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Synystyr
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On August 01 2012 12:41 Zephirdd wrote: pregame tips: the more you post, the better. Or maybe you're leading me on :o | ||
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On August 03 2012 10:18 prplhz wrote: op says 11pm est That's an hour and a half from now then. | ||
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On August 03 2012 12:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Do not claim immediately. The role is not alignment indicative and really just paints a target on you. There is no guarantee that there are both town and scum masons. I do not see a benefit to masons claiming. I agree with this perspective. It's going to do nothing but cause random finger pointing which will lead to a random lynching. So if I get this straight, one person dies by the end of the day before any action? | ||
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Man, scum Grush isn't based on him having opinions. It's based on him not activating his starsenses. He was dumb and trolly but mildly helpful in listing people somewhere, enough so that maju mentioned his starsenses in LV, and Grush then posted a list of suspects, although in Grush fashion. This time, NO STARSENSE. KURUMI RULE + NO STARSENSE REFERENCE = SCUM. from: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/hmrAdwKTNFm Dead obs thread for LVI Grush did mention starsenses in this thread, so this may be his way of tipping us off that he is town with us. However he's seems so trollish that this could mean nothing. I wouldn't go as far as to discredit this though. I'm still not a fan at all of WBG's idea to out masons this early. Whatever he says, it is a completely anti-town move and gives Mafia easy targets. WBG is also messing with our Vig's head on who to shoot. He may be directing the heat off of himself and onto the masons as targets, causing possible misfire. I believe Erandorr and VE are both town and WBG's play is to fuck with the Vig's head and get a misfire on either, while the Mafia target the other. | ||
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On August 04 2012 13:59 grush57 wrote: HOOK LINE SINKER WBG, MY TOWN META IS STARSENSES EBWOP: Grush post in question | ||
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grush and CountDropula are the most counterproductive people in this thread. They're being trollish for the sake of screwing with our heads and making us point fingers at each other instead of them. If they weren't scum, they'd be more helpful than they are now. Stop with the hints and talk straight at us. | ||
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On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote: Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him. He pushes this action to confuse town. If Sloosh dies in the night, it gives Talis tons of town cred because he said that medics should protect Sloosh. A little reverse psychology action too by claiming he would kill Sloosh if he were mafia. A hit on Sloosh appears to be be only negative for him and thus making him look innocent by association. On August 06 2012 02:47 talismania wrote: Forget WBG. If he wants to play, he'll play and we can go from there. If he wants to die, he'll vote for himself again and get modkilled. DTs! Please strongly consider checking into one of VE/Hassy. Or if you don't agree with me, at least check one of the masons He reflects heat off of his scum buddy and himself with this line. Many times throughout the thread, Talis gives WBG a onceover with a "probably town" read and then accuses someone new. Talis is scum with WBG and is trying to protect him. He also wants DTs to check other players other than himself/WBG to avoid being caught. On August 06 2012 17:16 talismania wrote: They roleblocked me as insurance in case I was medic. If I were medic, I would definitely have guarded sloosh. Mafia doesn't know how many medics there are. They may have thought I was medic and was trying to tell another one to guard with me because I was wary of a doublestack. Yes I still think it was a doublestack and I think grush was vig'd. We'll see when other people post if it gets claimed or not. On the last point I'm talking from the perspective of the mafia team trying to call me mafia so I'm talking as if I'm mafia. It's convoluted sounding but really pretty simple: mafia can RB a member of their own team, say a goon or mason or whatever. Then that person can claim RB'd, for some weak towncred. Mafia in RBing me knew I would be notified, but weren't worried about it making me look townie because they knew they would be able to argue that there was just an intra-mafia RB on me because I would want towncred. They pair that argument with all my stuff about protecting sloosh as further evidence that I want towncred. etc etc. He defends himself before anyone has even pointed a finger at him. This post feels like mafia bait to me, but is instead used so he can point fingers at the person who will make the argument and deflect heat off of him. With the death of Sloosh, it gives him an extremely concrete defense as a townie. Mafia team-roleblock him to make him look like a medic, then doublestack Sloosh in case of a medic. Talis' reasoning to medic sloosh was good, but other players like Toad, Erandorr and SnB come off as town to me and good candidates to be protected over sloosh in the night. There could have been two medics on Sloosh last night, but obviously that was not the case as Sloosh is dead. With that, Talis has everything to gain defensively and gives him a really powerful position to manipulate town as Mafia. His aggressive finger pointing without concrete evidence is his way of appearing town. I'm not buying it. ##Vote Talismana | ||
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On August 07 2012 02:35 talismania wrote: Synystyr So you're scum too!? The excitement/activity test strikes again :-) Seriously though I can't be certain I'm just OMGUSing but the case you just made against me is bad for almost the same reasons VE's was bad. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 01:07 Synystyr wrote: Talismania is scum. He pushes this action to confuse town. If Sloosh dies in the night, it gives Talis tons of town cred because he said that medics should protect Sloosh. A little reverse psychology action too by claiming he would kill Sloosh if he were mafia. A hit on Sloosh appears to be be only negative for him and thus making him look innocent by association. He reflects heat off of his scum buddy and himself with this line. Many times throughout the thread, Talis gives WBG a onceover with a "probably town" read and then accuses someone new. Talis is scum with WBG and is trying to protect him. He also wants DTs to check other players other than himself/WBG to avoid being caught. He defends himself before anyone has even pointed a finger at him. This post feels like mafia bait to me, but is instead used so he can point fingers at the person who will make the argument and deflect heat off of him. With the death of Sloosh, it gives him an extremely concrete defense as a townie. Mafia team-roleblock him to make him look like a medic, then doublestack Sloosh in case of a medic. Talis' reasoning to medic sloosh was good, but other players like Toad, Erandorr and SnB come off as town to me and good candidates to be protected over sloosh in the night. There could have been two medics on Sloosh last night, but obviously that was not the case as Sloosh is dead. With that, Talis has everything to gain defensively and gives him a really powerful position to manipulate town as Mafia. His aggressive finger pointing without concrete evidence is his way of appearing town. I'm not buying it. ##Vote Talismana 1) The NK and my alignment is nothing but WIFOM. I mean, help me out other people in this game, but on the outside I wouldn't look at sloosh dying and go "yep that must have been talismania he was doing it for towncred". It could have been, but it just as easily could not have been. It's literally pure WIFOM. So why is this a central plank in your case? By the way - raise your hand out there if you saw the night kill and gave me a ton of town cred. Anyone? 2) Are you really making the argument that I'm scum because WBG is scum, and you're not voting for WBG because you think I'm more likely to be scum yet some of that is predicated on WBG being scum and and and That's why connection cases don't work until you have a flip. For the record, I don't really know what to make of WBG. At the moment, I'm nursing the idea (which you conveniently missed me posting) that actually be scum just trying to get away with as much as possible as a test. Then he can be all superior and yell at us in the endgame. Your DT point also shows you didn't seriously make this case. It's like VE all over again. Yes I said (for good reason) that I would like DTs to check VE and hassy, two of my strongest scumreads at the time. Then I realized after sloosh posted that DTs were just rolecops, not alignment cops so I rescinded everything I said about DTs. But you ignore that completely. And come to think of it my ignorance of how DTs work (as well as toad) is kind of an unintentionally strong town tell. Scum would all know exactly how DTs work because their GF gets to pick what role he appears to DTs, so they would have discussed that somewhat (or at least read the role description) amongst themselves. 3) This is seriously the exact same stuff VE did. I'm "defending myself before anyone has pointed a finger at me" with regards to being roleblocked and the night actions? Well I guess if you took that post in isolation and assumed it was the first post I made on the subject, then yes. But guess what? That wasn't my first post. That was a clarification post. The first post, which you must have seen is here:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=43#850 And it's pretty clearly not me "defending myself before someone accuses me". No it's explaining why I think xsebt is likely to be town, because he seemed genuinely unaware of the correct scum argument. I was aware of the scum argument from daybreak, but there was no need to post it until then, when I think it's a very critical point to make as it directly speaks to this guy's alignment. You cherry-picked this case. What do you make of my case on VE? Does it look like scum wrote it or town wrote it? How and why? If you're going to call me scum, you're going to have to do it based on my whole filter. Weekends are simply very busy for me so I don't have time to post much during them. You'll see my activity increase over the week. Rest assured that I am green. I found you to be the person with the most to gain from Sloosh's death. I stand by my vote. This is the first case i've tried to build against someone, so there may be a few holes, but I wouldn't do it without good reasoning. Your claims on VE seem to be attacking his meta. I'm inclined to believe that you have some good points against him, but I simply don't know how VE has played in other games. I believe that at least one of the masons revealed is scum, and I lean towards VE more than anyone else. I'm interested to see what will happen with the two of you now that VE has masoned you. | ||
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