
People have in fact said that it shouldn't be used period. Gonzawtalismania
Then I completely disagree with them. I'm still not positive they mean that there is a never a situation where RB can be useful, but if they think that then I encourage them to think harder.
Obviously there are exceptions. If there are 2 "very obvious scum" or something (and only 2 scum remain) then he can try to RB those. But him trying to RB at random on N1 or even on N2 seems too risky to me, specially if that guys doesn't have very good reads (and isn't lucky). @Dropbear: I don't like your attitude. You just busted into the thread, basically discredited everything everybody said, and discredited every accusation anybody else has done, and that's it. All the while acting like you own the place or something (without actually taking charge). However you are not progressing at all, you are just complaining. Actually lets get the ball rolling (this thread is VERY silent so far, hopefully this changes that): ##Vote: Dropbear
You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad.
On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax
the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said?
I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy?
On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3.
On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing:
On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players.
still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense.
I'll defend Milton for you  He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
talismania
(the entire tone of the above post)^ What makes the timing of that post and his tone scummy? Well both are unnecessary, both are disruptive and create an anti-town atmosphere, and, in the case of this response to my plan, it is essentially just an excuse to add filler to his filter. Look like contributing without actually contributing. He's also had a relatively narrow focus, only looking at vivax and me. And really he was only looking at vivax, but then somehow in his last post I got shoehorned into the picture, perhaps to give him cover to vote for me later on. austinmccscummy shit: 1) his first post. Ok fine - I'll give it to him that he added a bit to what mattchew and marv had said. But again it's not about that, it's about why people post and how they do it.
On July 12 2012 11:33 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 11:06 Mattchew wrote:
Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me
That's because there's basically nothing to my first post except "Millers claim," which isn't helpful. What I can add is that I think talismania's 3-case plan is bad, but that seems to be the general sentiment. Forcing arbitrary requirements on everyone isn't really going to help us, and is going to clog up the thread later. People are going to make halfhearted cases to try to reach that number, someone will inevitably only find 1-2 people scummy and we'd end up in some "does x not making 3 cases = scummy?" discussion, and we also might end up lynching people that EVERYONE finds a little bit scummy rather than someone that a few people have a strong scumread on for good reasoning. Can also add that I haven't played with gonzaw, but I've obsed his recent games. Anyone here feel like they do a good job reading him, and if so, can you post some tips? I've found that I almost always end up reading him as scum, because he is active enough and posts enough that I keep finding scummy things to latch on to. Had him scum at the end of liar game just prior to the katina lynch, but also found him really scummy in the recent MTG because I felt like some of the plans he pushed hard were anti-town (check the obsqt early on, although I didn't post much there). So...any magical tricks for getting the right read on Gonzaw?
Why pile on, when you already acknowledge that it is "the general sentiment"? It's just adding filler to his filter, and padding for the other part of his post. This is classic scum stuff to try and add extra stuff to their posts so they don't get accused of doing nothing but, say, asking rambling stuff about gonzaw. 2) The other thing I've already pointed out that he hasn't really addressed. He is voting for me. He posted a 5-paragraph essay before doing so. But he never actually said I was scum. I pointed this out, he just rehashes what he already said, but never actually connects the dots and explains why he thinks all that stuff that I've done makes me scum. Combined with the timing of this accusation, it makes me think he's simply trying to start momentum for my lynch, taking off on what milkton did (and milkton, despite having bs reasoning, at least connected the dots). Austin omits that crucial step because he's not thinking like a town player. He's just thinking about who he needs to get his vote onto.
On July 13 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
*snip*
(1) 90% of people hadn't already stated why it was bad. Look at Talis's little summary of people who commented. It's 7 people long, and one of them is him misinterpreting your post. That's not 90% of the thread.
(2) Again, I'm not saying why the plan was bad. I'm trying to say that he's incorrect in saying I didn't add anything. I think he's really stretching what people have said to try and make it seem like Part 2 of the plan was somehow helpful, when really it's not.
##Vote: Talismania
I don't buy this two-part plan nonsense, and I don't think it's helpful at all.
First off his points 1 and 2 are kinda bs. I'll give him that he added a little bit, and I already said way back that not as many people replied as I thought did before I went and analyzed it. It's not me twisting things when I'm freely admitting when I've exaggerated or whatever. Secondly, it's like he's voting me because... I'm unhelpful. What? ______________________ My thoughts on everyone else: + Show Spoiler +Mattchew: I dub mattchew "the poker-prodder". He keeps poking and prodding people. He's ultimately a null tell for me, as he is in every game I've ever seen him in. For a second I had him on my scummy list because of his "hey are you just actively lurking" post until now when I've re-read his filter and seen him poking at everyone. I am a bit surprised he's not voting for me - I think as scum he would have done that by now especially when he called me out like he did. I also have a question for you, Mattchew:
On July 12 2012 11:06 Mattchew wrote:Gonzaw's start to like every game ![[image loading]](http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/493583_o.gif) But I love his effort, just hate reading EVERYTHING he posts. Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me
What ever happened to your thoughts about austin? You never mention him again in your filter after this. Risen: I agree with what solstice just said about his style. It's sort of impossible to read given his pre-game determination to change it. That said, his content has been incredibly lacking. He made his vote too early, he didn't explain it. Actually reading through his filter now he does seem really sketchy. Interested to see if and how he changes his vote today. solstice: I really like the case marv made on him, actually, but for some reason I don't know if I can move beyond a null on him. Like I think the first half of his filter is scummy (the part marv showed), the second half townie. Overall he is playing fairly relaxed, which is usually a town indicator as well. On the other hand he's also been fairly focused on just a couple players, which is a scum indicator. gonzaw: Aside from his "lol how does the setup work?" posts everything he's done screams townie to me. Like the amount of effort he's put in just seems excessive. Even I imagine myself with 100% free time I can't see myself doing that much work as scum. marvellosity: Marv. How is it possible that he posts so much but I always forget he's in the game? It's not like his posts are bad they're usually pretty on point. I've never played against him as scum so I dunno what he does then, but his filter so far looks fairly like his town filters from the games I've played with him. He tends to have a lot of targets and switch frequently, often correcting himself as town and I see that here as well. Vivax: Never played with him before. He's sort of in the solstice camp actually. First half of the filter is scummy. Especially the part where marv asked him to explain his feelings on matt and he was just like "here's filter do it yourself" LOL. On the other hand I like what he says about Milkton. On the third hand he's also playing rather focused. Null. sciberbia: Sciberbia I am your biggest fan. I love the way you post. I have no idea what your alignment is but if everyone posted like you this game would be easy. Keirathi: Well he's conditional town or conditional scum at this point. Like I think he was way too neutral in the beginning as someone else pointed out but he's also onto dropbear as I am. Milktonkram: I think his case and vote on me are bs bs bs... but incredibly random. Like I don't know why he does that as scum. I actually can't figure him out at all to be honest. strongandbig: dear god this is tiring to make lol no wonder no one ever follows my plans. Anyway. I think he's playing pretty freely. I think he was scum in space station? He was more uptight then.
WOLOLOLOLOL nice OMGUS tali! So I'm aggressive? Did you forget Bastard 2 already? When I shouted and screamed to kill only 2 players the entire time I was alive? Plus the examples you give of me being disruptive and aggressive are just firm statements. How is strongly disagreeing being disruptive and trollish? And narrow focused? It's better to focus on a couple of people than splurge shit on EVERYONE like you have done wouldn't you say? Your case on me positively REEKS of being manufactured.
I have to say I wasn't sure what kind of response I would get from you but this is a bit over the top.
1) You were aggressive in bastard 2 only after people wanted you lynched. Beforehand I found you quite reasonable. And I honestly thought you were town the whole time that game - this game there's something different.
2) Your point about focusing involves the kind of obvious false choice that typically only scum would post without thinking twice about it. Id est that the opposite of focusing is "splurging shit". No, the opposite of focusing is considering many different options, asking questions of other players, replying to cases made on people you aren't thinking about, etc etc. Furthermore what I did, listing all my thoughts/impressions is not exactly splurging shit. It was a concise look at everyone in the game and hopefully illustrative.
FYI, the line between strongly disagreeing and being disruptive and trollish is somewhere between "I think your case is bad and here's why" and "you've just been splurging shit".
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. July 14 2012 05:11. Posts 11366 | Profile # |
| oh god I've never been this unsure on day 1 of where to shove my vote (normally at least there's someone easy!). Just read the thread since I left and it's very confusing. Gonna have a dash through the filters and see what I can find. |
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| Keirathi United States. July 14 2012 05:15. Posts 3617 | Profile # |
I'm leaning towards a vote on either Risen or DropBear.
Risen
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On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:This is silly.
On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).
This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.
On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway.
For example: this could be DropBear bussing/giving his teammate a way to backtrack on his plan or it could be scum calling out a townie. I'm not saying I even have a scumread on drop as he seems to want a pro-town environment, which is something I'm all for, but this is something that could be used to confirm a connection in my mind at a later point in time.
On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: He could also just be a townie doing pro-town things. This is the most likely option.
He's being extremely non-commital. Unlike Vivax, I'm not going to make a case that this was a scumslip, but it doesn't make much sense and doesn't really say what he thinks about the situation.
Then: + Show Spoiler +
On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote:
There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls?
##Vote active lurk strongandbig
Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote! ##vote: Vivax
This vote could be forgiven if I had a read on him as townie, since it was a bit out of the blue for Vivax to vote S&B, but he hasn't done anything to push pro-town sentiment yet, so this is a suspiciously easy case to jump on and get a bandwagon.
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On July 14 2012 04:06 Risen wrote:
Reading through I'm thinking vivax/keirathi/s0Lstice(or gonzaw) team. I'm not as confident on s0Lstice, though. I think he's actually reading me based on my meta, which is fine day1 since there isn't much else to go off of. Keirathi's soft defense of my strongest scum read makes me really weary of him. Vivax, of course, is my strongest scum read and I'm having a pretty difficult time believing that a town gonzaw would defend him.
Looks like my vote will be staying on Vivax. I really thought austin's case on me that concluded with a town read was just scummy b/c seriously who goes into that much detail just to end up buddying me? (Goes to the whole, he knows I'm town and therefor just found some stuff in my past games to support his "town-read" case)
I'll be gathering everything on Vivax into a single post, but I really don't think we should be lynching anyone else.
So I'm confused. You make a read that the scumteam is Vivax, me, and solstice, but you go on to make a case against austin? So do you think austin's town read on your is scummy or not? You certainly make it sound like you think it is, but he isn't in your scumteam. I don't get it.
DropBear
I still think his vote on Vivax was suspicious, but that's been talked to death, so I'll continue.
Along with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax
the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said?
I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy?
However, with Risen being my strongest read right now, this really bothers me:
On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.
Maybe a scum wouldn't just outright defend a teamate like that on day1, but its such a flimsy reason that it feels like he could get away with it later if they are both scum.
Last point: he really hasn't made much of a case on Vivax despite voting him and continuing to vote him.
His only posts that even mention Vivax at all: + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 01:39 DropBear wrote:Vivax I am very confused as the reasoning behind your voting so far. Why did you choose strongandbig initially?
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 18:30 Vivax wrote:
@ NSH
It's cause of a habit. I just tend to expect links in underlined words <_<.
Back to the topic:
##unvote strongandbig
Very informative post about marv there.
Wanted to vote Milton next but he posted.
He tries to make himself pretty transparent by posting his games. It's a good sign, but nothing decisive.
Speaking of meta, sciberbia doesn't look good based on that.I was with him in two games and I feel like he's being different in this one.
s0lstice already pointed out the missing fast posts we're used to see from scib at the start of the game.
That alone is forgivable given the posted reasons. But the overall gut feeling is still bad cause of the overall style.
What do you mean by an informative post? Cos he made a case he must be town or something? What are the differences in sciberbia you talk about?
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax
On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax
the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said?
I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy?
On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3.
On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.
Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing:
On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players.
still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense.
I'll defend Milton for you He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM
Vivax
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On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
HOST YOU MISSED MY VOTE FOR VIVAX
I am not going to be here for lynch time, it's 4am my time.
I am voting for Vivax still. I would like to see the lynch between him and talismania.
I do not support a Milton lynch. I have already said this.
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.
On July 14 2012 02:55 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 02:43 austinmcc wrote:
On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.
Specifics please
This aimed at gonzaw. Made perfect sense, the thread was barely 4 pages old and gonzaw was saying people were lurking.
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.
This because Vivax is scum.
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote:
There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls?
##Vote active lurk strongandbig
Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote! ##vote: Vivax
There's not a case in there, just a lot of saying Vivax is scum without any reasoning to back it up.
Pre-post edit: @austin - regarding Vivax, his early play being in the spotlight, plus him being Crazy(TM) as town (in Newbie XVIII he fake claimed DT as town, and even though he was right, cost us a lot of timer arguing and would have lost us the game if he was wrong), I just feel like for now that he's reasonably townie.
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| Risen United States. July 14 2012 05:15. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
| Real quick, while looking for proof for Vivax I have found that s0Lstice is Vivax's parrot. Vivax votes milton, s0L votes milton. Vivax votes Risen, s0L votes Risen. Food for thought. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. July 14 2012 05:15. Posts 11366 | Profile # |
I'm just gonna splurge my thoughts a little as I go
On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread?
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. July 14 2012 05:16. Posts 11366 | Profile # |
| ninjad by Risen there a bit :x |
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| Risen United States. July 14 2012 05:16. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
| Keirathi please update your thoughts on me regarding the case I have just posted......... |
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| Risen United States. July 14 2012 05:18. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
Your proof is gonzaw making a post casting suspicion on him Viv
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On July 13 2012 05:15 gonzaw wrote:Disclamer: This is the "list" of scummy guys I'm not that comfortable lynching and I'd like people's opinions on them (I think it's likely there is at least 1 scum in here...hell maybe all are scum >_>) About DropBear:I already posted what I think of him: + Show Spoiler [Thoughts on DropBear] +
On July 13 2012 04:27 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:39 Mattchew wrote:
Strong I feel like the entirety of your posts could easily be made by either town or scum, if this is you trying to establish your alignment you have done a poor job with me. Your post is longwinded and looks to explain your thought process, but we both know that 95% of your posts content has nothing to do with this game at all. Not only that but your early attempt at a read on marv does not even account for his other posts in the thread. And your reasoning for voting him from this game is too, extremely weak.
Sorry bro, but that's kind of the nature of the game I guess - any post could be made either by scum or by town? Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more townie? Meanwhile, I feel like there's something to be read in Gonzaw's post about Derpbear - I'm just not sure what. Dropbera accuses Gonzaw of tryharding overmuch, when he's just Gonzawing - then Gonzaw attacks him in a way that I'm pretty sure either exaggerates or straight up mischaracterizes dropper's tiny filter. hmmmmmmmmmmm...... I'll think some more about this later tonight. Gonzaw, have you and DropBurp ever played together before?
The thing is his behaviour struck me as odd, and I wanted to "get the ball rolling" to see what happened.. Apparently nobody even commented on it, which was what I was expecting to. I was not confident in Dropbear being scum, but I got a feeling he could. Him later just discrediting my FoS, and general aggressiveness doesn't make me very comfortable FoSing him, since it's always more likely townies that do such thing; although I'm still wary of him buddying up to marv there and jumping on the Vivax bandwagon. *sigh* However that's not decisive evidence, yet he's still one of my candidates for scum. I'll reread some stuff and respond to other stuff later (just want to have the unvote right now so I don't have a vote and another one later, and so this post isn't huge) ##Unvote: DropBear
About Risen:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys:
On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens......
On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated
On July 12 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:
alight lets do this.
no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me.
You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later). marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so). Also this guy could die too:
On July 12 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
Screw the number and size of posts. I'm not a scientist, but it looks like talismania's been town --> scum --> town --> scum --> town. Therefore, he's scum this game.
I know that millers are supposed to claim D1, but I don't see why we'd want claims on other roles right now. Except from marv, who needs to let us know whether he's a vigi or scum this game, since those are the only roles that he rolls.
But at least he put a little bit more effort (although that's not town-telling) Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it.
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.
I already posted why this was weird. He came out of nowhere just to defend himself against me, but doesn't say anything at all about it, just posted a very apparent tautology without saying anything. Another thing I found weird was:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote:
There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls?
##Vote active lurk strongandbig
Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote! ##vote: Vivax
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:55 Risen wrote:
I've had experience with Mattchew being scum, as we were both godfathers who flipped vigis in some other game I can't remember the name of. I think he's WAY, WAY, WAY more active and useful this game ALREADY than he was that game.
He voted Vivax (I assume) because he didn't state why he voted S&B all of a sudden. However, in that 2nd post of his, Vivax already had 2 votes (marv+Dropbear) and Vivax already explained why he voted/unvoted S&B.....yet he doesn't comment anything about it. If he's town, he knows his vote is the most important thing he has (unless he's Awesome Vigilante with Homing Heat-seeking missiles that 100% target scum), so one would think he'd pay attention to things regarding the guy he's voting. Him softly-accusing Dropbear without actually taking a stance in the subject here:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:This is silly.
On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).
This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.
On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway.
For example: this could be DropBear bussing/giving his teammate a way to backtrack on his plan or it could be scum calling out a townie. I'm not saying I even have a scumread on drop as he seems to want a pro-town environment, which is something I'm all for, but this is something that could be used to confirm a connection in my mind at a later point in time.
And his seemingly apologetic post here (that again is just an excuse for him not to do anything)
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 15:18 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:14 sciberbia wrote:
@keirathi, @Dropbear, @Risen
Do you guys have any suspicions yet? Maybe you could comment on my post about risen/marv or about gonzaw's accusations of risen/strongandbig/Mattchew? This thread is too quiet for my liking -- please share some of your thoughts.
I think it's too early for anything. I don't really like to make reads without any connections (this might be a bad thing to do). I just think it's easier for me to make cases when I consider people as members of a team, not as individual scum members.
Make me suspicious of him However, his "kind" attitude and way he's posting make me wary. Like, the way he posts is very weird and would certainly call people's attention....but isn't it too obvious perhaps? Like, it seems he doesn't really care how people see him, which doesn't make me that confident in thinking he's scum. But meh, I'd appreciate people's thoughts on him
About Milkton:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 17:39 Miltonkram wrote:Hey everybody I'm finally able to get in the thread. I'll make this my quick introductory post and then get to scumhunting. I find that policy talk naturally transitions into a scumhunt over the course of D1. I think we all know the major points of policy that get talked about, and I tend to take each policy on a case by case basis anyway, so I won't waste much time on policy talk other than to say that talismania's proposal is pretty obviously a bad idea. First things first, here is a list of games I've played in as well as links to my filters from those games. I think I'll be starting all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up too much space. + Show Spoiler +
This post seems fluffy as fuck, specially the 1st part. The "list of game I've played" is filler as well, it doesn't add anything else to the game Even after posting that he doesn't do anything later (is he still "busy" or something?) However it's his first fucking post so it's not like we can get a meaningful read out of it Well fuck, another wall of text  So....I'll try to keep things a little bit separate and post my actual "scum reads" in the next post (it's just S&B+austin+Keirathi anyways....yeah SPOILERS whatever).
Anything else you find wrong in my case against you? Because cherrypicking THAT out of an entire case is pretty interesting. Looks to me like you're trying to discredit an entire case based upon one small point (and you turned out to be wrong so...) |
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| Vivax Italy. July 14 2012 05:19. Posts 3782 | Profile Blog # |
On July 14 2012 05:15 Risen wrote:
Real quick, while looking for proof for Vivax
This pretty much sums up how you made your case. |
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| Risen United States. July 14 2012 05:19. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
On July 14 2012 05:15 marvellosity wrote:I'm just gonna splurge my thoughts a little as I go
Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread?
I find this somewhat hypocritical as s0lstice pushed Miltonkram in his big post after my case, and is now voting Risen himself
Exactly. I'm 100% ok with a s0L lynch if people disagree with my case against viv. I really think Viv should be our lynch today, but I don't want a no lynch. |
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| Risen United States. July 14 2012 05:19. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
On July 14 2012 05:19 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:15 Risen wrote:
Real quick, while looking for proof for Vivax
This pretty much sums up how you made your case.
Your refutation of my case is amazing. Are people really buying this? |
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| Risen United States. July 14 2012 05:21. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
EBWOP: You didn't even address the quote I linked form Gonzaw. Cmon....
Vote Vivax now. Please. Look at my case, then look at his more recent posting. He's sketchy as shit and we're not liable to find someone else. Dropbear is NOT as scummy as Viv. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. July 14 2012 05:21. Posts 11366 | Profile # |
I'm not sure I can get behind a Vivax lynch.
His scum filter from Newbie XVI is here where he lurked and summarised stuff.
Here he is active and pushing stuff, even if he's doing it badly. |
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| Keirathi United States. July 14 2012 05:22. Posts 3617 | Profile # |
On July 14 2012 05:16 Risen wrote:
Keirathi please update your thoughts on me regarding the case I have just posted.........
I will if you will respond to what I said about you, particularly the part involving austin. |
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| Risen United States. July 14 2012 05:25. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
On July 14 2012 05:22 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:16 Risen wrote:
Keirathi please update your thoughts on me regarding the case I have just posted.........
I will if you will respond to what I said about you, particularly the part involving austin.
What about it? I thought he was being scummy b/c who makes a case that big and concludes towny? After logical thinking on my part, this isn't a reason to vote for him. As I said when I originally posted I would be voting for him I was driving and mainly just skimming the thread on my phone.
I also like how in order for you to actually do your job as a towny I have to respond to you. Really? |
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| s0Lstice United States. July 14 2012 05:29. Posts 896 | Profile # |
| Marv I don't know why you are surprised I voted risen. He was one of my two focuses today, and nobody outside of vivax expressed real interest in voting milton. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. July 14 2012 05:29. Posts 11366 | Profile # |
Holy shit austin's case on talismania wasawful. A fucking enormous post where he votes talis on the basis that... his supposed 2 part plan was bad? Look at the size of the post to content ratio there.
He unvotes talis here - with the comment "as long as there's activity I'm fine hopping off you". Sooooo much talking about why he found the plan bad (surely that's why he was pushing) to unvote based on the fact he's active about stuff?
The only problem here is that I'm finding it hard to make myself feel strongly about this |
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| austinmcc United States. July 14 2012 05:29. Posts 2942 | Profile # |
Torn on Keirathi. He's got some townie-looking posts, but they come only after he was pressured for being too neutral and guarded. Once he posts them, he's mostly checked out. Wishing there was more to work with here. (He posted as I was writing this, need to look back over)
Vivax looks scummy in his hopping around, all the meta nometa crap. But Vivax ALWAYS looks scummy to me. I mislynched him in newbie XVI, I found him scummy in LVI (alignment unknown as of yet), and so I don't really want to vote him D1. To me, he's an easy mislynch to push if I'm scum. He's so wrapped up in this person's meta or that person's meta that the scum team should be telling him to knock it off, right? There were plenty of other options for today's lynch, we had so many scattered votes at the start of the day. So why let him keep hanging himself? Don't like it.
marv and solstice, how are you seeing Vivax right now?
Risen still doesn't look great either. He comes back with a full scum team, an alternate scum in Gonzaw, and finds my finding him townie scummy. No activity --> 5 scum reads, with only a little reasoning backing that up. And now he tunnels Vivax, who again I always seem to find scummy and could see myself trying to mislynch if I were scum.
At the moment, I'm willing to consolidate onto Vivax or Risen if needed, but probably not Keirathi in light of his most recent response(s).
For now, my vote's going on solstice. Something really bugs me about him finding my early game to match my townie play. Yes, the length is always there, but my early posts were a mess. Gonzaw's right about that, marv is right that they look off. I wasn't pressured at all really in my newbie games, barring XIII which was just an odd game to play in. I think my response to a little pressure here was way off, because while I normally post lengthy, it's not so disorganized and jumbled. Concerned that he didn't pick up on that. That little thing keeps nagging at me enough that I'm willing to vote him.
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| Keirathi United States. July 14 2012 05:32. Posts 3617 | Profile # |
On July 14 2012 05:25 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:22 Keirathi wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:16 Risen wrote:
Keirathi please update your thoughts on me regarding the case I have just posted.........
I will if you will respond to what I said about you, particularly the part involving austin.
What about it? I thought he was being scummy b/c who makes a case that big and concludes towny? After logical thinking on my part, this isn't a reason to vote for him. As I said when I originally posted I would be voting for him I was driving and mainly just skimming the thread on my phone. I also like how in order for you to actually do your job as a towny I have to respond to you. Really?
You asked me to update my thoughts on you. How you responded to the most important section of my post has more bearing on my thoughts towards you than your case on Vivax does.
I'll agree with you that your case on Vivax has some merit, but I feel like Vivax is playing like the crazy Vivax I've played with before as a townie. Not that that is proof, but its reason enough for me not to vote him today. |
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