Mad Men Mafia - Page 14

(Pregame!): clicky! I'm joking around, he picks up the joke, Marv does so as well but VE isn't getting that Marv's just joking around when it was preeeetty obvious. Seems like he's nervous to me? Or was that some kind of anti-joke I'm not getting?

Clicky! Looks kind of try-hard to me. Obviously Zeph is fooling around or at least (if he's mafia) trying to make it look like he's carelessly fooling around. I doubt this honestly was an attempt to get a random lynch. It would be fine if VE pointed that out but the 2nd paragraph is weird. Why does he have to rub that in everyone's faces? "LOOK GUYS I DON'T WANT TO RND-LYNCH BECAUSE THAT's BAD". No shit sherlock. Yet he feels the urge to tell everyone about that. Looks to me like someone desperatly trying to get townie-points. But this is VE, he does weird shit every time so idk...

Clicky! Big shiny text about how masons should claim. I totally disagree with him. It was a desaster in L. We lost a complete cycle, got no advantage, everyone eneded up being paranoid because obviously one group (pro-claim or anti-claim) had to be mentally retarded or scum to be stupid enough to not agree with ones self conclusion according to everyone in the game.

Clicky! The big thing, with multiple [big]'s and [b] in his most recent post was "MASON CLAIMS". Not "MASONS CLAIM MAYBE?" or something else, it was Mason claims. Now he proceeds to tell people he doesn't think it's a good idea for masons to claim and only wanted to talk about the idea? The fuck?

Tclicky! Completly disagree with him. A Mason is probably one of the strongest town roles in existence and he calls them worthless. Surely it's incredible dangerous because you could end up getting influenced if you hit mafia but a 2nd point of view is the best thing that can possibly happen to any townie to make sure he's staying objective and not just ranting about someone because he doesn't like the dude.
That being said Talis usually posts the truth about what he's thinking d1 no matter of alignment, so he really thinks so either way. But there are some BIG issues in his post.
It's just not thought trough.

• 1) They are not worthless, Masons are incredible strong. Strong to a point that they might end up being dangerous. THAT's a proper reason to want them claimed if there's mafia masons as well.
  THAT's the reason we had masons claimed in L, because BC thought they are to strong to run around when there's mafia masons as well.
  What Talis said is the complete opposite of that.
  
• 2) Mason is worthless for scum? The fuck? Ultimate manipulating role in existence is kinda worthless for mafia? Especially if they can choose who gets to be the mason? WBG-Mafia-Mason would be incredibly scary. I wouldn't want to play against that.
  
• 3) is speculation and completly wrong according to what I saw in the past. I think in L it was something like 5 town masons vs 2 mafia masons if I remember correctly?
  
• 4) It gives little to no information to town while giving a shitton of information to mafia. Do they want to hit masons because they think they're dangerous? Awesome hit masons. Do they want to hit other blue roles instead? Awesome, hit whoever is not a mason and your chances to hit a blue are way better.
  
• 5) The biggest issue: If you are masoned you don't claim. Ever. If you are masoned you either got masoned because someone thinks you're scum and wants to sacrifice himself to catch you with a trap in PM-Land for a 1v1 trade (highly unlikely but possible) or you got masoned because the guy thinks it's highly likely you are town and wants to talk with you to get another point of view on reads, to make sure he stays objective. So claiming you got masoned is basicly telling mafia "sup, someone think's I'm the most likely guy to be a townie IN THE GAME. Pretty please don't shoot me though". I don't like outing townreads and I don't like outing the strongest townread someone has either.