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| DropBear Australia. July 19 2012 23:25. Posts 2454 | Profile Blog # |
For the record, I initially criticised talismania here.
Accused Vivax of being scumbuddies with him here.
Talis made his case on me not too long after and almost got me lynched.
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| Mattchew United States. July 19 2012 23:26. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up
Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis |
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| DropBear Australia. July 19 2012 23:30. Posts 2454 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up
Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis
??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1.
I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them. |
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| DropBear Australia. July 19 2012 23:35. Posts 2454 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:05 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 14:37 Miltonkram wrote:
@ Risen
I don't think DropBear is scum. He attacked talismania fairly early on D1. Talismania attacked him too. It's possible that they were bussing each other early, but I find it extremely unlikely. Because of that I'm giving DropBear the BOTD.
@ Gonzaw
I have a small filter because I've been busy. If you've looked through my filter you'd notice that I had to help my father move. The move happened rather suddenly so I wasn't able to budget time in for this game, hence me missing the vote D2. I'm doing my best to catch up and contribute today, but there is a lot of posts to wade through.
Wait a minute I was just reading Milton's filter and I saw this He makes a case on Talismania day 1, then jumps off him onto dropbear Then at the start of day 2 he still says dropbear is his top scum read for a large number of reasons, none of which changed when Talismania flipped scum. Note also that dropbear didn't actually vote Talismania despite "going after Talismania" being the main reason people think he's town. I think either dropbear/Gonzaw or dropbear/Milton is the scum team. ##vote: dropbear
It is true that I never full on went after talismania. What is also true is that talismania most certainly went after me. |
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| NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 19 2012 23:37. Posts 243 | Profile # |
Votecount
[u]gonzaw(4)/[u]
Risen
Mattchew
s0lstice
Keirathi
Risen
sciberbia
Miltonkram
Keirathi(1)
Risen
Keirathi
Miltonkram
Mattchew(2)
gonzaw
s0lstice
Risen(1)
DropBear
DropBear(1)
strongandbig
pls tell me asap if theres any mistakes
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| s0Lstice United States. July 19 2012 23:37. Posts 925 | Profile # |
Dropbear, its important to realize that Matt didn't go all out to push gonzaw until I pointed out how it was weird that he wasn't.
There is a difference, its definitely there. |
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| strongandbig United States. July 19 2012 23:39. Posts 3226 | Profile Blog # |
Hmm. That is true.
What is the case on risen? My reasons for being suspicious of him are mostly that he let everyone think he had a scum investigation on Gonzaw and that Gonzaw was his top scum read, which was apparently a lie.
However I'm not willing to lynch him for that yet. |
| | [QUOTE][B]On March 20 2013 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote:[/B] I don't know much about Coag, but he doesn't seem like the type of guy who goes against the grain just for kicks. [/QUOTE] |
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| Mattchew United States. July 19 2012 23:40. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:30 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up
Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis
??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1. I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them.
S&B,
this is why I think dropbear is town, do you think a scum would actaully say out loud that a scum member lynch took a backseat to a mislynch? Aren't scum supposed to be paranoid and afraid to share? Has dropbear lied or appeared fearful of posting in the thread? |
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| Miltonkram United States. July 19 2012 23:42. Posts 310 | Profile # |
Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:08 Mattchew wrote:
But later (after your D1 fiasco) you just parked your vote on talis, and spent 80% of your posts just going "what do you think of talis" or "vote talis" or "I want talis dead" or "talis talis talis".
Like, no offense to scib, but I would put a lot of the weight on Talis actually getting lynched on me forcing attention onto him. Scib's case was good and all, but would you agree that without me pushing individuals (not just HEY THREAD I MADE A CASE) was the real reason for all the votes on Talis? I wanted to get Talis lynched, something you flipflopped on a lot which I am extremely suspicious of. I think I did a pretty good job of bringing people from "I would lynch x,x, and talis," to actually voting and getting on Talis. But thats enough for patting myself on the back.
I don't feel like every point s0Lstice made against Mattchew is great, but his point against this post stands out. If Mattchew did bus talismania, he stands to gain a lot by bringing his role in the lynch to the forefrunt of everyone's minds. I don't see how town benefits from Mattchew making this post. At best it's egoistic, at worst it's downright scummy. I'll be considering the possibility of a scum Mattchew.
PS. I finally made it through gonzaw's filter. It'll be a little bit, but I'll post my findings as soon as I can. |
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| DropBear Australia. July 19 2012 23:43. Posts 2454 | Profile Blog # |
The majority of my case is here. I think his claim was strange at best and extremely suspect at worst.
On July 19 2012 06:40 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:33 Risen wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:29 DropBear wrote:
I think we should lynch Risen.
Ok so two things are important. If Milton is telling the truth about the roleblocking and if they are mafia aligned AND if Risen is telling the truth and is sane.
A - Both are lying and are the remaining scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
B - Milton tells the truth, Risen lies and is scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
C - Both are telling the truth. Risen won't get another check at all. Mafia will either shoot or block him for the rest of the game. If Mafia decide just to block him and leave him alive, noone EVER gets confirmed. Then it makes Risen look bad and could lead to a shitstorm of mislynching later down the line. Lynching Risen now confirms strongandbig and solstice, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
D - Milton lies, Risen tells truth. Risen will almost definitely get shot if there is no mafia roleblocker, so we are going to lose him anyway as there are no medics and evidence so far suggests that there is no jailkeeper. He will almost definitely die. Lynching Risen confirms solstice and strongandbig, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
Based on the permutations, I think we should lynch Risen.
If there are holes in my logic please point them out!
##Vote Risen
I like how this ignores every other player in the game rofl. Dropbear is Keir's partner?
Dude there is no way of confirming either claim beyond a flip. I can see absolutely no reason why you have claimed so early, or for your breadcrumb. You were under suspicion from several people and were unlikely to be shot by mafia. Plus you say you had no scum hits so you had no real important information to give by claiming. I have no idea whether I believe you or not and this is as far as I can tell the only way, given the added complication of Milton's claim.
He has all of a sudden exploded into life late on night 2 and I think lynching him would in most permutations give a good or at least minimal damage result, given the roleblocker claim by Milton. |
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| strongandbig United States. July 19 2012 23:44. Posts 3226 | Profile Blog # |
Well shit keirathi is still voting himself?
So reading dropbear's filter makes him seem scummy but talismania's filter is confusing - I need to think for a little bit. |
| | [QUOTE][B]On March 20 2013 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote:[/B] I don't know much about Coag, but he doesn't seem like the type of guy who goes against the grain just for kicks. [/QUOTE] |
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| Mattchew United States. July 19 2012 23:45. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| milton it was a way of explaining the posts i made that gonzaw (i believe) was calling me out on, insinuating that I didn't push Talis's lynch |
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| s0Lstice United States. July 19 2012 23:51. Posts 925 | Profile # |
also how are people ignoring the part of my case where Mattchew talks about his read on Risen?
--read on Risen is based largely on consistency and logic
--is Risen still displaying consistency and logic Mattchew?
--not exactly, but that doesnt change my read in any way
wtf???? |
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| strongandbig United States. July 19 2012 23:52. Posts 3226 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:40 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:30 DropBear wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up
Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis
??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1. I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them.
S&B, this is why I think dropbear is town, do you think a scum would actaully say out loud that a scum member lynch took a backseat to a mislynch? Aren't scum supposed to be paranoid and afraid to share? Has dropbear lied or appeared fearful of posting in the thread?
Okay, this is also true. Not enough for me to put dropbear in the town category but enough for me to unvote him.
##unvote
Now dropbear, what if Milton is scum and is lying? Or if he was jail kept for some unfathomable reason? Then lynching risen hurts us enormously. |
| | [QUOTE][B]On March 20 2013 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote:[/B] I don't know much about Coag, but he doesn't seem like the type of guy who goes against the grain just for kicks. [/QUOTE] |
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| Mattchew United States. July 19 2012 23:54. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:51 s0Lstice wrote:
also how are people ignoring the part of my case where Mattchew talks about his read on Risen?
--read on Risen is based largely on consistency and logic
--is Risen still displaying consistency and logic Mattchew?
--not exactly, but that doesnt change my read in any way
wtf????
woah, i said that it changed a little, but not nearly enough to make me think he is scum, or someone I would wanna lynch today. I want to lynch scum Gonzaw today, discussion of Risen's alignment can take place tonight when theres 7 town vs 1 scum |
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| s0Lstice United States. July 19 2012 23:58. Posts 925 | Profile # |
nope, here's what you said
On July 19 2012 07:16 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 07:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion. His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:23 marvellosity wrote:
What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?
his effort and his not giving a fuck style
he didn't push it in a scummy way. Late voters of Vivax should actually be looked at more strongly. This leads me to my next scum candidate. Gonzaw. I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis. I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight
Is this statement still true Mattchew?
Not exactly, because of his gonzaw play which I don't fully understand, but I don't think that changes my read on him in anyway
not changing in any way means....not changing in any way. I don't think there's much wiggle room there. |
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| DropBear Australia. July 19 2012 23:59. Posts 2454 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:52 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 23:40 Mattchew wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:30 DropBear wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up
Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis
??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1. I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them.
S&B, this is why I think dropbear is town, do you think a scum would actaully say out loud that a scum member lynch took a backseat to a mislynch? Aren't scum supposed to be paranoid and afraid to share? Has dropbear lied or appeared fearful of posting in the thread?
Okay, this is also true. Not enough for me to put dropbear in the town category but enough for me to unvote him. ##unvoteNow dropbear, what if Milton is scum and is lying? Or if he was jail kept for some unfathomable reason? Then lynching risen hurts us enormously.
If Milton is scum and Risen is town is the bad permutation of the four I agree. However it still confirms you and solstice. |
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| DropBear Australia. July 20 2012 00:00. Posts 2454 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:51 s0Lstice wrote:
also how are people ignoring the part of my case where Mattchew talks about his read on Risen?
--read on Risen is based largely on consistency and logic
--is Risen still displaying consistency and logic Mattchew?
--not exactly, but that doesnt change my read in any way
wtf????
Ok this is interesting. Mattchew? |
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| Mattchew United States. July 20 2012 00:03. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:58 s0Lstice wrote:nope, here's what you said
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 07:16 Mattchew wrote:
On July 19 2012 07:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion. His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:23 marvellosity wrote:
What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?
his effort and his not giving a fuck style
he didn't push it in a scummy way. Late voters of Vivax should actually be looked at more strongly. This leads me to my next scum candidate. Gonzaw. I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis. I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight
Is this statement still true Mattchew?
Not exactly, because of his gonzaw play which I don't fully understand, but I don't think that changes my read on him in anyway
not changing in any way means....not changing in any way. I don't think there's much wiggle room there.
Ugh I'm being hounded on a read that I honestly don't care about right now and gave a knee-jerk response to, to keep the focus of my discussions on Gonzaw
What do you think of what I recently posted about Gonzaw? |
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| Mattchew United States. July 20 2012 00:05. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
Announcement:
I dont care about Risen's alignment today. He claimed cop, no one counter claimed, and no one has claimed any other blue role, which with a GF flip and no mason buddy claim makes me believe he is telling the truth. |
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