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Lurker vs Swarm Host

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 Archerofaiur   United States. July 12 2012 04:00. Posts 4057
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LURKER VS SWARM HOST


Since not everyone has tried out these units, you can play them on these mods.



Lets get this off the bat, I love the Lurker... but I also love the Swarm Host. The Lurker was just about my favorite unit to use in Brood War. I remember racing to demolish Fenix's base with them. And when I first started following Esports the pros use of Lurker micro (and marine counter micro) made me drop my jaw.

However, when I saw the unveiling of the Swarm Host this past year my mind was blown. Unlimited units? For me? A twisted monstrosity and its brood the very definition of swarmy. Not only that but could locust attack air too! Everything I want in zerg innovation.

And so I come to you Teamliquid. Help me decide which unit belongs in Starcraft 2. Ive compiled a list of advantages for each and would be happy to add any others you can think of. Then rank which unit is the best in the categories of aesthetics, fun, competitive gameplay and overall.


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Lurker Stats:
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Lurker Advantages:
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Lurker Videos




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Swarm Host Stats:
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Swarm Host Videos




Poll: Which unit looks cooler?

Lurker (1231)
 
67%

Swarm Host (607)
 
33%

1838 total votes

Your vote: Which unit looks cooler?

(Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host


Poll: Which unit is more fun to play with?

Lurker (1206)
 
83%

Swarm Host (246)
 
17%

1452 total votes

Your vote: Which unit is more fun to play with?

(Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host


Poll: Which unit is better for spectators/ESPORTS?

Lurker (1197)
 
84%

Swarm Host (222)
 
16%

1419 total votes

Your vote: Which unit is better for spectators/ESPORTS?

(Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host


Poll: Which unit would you rather see in HOTS?

Lurker (1287)
 
79%

Swarm Host (349)
 
21%

1636 total votes

Your vote: Which unit would you rather see in HOTS?

(Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host





Stats from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2
Last edit: 2012-07-18 03:18:29
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
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 NexCa   Germany. July 12 2012 04:02. Posts 841
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Lurker, Definitly !!!
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 Tedde93   Sweden. July 12 2012 04:03. Posts 168
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Which unit is more fun to play with is a pretty stupid questions since very few have tried it.
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 Greggle   United States. July 12 2012 04:03. Posts 1104
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People really think the Lurker model looks better? I always thought it looked lazy and shitty. It just looks like a blob of zergy shit. It looked much better in BW.
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 Archerofaiur   United States. July 12 2012 04:04. Posts 4057
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On July 12 2012 04:03 Tedde93 wrote:
Which unit is more fun to play with is a pretty stupid questions since very few have tried it.


Was gonna word it "which unit do you think will be more fun to play" but it just sounded weird.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
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 Vindicare605   United States. July 12 2012 04:05. Posts 6496
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They aren't meant for the same role. The Lurker cannot be added back in because Zerg already has enough splash damage. Not sure why people haven't figured this out yet. You can't just add in whatever unit from SC1 you want at this point and expect it to fit without being imbalanced.
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 Tonttu   Finland. July 12 2012 04:05. Posts 581
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Swarm host is a bit boring looking unit. Also it functions like a broodlord, but is a ground unit.. Lurker is cooler for a spectator, because lurker doesn't just sit there spamming little bugs, but actually attacks itself powerful attacks that can obliterate anything if not paying attention.


On July 12 2012 04:03 Greggle wrote:
People really think the Lurker model looks better? I always thought it looked lazy and shitty. It just looks like a blob of zergy shit. It looked much better in BW.


That may be because Lurker was scrapped like 2 years ago and since not being used anywhere.
Last edit: 2012-07-12 04:07:18
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 EmperorKira   United Kingdom. July 12 2012 04:05. Posts 107
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How about, we wait till we get our hands on it?
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 KarneEspada   United States. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 39
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On July 12 2012 04:03 Greggle wrote:
People really think the Lurker model looks better? I always thought it looked lazy and shitty. It just looks like a blob of zergy shit. It looked much better in BW.

Yeah the sc2 transfer makes it look so silly. Will always be the better unit though!
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 algorithm0r   Canada. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 471
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Sad to say that a BW vs SC2 thread is not really helpful. Blizz won't bring back the lurker so focus on ways to abuse the swarm host!
 
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 Sultan.P   United States. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 626
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Lurker all the way. I mean the swarm host is just a bad imitation of the lurker and I have no idea why Blizz is so insistent on putting it in the game.
 
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 Vindicare605   United States. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 6496
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On July 12 2012 04:05 Tonttu wrote:
Swarm host is a bit boring looking unit. Also it functions like a broodlord, but is a ground unit.. Lurker is cooler for a spectator, because lurker doesn't just sit there spamming little bugs, but actually attacks itself powerful attacks that can obliterate anything if not paying attention.


It actually doesn't function anything like a Brood Lord.

Try playing with it in beta like a Brood Lord. You'll only end up wasting it.
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 aRyuujin   United States. July 12 2012 04:08. Posts 3146
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i think in game the current (sc2)lurker model looks terrible.
Lurker is still way more fun though than what the swarm host looks like.
Also, the swarm host just feels like a copy of the lurker, so most of us would just be annoyed regardless of how good it actually is
Last edit: 2012-07-12 04:08:34
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 zhurai   United States. July 12 2012 04:08. Posts 5559
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broodlord, swarmhost, infestor -> too many things that make more units ......
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  Berceno   Spain. July 12 2012 04:09. Posts 390Profile # 
this unit with the broodlord are gonna make me think that i'm playing DOTA2/LOL, and it's boring compared to the lurker , lurker attacks fast and with splash all the time, swarm host just burrow and throw shit every 35 seconds
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 ProxyKnoxy   United Kingdom. July 12 2012 04:10. Posts 2543
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I feel like they wanted to just have the lurker, but didn't want to just completely copy a BW unit.
Last edit: 2012-07-12 04:10:33
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  Toastie.NL   Netherlands. July 12 2012 04:10. Posts 232Profile # 
What I like about the lurker is it's ability to control space. Though its attack overlaps with the infestor. On the other hand, I'd rather ser the lurker and fungal becoming a root spell AND get the swarmhost.
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 Antylamon   United States. July 12 2012 04:12. Posts 1364
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The Lurker would NOT break up deathball play. Toss would just use obs to detect and Colossi to outrange.

Plus, Lurker would be Hive tech, ruining its BW purpose of delaying the game until Hive tech. Ultralisks and Brood Lords overshadow it completely, and the Lurker would barely see any use except for containing, harassing, etc.

Nobody seems to understand what it means for Lurkers to be Hive tech -.-
Last edit: 2012-07-12 04:14:13
 
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 MNdakota   United States. July 12 2012 04:15. Posts 498
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Why not have the Lurker back but with the Swarm Host model? Would look pretty sick. Spines coming out of those holes on their backs. Ew, gross. I like it!
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 desarrisc   Canada. July 12 2012 04:16. Posts 225
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Swarm Host is the midgame-brood lord. Fungals control space + Locusts nibble on the units/tank damage for the infestors. Better combo than Lurker + infestor imo.

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