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| DePHIB France. July 10 2012 23:36. Posts 72 | Profile # |
Hello,
Ok, at the beginning of the season I was top 8 plat. I used mainly 1 / 2 base all in and it worked. Now I m going to macro games. and I have been very back.
This replay is a game against a Gold Z. He played macro very poorly. The interesting thing (I won) is that the unit lost tab, at several points, was even. I would have lost if he was plat or dia.
I know there are tons of point of improvement.
Can someone pinpoint them to me to help me ? I can accept any criticicism !
Here is the game :
1v1 Plat vs Gold vs Counting (TvZ)
THANKS
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| Squigly United Kingdom. July 10 2012 23:58. Posts 629 | Profile # |
Heya,
You need to post better OPs if you want help - read the guidelines thread that is Stickeyed (sp?). Such things like why you think youdve lost against a better player.
What did you do well, what did you do badly? Are you using builds or just playing by ear?
Id say post a game where you lost - much more helpful.
EDIT: just watched the replay. To be honest main thing is you need a build. Take a look around TL - there are loads. 4 refinery before a second rax is kinda awful. At 7 min you were floating hundreds of gas. You would have lost to almost any bust - and can never put on pressure.
Also your use of the eng bay to get the random upgrades was rather odd .Not saying bad, just peculiar. Last edit: 2012-07-11 00:06:09 |
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 CaptainCrush United States. July 11 2012 00:00. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
Cant see your replay here at work but I can tell you that macro games lead to late game where terran has no advantage, in fact, most would argue that they are at a disadvantage in all non-mirror matches. If you want to play a macro style game, you must be able to have incredible multi-tasking so that you can both keep up with your economy and micro your units.
Your micro becomes particularly important as you have to basically win most micro engagements as terrans late-game army is not quite as strong as the other races. I moved back myself for a while once I started going macro as a terran. It's unfortunate but its just how the game is these days, here's hoping that HotS brings us some late-game power.
Until then, its all just practice really. Keep working on your micro as that is where you are going to have to be very strong in macro games and even then, micro wont win you the game unless your macro game is solid as well.
Edit: Forgot to add that a big part of terran micro is learning where to engage as well. That one thing can be the difference in the game, especially against something like banelings or colossi.
User was warned for this postLast edit: 2012-07-11 00:03:23 |
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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. July 11 2012 00:08. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
Generally you want to post a replay of you losing, not winning. I'll give it a look though ^^
You get the gasses at your natural waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too fast.
You build turrets blindly, although it works out since he went mutas, it's a pretty heavy mineral dump that might not pay off.
Build armor is a weird choice but I can get behind that since you're going mech, so might as well get your ebay working, plus it helps your PF third.
Errr..... just went over the rest of your replay and you were basically ahead all game. Only once was the units lost equal, the rest of the time you were ahead.
Kind of hard to give advice on a game like this so I have to repeat that you're probably better off posting a replay in which you lose.
On July 11 2012 00:00 CaptainCrush wrote:
Cant see your replay here at work but I can tell you that macro games lead to late game where terran has no advantage, in fact, most would argue that they are at a disadvantage in all non-mirror matches. If you want to play a macro style game, you must be able to have incredible multi-tasking so that you can both keep up with your economy and micro your units.
Your micro becomes particularly important as you have to basically win most micro engagements as terrans late-game army is not quite as strong as the other races. I moved back myself for a while once I started going macro as a terran. It's unfortunate but its just how the game is these days, here's hoping that HotS brings us some late-game power.
Until then, its all just practice really. Keep working on your micro as that is where you are going to have to be very strong in macro games and even then, micro wont win you the game unless your macro game is solid as well.
Edit: Forgot to add that a big part of terran micro is learning where to engage as well. That one thing can be the difference in the game, especially against something like banelings or colossi.
Strategy guidelines require you to watch the replay. Although your advice is sound it's completely irrelevant to this game.
I suggest not posting from work, but if you do it on your break skip the strategy section for when you get home.Last edit: 2012-07-11 00:10:10 |
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| Thylacine Sweden. July 11 2012 00:57. Posts 882 | Profile # |
On July 11 2012 00:08 Clarity_nl wrote:Generally you want to post a replay of you losing, not winning. I'll give it a look though ^^ You get the gasses at your natural waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too fast. You build turrets blindly, although it works out since he went mutas, it's a pretty heavy mineral dump that might not pay off. Build armor is a weird choice but I can get behind that since you're going mech, so might as well get your ebay working, plus it helps your PF third. Errr..... just went over the rest of your replay and you were basically ahead all game. Only once was the units lost equal, the rest of the time you were ahead. Kind of hard to give advice on a game like this so I have to repeat that you're probably better off posting a replay in which you lose.
Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 00:00 CaptainCrush wrote:
Cant see your replay here at work but I can tell you that macro games lead to late game where terran has no advantage, in fact, most would argue that they are at a disadvantage in all non-mirror matches. If you want to play a macro style game, you must be able to have incredible multi-tasking so that you can both keep up with your economy and micro your units.
Your micro becomes particularly important as you have to basically win most micro engagements as terrans late-game army is not quite as strong as the other races. I moved back myself for a while once I started going macro as a terran. It's unfortunate but its just how the game is these days, here's hoping that HotS brings us some late-game power.
Until then, its all just practice really. Keep working on your micro as that is where you are going to have to be very strong in macro games and even then, micro wont win you the game unless your macro game is solid as well.
Edit: Forgot to add that a big part of terran micro is learning where to engage as well. That one thing can be the difference in the game, especially against something like banelings or colossi.
I suggest not posting from work, but if you do it on your break skip the strategy section for when you get home.
MANY people comment on these strategy threads from work. I don't see the problem in it aslong as they say wise and correct stuff, like this guy did.
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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. July 11 2012 01:16. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
On July 11 2012 00:57 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 00:08 Clarity_nl wrote:Generally you want to post a replay of you losing, not winning. I'll give it a look though ^^ You get the gasses at your natural waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too fast. You build turrets blindly, although it works out since he went mutas, it's a pretty heavy mineral dump that might not pay off. Build armor is a weird choice but I can get behind that since you're going mech, so might as well get your ebay working, plus it helps your PF third. Errr..... just went over the rest of your replay and you were basically ahead all game. Only once was the units lost equal, the rest of the time you were ahead. Kind of hard to give advice on a game like this so I have to repeat that you're probably better off posting a replay in which you lose.
On July 11 2012 00:00 CaptainCrush wrote:
Cant see your replay here at work but I can tell you that macro games lead to late game where terran has no advantage, in fact, most would argue that they are at a disadvantage in all non-mirror matches. If you want to play a macro style game, you must be able to have incredible multi-tasking so that you can both keep up with your economy and micro your units.
Your micro becomes particularly important as you have to basically win most micro engagements as terrans late-game army is not quite as strong as the other races. I moved back myself for a while once I started going macro as a terran. It's unfortunate but its just how the game is these days, here's hoping that HotS brings us some late-game power.
Until then, its all just practice really. Keep working on your micro as that is where you are going to have to be very strong in macro games and even then, micro wont win you the game unless your macro game is solid as well.
Edit: Forgot to add that a big part of terran micro is learning where to engage as well. That one thing can be the difference in the game, especially against something like banelings or colossi.
Strategy guidelines require you to watch the replay. Although your advice is sound it's completely irrelevant to this game.
I suggest not posting from work, but if you do it on your break skip the strategy section for when you get home.
MANY people comment on these strategy threads from work. I don't see the problem in it aslong as they say wise and correct stuff, like this guy did.
On May 19 2012 07:07 zatic wrote:
YOU MUST WATCH REPLAYS when they are provided when responding to a thread.
There is a reason they added it. As I said his advice is just fine but it's not relevant to this game at all so it doesn't answer the OP's question.
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| monk United States. July 11 2012 01:27. Posts 6834 | Profile Blog # |
| DePHIB, please add more self-analysis in accordance with the strategy forum guidelines. |
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| DePHIB France. July 11 2012 02:15. Posts 72 | Profile # |
Ok
I think I sucked all game long. Production, macro, nothing was good. I was not @200 pop, never, and if he was less sloppy, he would have kill me.
I don't think the early is the pb, but more mid game. As soon as I take PF at 3rd I am terribly weak on army pop and struggle going over 150 pop while the Z could just be sitting with 200 roaches
Tank position was OK, the rest was OK, but this was far from a "diamond" ranking player. I don't know why. This is so hard to play macro games... |
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| Squigly United Kingdom. July 11 2012 03:44. Posts 629 | Profile # |
You say that you dont think that the early game is the problem. What makes you think that? Your opener was to be honest god awful. Like really bad. If he had attacked you mightve jsut died. Imagine how much better youdve done with a half decent build.
I cant stress enough how much more useful a replay of you losing would be. |
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| Belial88 United States. July 11 2012 03:54. Posts 5217 | Profile Blog # |
On July 11 2012 00:57 Thylacine wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 00:08 Clarity_nl wrote:Generally you want to post a replay of you losing, not winning. I'll give it a look though ^^ You get the gasses at your natural waaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too fast. You build turrets blindly, although it works out since he went mutas, it's a pretty heavy mineral dump that might not pay off. Build armor is a weird choice but I can get behind that since you're going mech, so might as well get your ebay working, plus it helps your PF third. Errr..... just went over the rest of your replay and you were basically ahead all game. Only once was the units lost equal, the rest of the time you were ahead. Kind of hard to give advice on a game like this so I have to repeat that you're probably better off posting a replay in which you lose.
On July 11 2012 00:00 CaptainCrush wrote:
Cant see your replay here at work but I can tell you that macro games lead to late game where terran has no advantage, in fact, most would argue that they are at a disadvantage in all non-mirror matches. If you want to play a macro style game, you must be able to have incredible multi-tasking so that you can both keep up with your economy and micro your units.
Your micro becomes particularly important as you have to basically win most micro engagements as terrans late-game army is not quite as strong as the other races. I moved back myself for a while once I started going macro as a terran. It's unfortunate but its just how the game is these days, here's hoping that HotS brings us some late-game power.
Until then, its all just practice really. Keep working on your micro as that is where you are going to have to be very strong in macro games and even then, micro wont win you the game unless your macro game is solid as well.
Edit: Forgot to add that a big part of terran micro is learning where to engage as well. That one thing can be the difference in the game, especially against something like banelings or colossi.
Strategy guidelines require you to watch the replay. Although your advice is sound it's completely irrelevant to this game.
I suggest not posting from work, but if you do it on your break skip the strategy section for when you get home.
MANY people comment on these strategy threads from work. I don't see the problem in it aslong as they say wise and correct stuff, like this guy did.
Really?
It says in the guidelines that you need to watch the rep if you are going to comment toward the OP. Literally every single "Help me with my replay" thread, there's some moron who doesn't watch the reply in the first 3 replies, and he gets warned.
And you don't get this?
The problem with not watching the rep is because people who post such advice never give good advice that's helpful. Try posting your own rep one day, you'll realize how goddamn frustrating it is when people do that. Usually they give advice that's herpderp that is common sense, such as in the case here - the guy says "micro better" when the OP is going mech and gives some balance whining when the league is platinum.
People post reps because they don't know why they lost. There's not much you can say without watching the rep that would be helpful, since macro is overwhelmingly the reason why people lose. Even Jinro posted a rep recently, and a big part of why he lost had something to do with his starport/reactor timings, rather than shit you'd say if you didn't watch the rep.Last edit: 2012-07-11 03:57:27 |
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