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| strongandbig United States. August 03 2012 23:54. Posts 3253 | Profile Blog # |
| wbg how do you feel about random lynching? |
| | [QUOTE][B]On March 20 2013 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote:[/B] I don't know much about Coag, but he doesn't seem like the type of guy who goes against the grain just for kicks. [/QUOTE] |
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| strongandbig United States. August 03 2012 23:55. Posts 3253 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them.
errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but...
I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please.
hahahahahahaha okay |
| | [QUOTE][B]On March 20 2013 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote:[/B] I don't know much about Coag, but he doesn't seem like the type of guy who goes against the grain just for kicks. [/QUOTE] |
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| Zephirdd Brazil. August 03 2012 23:56. Posts 4520 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them.
errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but...
I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please.
oh oh oh I know why not hammer him right now!
Deadline is on saturday. No one is lynched until then. You can't hammer someone right now |
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| Lazermonkey Sweden. August 03 2012 23:56. Posts 1131 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 22:27 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:44 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Toad: I don't agree with masoned players not claiming. You say that the most likely player to be masoned is someone who looks town, I agree with that. But your argument is that scum will have an easier time to make a good NK kill because of that. People will be posting town reads none the les so I don't see this as much of an issue. One town read will most probebly not be the main reason for a Nk and if there are alot of people suspecting that person to be town, he is very likely to be killed anyway.Also, if the masoned players claim right before night we can prevent a night kill on these players at least for that night.
Basically, this is the only negative thing I can think of with people claiming masoned. But the advantages for this is way bigger.
Just to remind you, this was the question:
On August 03 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:09 Lazermonkey wrote:
On August 03 2012 17:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I really don't see a reason for someone NOT to claim if they get masoned. One might argue that it let's scum get one of the few pieces of info that they've not already recived, however I don't really see how scum would be able to capitalize on the fact that there are town masons in the game.
Okay, when thinking of it, there might be some situations that people claiming masoned might be usefull for scum. But Town will most likely gain more from claiming than scum. Masoned players SHOULD claim.
What kind of reaction would that trigger?I can't think of one to be honest.
Yes, this means scum will also know how many masons there are, however scum already have two advantages here. 1. They already know whether or not there is a scum mason. 2. If one scum ever gets masoned all scum will know who is that that person is scum mason whilest if town gets masoned and we decide that they shouldn't claim, only that person will know who is the mason. There is more to gain for town than for scum by claiming.
If you treat it as information we want to use that IS a pretty big if, isn't it? Let's say we're in a situation with 3 town masons and 1 mafia mason for the sake of getting some numbers. Let's say the 3 town masons get claimed, the 1 mafia mason won't be claimed. What's the next step? "Woah, we've got EXACTLY 3 masons, one of them is bound to be mafia! Let's lynch into them!" ? If that's not the next step, what good is the information? You said yourself, we're going to know the exact number of masons, while saying that it's very much possible that the number will be wrong. That's kind of contradicting imo.
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm not part of the mason circles I guess /sad
Toad, why insta-voting VE? I know you had some suspicion of him, but did you consider that VE sounded overly cautious because he is a mason? That's what I get at least.
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason?
kind of.
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| Erandorr August 03 2012 23:58. Posts 1659 | Profile Blog # |
| Yo you guys. You actually don't use "reason" or "arguments" you just sit there and talk shit. If you disagree with me, point out mistakes you think I made instead of shitting out terrible posts |
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| Erandorr August 04 2012 00:00. Posts 1659 | Profile Blog # |
strongandbig, your posts are completely worthless one liners.
Right now, tell me what you think about what wbg did. Do you agree with him outing the masons? Why do you think he did it? Do you think he is rather town or scum? |
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| Lazermonkey Sweden. August 04 2012 00:00. Posts 1131 | Profile # |
| EBWOP: So essentially even if we are wrong about the number of masons it's good for us. |
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| talismania United States. August 04 2012 00:03. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
response to toad:
+ Show Spoiler +Yo what? Of course you should claim if someone masons you. Mason isn't mason this game, your whole post with references to other games makes it seem like you think it's as powerful as normal. Masons aren't masons. They're interviewers or something. Claiming you're masond' just says "yo I was mason'd and I have a message log with another player". It's essentially having access to extra posts from someone, which means more for the thread to chew on when the time is right to share those logs. That's information. That's good. Your objection to it is weird - because it might be giving scum away that you're a town read of someone?
Ok ok first off that's just silly. You and I have both been scum together and that sort of thing doesn't really factor in to night kill decisions. I don't think we ever talked about who town thinks is townie. We were more interested in who we could get lynched. Also what lazermanguy said.
Secondly I don't understand your logic in getting there. town masons, if you're out there and reading this: Don't pick someone you think is really town and want to bounce your ideas off of. That's just silly as hell. Pick someone you're unsure of, so you get the chance to pick their brains in private. Or pick someone you think is scum, for the same reason.
Your post also makes reference to people getting mason'd being scared of being influenced. WHAT. Who the hell in this game is actually scared of being influenced by someone that masons you? I know you aren't because I know you aren't. Show me someone who is. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. August 04 2012 00:05. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 23:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 22:27 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 03 2012 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:44 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Toad: I don't agree with masoned players not claiming. You say that the most likely player to be masoned is someone who looks town, I agree with that. But your argument is that scum will have an easier time to make a good NK kill because of that. People will be posting town reads none the les so I don't see this as much of an issue. One town read will most probebly not be the main reason for a Nk and if there are alot of people suspecting that person to be town, he is very likely to be killed anyway.Also, if the masoned players claim right before night we can prevent a night kill on these players at least for that night.
Basically, this is the only negative thing I can think of with people claiming masoned. But the advantages for this is way bigger.
Just to remind you, this was the question:
On August 03 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 03 2012 20:09 Lazermonkey wrote:
On August 03 2012 17:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I really don't see a reason for someone NOT to claim if they get masoned. One might argue that it let's scum get one of the few pieces of info that they've not already recived, however I don't really see how scum would be able to capitalize on the fact that there are town masons in the game.
Okay, when thinking of it, there might be some situations that people claiming masoned might be usefull for scum. But Town will most likely gain more from claiming than scum. Masoned players SHOULD claim.
What kind of reaction would that trigger?I can't think of one to be honest.
Yes, this means scum will also know how many masons there are, however scum already have two advantages here. 1. They already know whether or not there is a scum mason. 2. If one scum ever gets masoned all scum will know who is that that person is scum mason whilest if town gets masoned and we decide that they shouldn't claim, only that person will know who is the mason. There is more to gain for town than for scum by claiming.
If you treat it as information we want to use that IS a pretty big if, isn't it? Let's say we're in a situation with 3 town masons and 1 mafia mason for the sake of getting some numbers. Let's say the 3 town masons get claimed, the 1 mafia mason won't be claimed. What's the next step? "Woah, we've got EXACTLY 3 masons, one of them is bound to be mafia! Let's lynch into them!" ? If that's not the next step, what good is the information? You said yourself, we're going to know the exact number of masons, while saying that it's very much possible that the number will be wrong. That's kind of contradicting imo.
On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote:
I'm not part of the mason circles I guess /sad
Toad, why insta-voting VE? I know you had some suspicion of him, but did you consider that VE sounded overly cautious because he is a mason? That's what I get at least.
Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason?
kind of.
That's not what I said. In the situation you describe we can't assume that any of the masons are scum. There are no guarantees for scum mason. However, In the situation you describe, we have effectivly turned a quite strong scum mason into a weak vanilla scum. We are in an advantage we wouldn't have been in if we wouldn't claim masoned.
Well Talis said he'd like to do something like that earlier, so surely it's going to be a shitstorm of people arguing wether we should lynch into them or not.
At the same time we're giving mafia better odds at killing people they want to kill instead of just killing people.
I don't think that's to good.
And again, we don't know what kind of scenario could be true. You basicly just said "well in that situation we don't lynch because we don't know if we have a mafiamason".
So the mafias don't have to hide their masons according to you, because we're not lynching into them, because even it it were 3, 4 or 5 or 6 masons, we can't know for sure that one of them has to be a mafia mason, right?
In that scenario we got nothing at all while giving mafia better odds. |
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| talismania United States. August 04 2012 00:06. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? |
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| Toadesstern Germany. August 04 2012 00:07. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On August 04 2012 00:03 talismania wrote:response to toad: + Show Spoiler +Yo what? Of course you should claim if someone masons you. Mason isn't mason this game, your whole post with references to other games makes it seem like you think it's as powerful as normal. Masons aren't masons. They're interviewers or something. Claiming you're masond' just says "yo I was mason'd and I have a message log with another player". It's essentially having access to extra posts from someone, which means more for the thread to chew on when the time is right to share those logs. That's information. That's good. Your objection to it is weird - because it might be giving scum away that you're a town read of someone?
Ok ok first off that's just silly. You and I have both been scum together and that sort of thing doesn't really factor in to night kill decisions. I don't think we ever talked about who town thinks is townie. We were more interested in who we could get lynched. Also what lazermanguy said.
Secondly I don't understand your logic in getting there. town masons, if you're out there and reading this: Don't pick someone you think is really town and want to bounce your ideas off of. That's just silly as hell. Pick someone you're unsure of, so you get the chance to pick their brains in private. Or pick someone you think is scum, for the same reason.
Your post also makes reference to people getting mason'd being scared of being influenced. WHAT. Who the hell in this game is actually scared of being influenced by someone that masons you? I know you aren't because I know you aren't. Show me someone who is.
All my references were references to L.
L used the same kind of masons we have in this game.
Read the game. Read what BC posted in that game. When you're done come back and try again. |
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| talismania United States. August 04 2012 00:08. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
| yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? |
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| Toadesstern Germany. August 04 2012 00:11. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg?
highly depends on wether or not some people are trolling on purpose to look like stupid idiots to fish for reactions. |
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| Erandorr August 04 2012 00:17. Posts 1659 | Profile Blog # |
On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE?
Sorry , i was busy bashing my head against a wall.
I am leaning town on toad right now, but its not concrete yet.
VE is probably scum with WBG. Its the only real way his move makes any sense. There are other small things I dislike, but I really don't want to focus on him right now. Burn WBG with fire first.
Glasse is more important before he gets lynched by a retard mob.
He is the definition of an easy lynch right now. At least for some people , apparantly. Could he be scum? Sure.
Could he be bad town? Sure. Should we focus on him instead of the proven player who did something completely anti town shits out 1 liners as well? Nope.
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| wherebugsgo United States. August 04 2012 00:20. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. |
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| Glasse Canada. August 04 2012 00:24. Posts 1151 | Profile # |
On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up.
This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy.
I wanted WBG to answer the questions...
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote:
Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that.
...Jingle, you can read just fine.
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote:
On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote:
Why don't you like wherebugsgo?
Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs.
All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz)
To me, wherebugsgo either called out 2 blues for mafia or both are his scum buddies and he's trying to make them look less suspicious by calling them out.
Right now, neither of the 2 came in the thread to call bullshit on him so it's either 2 blues that don't care they were called out, its probably not 2 random fake call outs at this point, it can be 2 reds and they planned this.
Then he comes in and tries to defend wherebugsgo blindly.
I'll let you decide who is the scum in here.
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| Toadesstern Germany. August 04 2012 00:35. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments.
For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits:
One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments.
Two, they're both awful as town.
Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence.
Question: Did prplhz do that on purpose? |
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| talismania United States. August 04 2012 00:37. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
On August 04 2012 00:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg?
highly depends on wether or not some people are trolling on purpose to look like stupid idiots to fish for reactions.
that's fine, give me the different scenarios in your mind |
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| talismania United States. August 04 2012 00:39. Posts 2364 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:51 strongandbig wrote:
On August 03 2012 21:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though.
Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them.
errandorr I was kind of hoping you would address this without being prompted but...
I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please.
can you walk me through your thought process a little more? It seemed like you were against masons being in public given your agreement with toad. So why did you risk outing yourself? |
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| Toadesstern Germany. August 04 2012 00:43. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On August 04 2012 00:37 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:11 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg?
highly depends on wether or not some people are trolling on purpose to look like stupid idiots to fish for reactions.
that's fine, give me the different scenarios in your mind
Well if prplhz believes in what he posted either he or WBG has to be mafia, maybe even both.
I don't think prplhz is that stupid therefore I'm leaning town on both of WBG and Prplhz so far and think Prplhz posted something like "that" to get some reactions. To see wether or not people are jumping on the train and yell "yeah let's lynch that mofu, totally agree!".
I think eran is town right now.
I think VE is mafia right now.
I think I don't have a clue about glasses alignment right now and I doubt anyone else has one 12 hours into the game when half the people haven't posted, when the "case" on him was made when he had something like 3 posts. He is a true-random for me right now. |
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