| Archerofaiur United States. July 12 2012 04:00. Posts 4057 | Profile # |
LURKER VS SWARM HOST
Since not everyone has tried out these units, you can play them on these mods.
Lets get this off the bat, I love the Lurker... but I also love the Swarm Host. The Lurker was just about my favorite unit to use in Brood War. I remember racing to demolish Fenix's base with them. And when I first started following Esports the pros use of Lurker micro (and marine counter micro) made me drop my jaw.
However, when I saw the unveiling of the Swarm Host this past year my mind was blown. Unlimited units? For me? A twisted monstrosity and its brood the very definition of swarmy. Not only that but could locust attack air too! Everything I want in zerg innovation.
And so I come to you Teamliquid. Help me decide which unit belongs in Starcraft 2. Ive compiled a list of advantages for each and would be happy to add any others you can think of. Then rank which unit is the best in the categories of aesthetics, fun, competitive gameplay and overall.
Lurker Stats:
+ Show Spoiler +Lurker
Cost M/G/BT/S: 50 100 33 3
Attributes; Biological, Armored
Ground Attack: 15
Bonus: +15 vs armored
Range: 6 (+3 Seismic Spines)
Cooldown: 3.08 s
Health/Defense: 200 1
Lurker Advantages:
+ Show Spoiler +Board Control
Area of Effect Damage (possibly helps break up deathball play)
Marine dodging Micro
Burst Damage
Anti-armor
Surprise gank (hold lurkers)
Turtling
Ramp camping
Containment
Slowing pushes
Lurker Videos
Swarm Host Stats:
+ Show Spoiler +Swarm Host
Cost M/G/BT/S: 200 100 40 3
Attributes: Armored, Biological
Ground Attack: Spawns Locust every 25 seconds
Health/Defense: 120 1
Locust
Life span: 15 (25 seconds upgraded)
Health: 65
Speed: 1.88
Attack Damage: 16
Attack Range: 2
Swarm Host Advantages
+ Show Spoiler +Not Burst Damage (differentiates it from Siege Tank)
Can control the stream of unit production (constant vs all at once) by choosing when each burrows
A new unit (potentially new strategies)
Locust can attack air
Force engagements
Loooong range
Swarmy
Tier 2
Swarm Host Videos
Poll: Which unit looks cooler?Lurker (1231) 67% Swarm Host (607) 33% 1838 total votes Your vote: Which unit looks cooler? (Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host
Poll: Which unit is more fun to play with?Lurker (1206) 83% Swarm Host (246) 17% 1452 total votes Your vote: Which unit is more fun to play with? (Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host
Poll: Which unit is better for spectators/ESPORTS?Lurker (1197) 84% Swarm Host (222) 16% 1419 total votes Your vote: Which unit is better for spectators/ESPORTS? (Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host
Poll: Which unit would you rather see in HOTS?Lurker (1287) 79% Swarm Host (349) 21% 1636 total votes Your vote: Which unit would you rather see in HOTS? (Vote): Lurker
(Vote): Swarm Host
Stats from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2Last edit: 2012-07-18 03:18:29 |
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| NexCa Germany. July 12 2012 04:02. Posts 841 | Profile # | |
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| Tedde93 Sweden. July 12 2012 04:03. Posts 168 | Profile # |
| Which unit is more fun to play with is a pretty stupid questions since very few have tried it. |
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| Greggle United States. July 12 2012 04:03. Posts 1105 | Profile # |
| People really think the Lurker model looks better? I always thought it looked lazy and shitty. It just looks like a blob of zergy shit. It looked much better in BW. |
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| Archerofaiur United States. July 12 2012 04:04. Posts 4057 | Profile # |
On July 12 2012 04:03 Tedde93 wrote:
Which unit is more fun to play with is a pretty stupid questions since very few have tried it.
Was gonna word it "which unit do you think will be more fun to play" but it just sounded weird. |
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| Vindicare605 United States. July 12 2012 04:05. Posts 6502 | Profile Blog # |
| They aren't meant for the same role. The Lurker cannot be added back in because Zerg already has enough splash damage. Not sure why people haven't figured this out yet. You can't just add in whatever unit from SC1 you want at this point and expect it to fit without being imbalanced. |
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| Tonttu Finland. July 12 2012 04:05. Posts 581 | Profile # |
Swarm host is a bit boring looking unit. Also it functions like a broodlord, but is a ground unit.. Lurker is cooler for a spectator, because lurker doesn't just sit there spamming little bugs, but actually attacks itself powerful attacks that can obliterate anything if not paying attention.
On July 12 2012 04:03 Greggle wrote:
People really think the Lurker model looks better? I always thought it looked lazy and shitty. It just looks like a blob of zergy shit. It looked much better in BW.
That may be because Lurker was scrapped like 2 years ago and since not being used anywhere.Last edit: 2012-07-12 04:07:18 |
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| EmperorKira United Kingdom. July 12 2012 04:05. Posts 107 | Profile # |
| How about, we wait till we get our hands on it? |
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| KarneEspada United States. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 39 | Profile # |
On July 12 2012 04:03 Greggle wrote:
People really think the Lurker model looks better? I always thought it looked lazy and shitty. It just looks like a blob of zergy shit. It looked much better in BW.
Yeah the sc2 transfer makes it look so silly. Will always be the better unit though! |
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| algorithm0r Canada. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 471 | Profile # |
| Sad to say that a BW vs SC2 thread is not really helpful. Blizz won't bring back the lurker so focus on ways to abuse the swarm host! |
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| Sultan.P United States. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 627 | Profile # |
| Lurker all the way. I mean the swarm host is just a bad imitation of the lurker and I have no idea why Blizz is so insistent on putting it in the game. |
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| Vindicare605 United States. July 12 2012 04:06. Posts 6502 | Profile Blog # |
On July 12 2012 04:05 Tonttu wrote:
Swarm host is a bit boring looking unit. Also it functions like a broodlord, but is a ground unit.. Lurker is cooler for a spectator, because lurker doesn't just sit there spamming little bugs, but actually attacks itself powerful attacks that can obliterate anything if not paying attention.
It actually doesn't function anything like a Brood Lord.
Try playing with it in beta like a Brood Lord. You'll only end up wasting it. |
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| aRyuujin United States. July 12 2012 04:08. Posts 3146 | Profile Blog # |
i think in game the current (sc2)lurker model looks terrible.
Lurker is still way more fun though than what the swarm host looks like.
Also, the swarm host just feels like a copy of the lurker, so most of us would just be annoyed regardless of how good it actually isLast edit: 2012-07-12 04:08:34 |
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| zhurai United States. July 12 2012 04:08. Posts 5560 | Profile Blog # |
| broodlord, swarmhost, infestor -> too many things that make more units ...... |
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| Berceno Spain. July 12 2012 04:09. Posts 391 | Profile # |
| this unit with the broodlord are gonna make me think that i'm playing DOTA2/LOL, and it's boring compared to the lurker , lurker attacks fast and with splash all the time, swarm host just burrow and throw shit every 35 seconds |
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| ProxyKnoxy United Kingdom. July 12 2012 04:10. Posts 2543 | Profile # |
| I feel like they wanted to just have the lurker, but didn't want to just completely copy a BW unit. Last edit: 2012-07-12 04:10:33 |
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 Toastie.NL Netherlands. July 12 2012 04:10. Posts 232 | Profile # |
| What I like about the lurker is it's ability to control space. Though its attack overlaps with the infestor. On the other hand, I'd rather ser the lurker and fungal becoming a root spell AND get the swarmhost. |
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| Antylamon United States. July 12 2012 04:12. Posts 1373 | Profile # |
The Lurker would NOT break up deathball play. Toss would just use obs to detect and Colossi to outrange.
Plus, Lurker would be Hive tech, ruining its BW purpose of delaying the game until Hive tech. Ultralisks and Brood Lords overshadow it completely, and the Lurker would barely see any use except for containing, harassing, etc.
Nobody seems to understand what it means for Lurkers to be Hive tech -.-Last edit: 2012-07-12 04:14:13 |
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| MNdakota United States. July 12 2012 04:15. Posts 498 | Profile # |
Why not have the Lurker back but with the Swarm Host model? Would look pretty sick. Spines coming out of those holes on their backs. Ew, gross. I like it!  |
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| desarrisc Canada. July 12 2012 04:16. Posts 225 | Profile Blog # |
Swarm Host is the midgame-brood lord. Fungals control space + Locusts nibble on the units/tank damage for the infestors. Better combo than Lurker + infestor imo.
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