| RFDaemoniac United States. July 12 2012 09:41. Posts 324 | Profile # |
In-Game Description:
Basic: Beware the Jabberwock!
Extended: Ten bases between two players are vulnerable to a number of attack paths. Snicker Snack.
Inspiration:
I saw a remake of Sanshorn Mist from the beta and really liked the middle, and then chose a modified entombed valley 3 base, but making it a little more vulnerable to ground attacks and to blink/cliff jumpers. I have since changed the main/nat/third, encouraging a diagonal split rather than a horizontal split that Sanshorn Mist does.
Aesthetics
I wanted to go for a green/purple look to the map, but haven't had a chance to place any doodads as I just made this today (from start to finish).
The symbols in the bases are original by me. I haven't placed anything other than ground designs.
Data (Aesthetics):- Texture Set:
- Ulnar Hull 2
- Ulnar Hull 3
- Zhakul'Das Mercury Cracks
- Agria Grass Green
- Char Dirt Light
- Shakul'Das Dirt Rough
- Shakuras Sand Dark
- Cliff Type:
- Shakuras Organic Cliffs
Pictures (Gameplay):
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Data (Gameplay):- Playable Bounds: 156x120
- Main Choke <-> Main Choke Distance(s): 50 seconds
- Nat Choke <-> Nat Choke Distance(s): 36 seconds
- Mineral/Gas Counts: All bases have 8m2g
- Resource/Size: 170000 / (156 * 120) = 9.1
Further Balance Comments:
I'm worried about the natural and third not having enough room for a comfortable army.
The three small cardinal ramps have rocks at the top to allow you to block off. Because they are not going to be where you defend in the early game I felt that using cardinal ramps was okay. They still split up an army that's trying to move through.
The high ground third is very far away from the natural, so I made the far choke smaller in order to make forcefields better. Terrans will probably have to hold it with a PF, but this doesn't bother me.
I like the idea of in PvZ or TvZ the conflict coming up pretty quickly when both of you take your third, as they will be very close together. This might give an advantage to the T or P against Z, but because the T or P third is farther away from the natural it should give zerg a nice space to counterattack and force the T or P army back.
I've moved the low ground third much closer to the main after seeing some very 1 sided PvZs, It could have been because of difference in skill and I'd like to be able to move it back, so we'll see...
Changelog
+ Show Spoiler +0.2 - original map
0.5 - new base layout
lowered outermost paths to level 1
new texturing
some doodad/decal placement
size increased to make room for new base layout
0.6 - changed secondary ramp from natural
moved low ground 3rd closer
changed cliffs around low ground 3rd
tightened choke at high ground third
0.8 - moved low ground third closer to main
Much love,
RFDaemoniacLast edit: 2012-08-22 04:49:56 |
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| Gfire United States. July 12 2012 10:02. Posts 1479 | Profile # |
Nice map. Seems pretty solid to me. I like the central structure, that's really cool.
I'm wondering if, maybe, you should switch the large and small ramps on the northern and southern high grounds. This way, the small ramp is out towards the edge where it can be used for harassment or a runby, and the wide one can be used for army movement, without having to pull your army way out to the edge. |
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| -NegativeZero- United States. July 12 2012 10:16. Posts 583 | Profile # |
On July 12 2012 10:02 Gfire wrote:
Nice map. Seems pretty solid to me. I like the central structure, that's really cool.
I'm wondering if, maybe, you should switch the large and small ramps on the northern and southern high grounds. This way, the small ramp is out towards the edge where it can be used for harassment or a runby, and the wide one can be used for army movement, without having to pull your army way out to the edge.
Isn't the central structure lifted straight from Sanshorn Mists?
Edit: it's in the description, i am retarded.Last edit: 2012-07-12 10:18:51 |
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| Gfire United States. July 12 2012 10:20. Posts 1479 | Profile # |
On July 12 2012 10:16 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:02 Gfire wrote:
Nice map. Seems pretty solid to me. I like the central structure, that's really cool.
I'm wondering if, maybe, you should switch the large and small ramps on the northern and southern high grounds. This way, the small ramp is out towards the edge where it can be used for harassment or a runby, and the wide one can be used for army movement, without having to pull your army way out to the edge.
Isn't the central structure lifted straight from Sanshorn Mists? Edit: it's in the description, i am retarded.
Yes, but you can't see anything on the Sanshorn Mist overview so I don't think that counts. |
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| Yonnua United Kingdom. July 12 2012 10:23. Posts 1037 | Profile Blog # |
| I feel like the natural is a bit cramped and I'm assuming there isn't meant to be pathing on the cliff above the natural (editor says there is)? |
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| Gfire United States. July 12 2012 10:25. Posts 1479 | Profile # |
On July 12 2012 10:23 Yonnua wrote:
I feel like the natural is a bit cramped and I'm assuming there isn't meant to be pathing on the cliff above the natural (editor says there is)?
Analyzer sometimes shows those things incorrectly.
Since when was Sanshorn Mist a Brood War map? I didn't know. Where can I see that? |
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| GGOPphatpak United States. July 12 2012 10:30. Posts 76 | Profile # |
this just looks like entombed valley but 2 player lol
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| RFDaemoniac United States. July 12 2012 13:51. Posts 324 | Profile # |
| Thanks, I'm definitely going to switch those ramp sizes. The high grounds are meant to be unpathable, it just slipped my mind as this is a map that I pulled together today. |
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| monitor United States. July 12 2012 13:54. Posts 2276 | Profile Blog # |
| Sanshorn Mist was never a Brood War map actually. Konicki made it in the beta, and Superouman remade it for the AE map pack. |
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| RFDaemoniac United States. July 12 2012 15:35. Posts 324 | Profile # |
Ahh, thanks for the clarification. It was just made for the Brood Mod then  |
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| RFDaemoniac United States. July 22 2012 13:01. Posts 324 | Profile # |
So I've made changes to the map, re-doing the base layout and changing the outer paths, as well as moving the bases that used to be on the outer paths to the middle ring.
The changes to the main/natural have increased the rush distance, but I don't think it's too long.
I'm considering re-doing the main/natural and open third again to look like this, which do you prefer?
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EDIT: added spoiler tagsLast edit: 2012-07-25 23:41:00 |
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| Fatam July 22 2012 18:21. Posts 929 | Profile # |
This is pretty significantly different from Entombed, I don't know how you could draw that conclusion. Yes there are rocks to one side of your natural but there is no 3rd on the other side of them lol just a ramp down to the middle area and (eventually) there's a base but it's pretty far away. The rest of the map is -completely- dissimilar to Entombed. The comments some people here make.. lol.
I'm a tad surprised no one has QQ'ed about how far away the 3rd is here. I never have a problem with weird or interesting features but most people want things to be super standard. |
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| Shkudde Netherlands. July 22 2012 18:46. Posts 428 | Profile # |
On July 22 2012 18:21 Fatam wrote:
This is pretty significantly different from Entombed, I don't know how you could draw that conclusion. Yes there are rocks to one side of your natural but there is no 3rd on the other side of them lol just a ramp down to the middle area and (eventually) there's a base but it's pretty far away. The rest of the map is -completely- dissimilar to Entombed. The comments some people here make.. lol.
I'm a tad surprised no one has QQ'ed about how far away the 3rd is here. I never have a problem with weird or interesting features but most people want things to be super standard.
Check the previous version of the map to see the comparison with Entombed.
And I kinda agree about the third, I'd think the middle-highground would be the standard third for terran and toss, and that would be pretty hard to hold without a PF. 2base-toss ftw?
I love the aesthetics and the rest of the lay-out though, very nicely done. |
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 X3GoldDot Malaysia. July 22 2012 19:23. Posts 3840 | Profile # |
| third is so legendarily far away... |
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 Aunvilgod July 22 2012 20:49. Posts 2031 | Profile # |
Nice map. All possible thirds are really far away though. I think you might hace to spread out too thin to hold.
Nice job on the cliff structure! One of the very best I´ve seen so far! |
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| RFDaemoniac United States. July 25 2012 23:42. Posts 324 | Profile # |
I've moved the low ground third closer and tightened the choke at the high ground third (see updated overview)
Do you think this makes the thirds more manageable or should the changes be much more drastic?
If it needs to be more drastic, do you have any suggestions for how to move the high ground third closer? I like having that low ground path between the natural and third.
I considered moving the low ground third to the outer edge of the map where the secondary ramp is atm, and moving that secondary ramp to underneath the rocks. However I like the tension that the low ground of one side and high ground third of the other creates in TvZ or PvZ |
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| WniO United States. July 26 2012 01:23. Posts 2704 | Profile Blog # |
| pretty sure this is agria valley. but i like the take on it. |
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| EatThePath United States. July 26 2012 01:50. Posts 2439 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 01:23 WniO wrote:
pretty sure this is agria valley. but i like the take on it.
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| RFDaemoniac United States. July 29 2012 01:53. Posts 324 | Profile # |
I've brought the low ground third much closer to the main/natural and changed the ramp with the rocks to be more standard.
I definitely see the similarities to Agria Valley Last edit: 2012-07-29 01:54:28 |
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| a3den July 29 2012 02:12. Posts 471 | Profile # |
| I'd like the outer paths to be a littel bit wider, the corner expo feels a little too safe to me. |
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