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| ghost_403 United States. August 07 2012 06:03. Posts 1753 | Profile # |
End of Day 4
![[image loading]](http://www.duncanchannon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/free-candy-van.jpg) Figure 6. LOOKS LEGIT.
Ange777 was tasked with investigating the building where Zorkmid "practiced" medicine. Her search of the first floor resulted in nothing interesting. Clearly, the examination rooms had never been used, but what would you expect from the practice of a man who graduated from John Hoppins university? As far as leads, this lead to nothing interesting.
The basement of the building brought new light to the situation at hand. Downstairs, Ange777 managed to find all sorts of terrible things: Bomb Omb plushies (not terrible), small bombs to put inside Bomb Omb plushies (very bad), and a list of names, several of which had been crossed out with a thick red marker. Ange777 didn't recognize most of the names, but two in particular stood out: "Keirathi" and "Mordanis".
While further investigating, Ange777 managed to find one other thing that you wouldn't expect in the basement of a doctor's office. A tunnel to the building next door, the candy shop owned by DarthPunk. DarthPunk had been running the candy store for decades. He had inherited it from his father, who had inherited it from MrZentor many many years ago. Inside the candy store's basement, Ange777 found a cot, a pile of dark clothes, and a sniper rifle.
On this rifle, the lab found two sets of prints. One belonged to Marvellosity, the other to DarthPunk.
DarthPunk, the godfather was lynched!
Night 4 has begun! You have 24 hours to submit any night actions.
As a reminder, there are no clues this game. All names used in this post are strictly for flavor. |
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| Ange777 Germany. August 07 2012 06:05. Posts 661 | Profile Blog # |
GG DarthPunk. May I keep the plushie? Obviously the one without the bomb  |
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| goodkarma United States. August 07 2012 06:14. Posts 687 | Profile Blog # |
Lol nice call everyone 
I'm really going to need to talk more with the hosts post-game, as I didn't see Darthpunk as the clear scum you all did. I mean, scum coordinating the Zork vote change so last-minute didn't feel like a likely scenario for me.
I think this clears suspicion from Ange, if there was any...
I'm looking forward to everyone's opinions on who the next lynch should be.
Darthpunk suggested Jingle was town... Was that a scumslip, or is that his way of trying to ensure Jingle's survival?
I honestly am not sure at this point. I've got a lot of reassessing to do on my reads, and if this flip is any indication, a lot of learning left to do. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 06:17. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
Alright guys, great job.
1 main thing here:
We need to agree on an action plan ASAP, as between Ange and I, one of us is likely to die tonight. If I go, I'm going to bestow upon Ange the confirmed townie hat. If Ange goes, well, that kinda sucks too.
I'll post up my proposal for an action plan later.
Woot. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 06:18. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
EBWOP just read he was GF too.
Got the bastard, nice. |
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| Ange777 Germany. August 07 2012 06:23. Posts 661 | Profile Blog # |
With DarthPunk repeatedly defending Jingle while it seemed like 100% sure that the day 3 lynch would be Jingle, I have to accept that Jingle's explanation might be true indeed.
On August 07 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote:
And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior.
I am reconsidering my read for the last scum. Re-reading filters. |
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 JingleHell United States. August 07 2012 06:25. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 06:14 goodkarma wrote:Lol nice call everyone I'm really going to need to talk more with the hosts post-game, as I didn't see Darthpunk as the clear scum you all did. I mean, scum coordinating the Zork vote change so last-minute didn't feel like a likely scenario for me. I think this clears suspicion from Ange, if there was any... I'm looking forward to everyone's opinions on who the next lynch should be. Darthpunk suggested Jingle was town... Was that a scumslip, or is that his way of trying to ensure Jingle's survival? I honestly am not sure at this point. I've got a lot of reassessing to do on my reads, and if this flip is any indication, a lot of learning left to do.
Well, even though I know I'm town, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if you people decided to lynch into me to save effort, although I'd prefer to do something sane, like looking at common votes between DP and Zork.
There's a nice one who I already tried to make a case against, specifically, Alan.
Obviously we can WIFOM a scenario where I'm scum and the entire DP lynch was a setup to buy me enough town credit to potentially win the day, but that seems like a slightly absurd way to do it when it would have been easier and safer for DP to aggressively bus me, if I were scum.
The whole scenario makes the most sense if you believe I'm town, DP knew in advance that a lynch on me would flip green, and wanted to earn town credit after my mislynch.
So, would anyone like to go back and read my case against Alan instead of just dismissing it out of hand this time? |
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| ObviousOne United States. August 07 2012 06:37. Posts 1515 | Profile # |
On August 07 2012 06:25 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 06:14 goodkarma wrote:Lol nice call everyone I'm really going to need to talk more with the hosts post-game, as I didn't see Darthpunk as the clear scum you all did. I mean, scum coordinating the Zork vote change so last-minute didn't feel like a likely scenario for me. I think this clears suspicion from Ange, if there was any... I'm looking forward to everyone's opinions on who the next lynch should be. Darthpunk suggested Jingle was town... Was that a scumslip, or is that his way of trying to ensure Jingle's survival? I honestly am not sure at this point. I've got a lot of reassessing to do on my reads, and if this flip is any indication, a lot of learning left to do.
Well, even though I know I'm town, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if you people decided to lynch into me to save effort, although I'd prefer to do something sane, like looking at common votes between DP and Zork. There's a nice one who I already tried to make a case against, specifically, Alan. Obviously we can WIFOM a scenario where I'm scum and the entire DP lynch was a setup to buy me enough town credit to potentially win the day, but that seems like a slightly absurd way to do it when it would have been easier and safer for DP to aggressively bus me, if I were scum. The whole scenario makes the most sense if you believe I'm town, DP knew in advance that a lynch on me would flip green, and wanted to earn town credit after my mislynch. So, would anyone like to go back and read my case against Alan instead of just dismissing it out of hand this time?
Jingle, you might be on to something with Alan. I just had something occur to me, let me see if I can go find it in the thread... |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 06:43. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 00:27 alan133 wrote:I am back from a long day. I thought Jingle is certainly getting lynched the last time I post, so I did not sneak out to check on this thread during work today. In my eyes, he is as close as to scum as it can get without flipping. @aRyuIt did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town. In fact, I intend to use that as a basis to come out with a Jingle/DarthPunk scenario. If the remaining scums are in fact, in all four of us who voted for Mordanis before changing votes, and if both you and Jingle are townies, then it means me and Darth Punk are the scums. This won’t make sense, unless there is a third mafia hiding among the early Zork votes. If you think I am using this to set up a lynch on you, I am not, and I apologize if it came out that way. I don’t think there is a chance for Jingle to flip town at this point in time. @JingleHis recent post has somewhat improved; he stopped the tunnelling thing and moved on to OMGUS town. (lol) There are no follow up to my case, and no follow up to Good Karma’s either. However, his reaction to DP’s scum slip seems very believable, and the counter-vote seems to give him huge townie points. It could be another attempt to “seems pro town” by “catching” DP, as DP has gained quite a lot of FOS-momentum at that point. + Show Spoiler +WIFOM: Could it be scums trying to sacrifice another scummate so the last one can gain a more advantages spot? I think this is very unlikely, but no entirely impossible. Also, he refused to defend attacks, and disregard all of them as WIFOM and since then only passively comment on cases, after the DP vote. @DarthPunkI said I could not find any scummy things to penalize him in his huge filter, how eager is he to prove me wrong. I am sure many has caught and mentioned his scum slip ever since he started defending himself. (Oh the irony) Even Jingle himself talks about his “slip”. I would like to know, why Jingle gives you a townie vibe, other than that you yourself is getting tunnelled right now? I would also like to add that that was posted before you were tunnelled, so any other reasons? No? Also, this: Well, in this case, if you are a town, you are allowing town to mislynch you-an anti-town play. If you are a scum, then LOL. Please tell me this is not a slip? If you intend to buy “townie points” with this, then you failed miserably. Town wants to lynch scum, not martyr himself to prove he is town. I am fine with voting any of these two players, but I will keep my vote on Jingle for the moment. I think we got both scums.
Alan's post here explains pretty clearly why he wasn't going with a DP lynch vote. He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm not sure if he was town. Part of the reason why I delayed my vote for as long as I did was to make sure that no one could sheep the final vote. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 06:44. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm not sure if he was town.
EBWOP: Should read
He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm pretty sure he is town.
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| JingleHell United States. August 07 2012 06:48. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 06:43 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 00:27 alan133 wrote:I am back from a long day. I thought Jingle is certainly getting lynched the last time I post, so I did not sneak out to check on this thread during work today. In my eyes, he is as close as to scum as it can get without flipping. @aRyuIt did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town. In fact, I intend to use that as a basis to come out with a Jingle/DarthPunk scenario. If the remaining scums are in fact, in all four of us who voted for Mordanis before changing votes, and if both you and Jingle are townies, then it means me and Darth Punk are the scums. This won’t make sense, unless there is a third mafia hiding among the early Zork votes. If you think I am using this to set up a lynch on you, I am not, and I apologize if it came out that way. I don’t think there is a chance for Jingle to flip town at this point in time. @JingleHis recent post has somewhat improved; he stopped the tunnelling thing and moved on to OMGUS town. (lol) There are no follow up to my case, and no follow up to Good Karma’s either. However, his reaction to DP’s scum slip seems very believable, and the counter-vote seems to give him huge townie points. It could be another attempt to “seems pro town” by “catching” DP, as DP has gained quite a lot of FOS-momentum at that point. + Show Spoiler +WIFOM: Could it be scums trying to sacrifice another scummate so the last one can gain a more advantages spot? I think this is very unlikely, but no entirely impossible. Also, he refused to defend attacks, and disregard all of them as WIFOM and since then only passively comment on cases, after the DP vote. @DarthPunkI said I could not find any scummy things to penalize him in his huge filter, how eager is he to prove me wrong. I am sure many has caught and mentioned his scum slip ever since he started defending himself. (Oh the irony) Even Jingle himself talks about his “slip”. I would like to know, why Jingle gives you a townie vibe, other than that you yourself is getting tunnelled right now? I would also like to add that that was posted before you were tunnelled, so any other reasons? No? Also, this:
If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc
Well, in this case, if you are a town, you are allowing town to mislynch you-an anti-town play. If you are a scum, then LOL. Please tell me this is not a slip? If you intend to buy “townie points” with this, then you failed miserably. Town wants to lynch scum, not martyr himself to prove he is town. I am fine with voting any of these two players, but I will keep my vote on Jingle for the moment. I think we got both scums.
Alan's post here explains pretty clearly why he wasn't going with a DP lynch vote. He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm not sure if he was town. Part of the reason why I delayed my vote for as long as I did was to make sure that no one could sheep the final vote.
He "explained" his vote by saying he was buying into the most absurd case scenario. I don't think that qualifies as doing it well at all.
He also said
It did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town
Now, it DOES strain credulity that the same slip would catch two scum from one day's play, but it seems less far-fetched to me than the "Sacrifice DP to get hypothetical Jingle town cred" plan.
And it's not the only evidence against him. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 07:00. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
| Ange, you and I need to get cases out the door before the night cycle ends. I'm almost 99% certain one of us is going to die tonight. Also, after the night cycle is over, I'd like for our medic to roleclaim. There's only one scum left, so if a scum counterclaims, they pretty much are surrendering since the town can absorb exactly one mislynch and still win. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 07:14. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
Scratch what I just wrote. I just read this quote by Zorkmid after Night 1:
On July 30 2012 09:14 Zorkmid wrote:Since we've been told that:
Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 06:04 marvellosity wrote:
Day post is flavour only, there are no clues to night events within it
All that we really know is that we have a roleblocker(medic or otherwise), and that that roleblocker saved a kill. (I don't buy the idea that mafia didn't use a KP, especially not in a newbie game). From this I can infer that the same person viewed as most dangerous by mafia, was viewed as the most valuable townie by the roleblocker. I'm too tired to do any analysis. And frankly from the tone about my posting, I don't have much desire to.
If you are a medic, DO NOT CLAIM. The mafia could have just passed on the first nightkill since they felt like they could afford to after picking off a vig with a mislynch. So it's not necessarily a given that there is a medic in the game. |
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| DarthPunk Australia. August 07 2012 07:51. Posts 3333 | Profile # | |
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| ObviousOne United States. August 07 2012 08:34. Posts 1515 | Profile # |
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15662306
That's the last time I took a look at Alan. Does anyone else want to weigh in on what I wrote before in light of the current flip?
Still paging through filters to see if I can find the thing that stuck out in my mind, we can't use the ALL pages thing for this thread anymore so no easy CTRL+F
Okay, here's something worthy of note:
On July 31 2012 00:28 Zorkmid wrote:
@alan133
What do you say about Obv's case against you? The post was almost two hours before yours, but you make no mention of it.
Did you just not see it?
Why would scum partners do this publicly? I have no idea. My thinking is that scum partners would probably say something like this outside of the thread to stay disconnected, especially when the case is so weak. WIFOM, I know, I know. Something to think about. Zork's effort just to keep people off of him?
Here's Alan's response: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15665993
Broken out, here is Alan's response to me:
On July 31 2012 04:20 alan133 wrote:
Now onto the "Alan could be a scum trying to distant himself from a mislynch". This is all based on Mordanis' "I think scum could be trying to distant himself from the mislynch". I did not vote for Golbat because his play was strikingly similar to mine in my last game, which coincidently I am also a VIG. Of course, there is no way to tell, and people who voted for Golbat has decent arguments. However, I voted for Shady because I believe he is much likely to flip scum compared to Golbat. There is no reason to not go with my read, especially when it does not risk a no-lynch.
Also, I agree on Mordanis' logic. Looking back at Golbat's post, his later characteristics such as "unsure who to vote" could be easily interpreted as scummy. One scum could have easily start the bandwagon on him, and the remaining ones could have easily hide. I believe it is highly possible that there is at least one scum hiding among the non-golbat vote crowd.
Following this line of logic I also realized MrMedic failed to vote, so is he in the "not on Golbat's bus" group? While I don't think this automatically qualifies him as scum, I absolutely hate players who missed a vote; there is no commitment made for us to judge such players.
This sounds reasonable enough. I didn't vote for Golbat either, both of us were voting for Shady at the time with Promethelax as the third.
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 final vote count] +
On July 29 2012 06:02 ghost_403 wrote:
FINAL VOTE COUNT FOR DAY 1:
aRyuujin ( 1 ): Golbat,
Golbat ( 7 ): Ange777, aRyuujin, goodkarma, Keirathi, Mordanis, Shady Sands, Zorkmid,
Mordanis ( 1 ): DarthPunk,
Shady Sands ( 3 ): alan133, Obvious.660, Promethelax,
Golbat was lynched by the town!
MrMedic has been pardoned for failing to vote.
Jingle's case:
On August 04 2012 07:41 JingleHell wrote:Also, look through Zorkmid's filter. If you'll notice, there's one person who swapped even later than I did, who even I suspect, who Zorkmid NEVER seemed to be interested in, despite this player being in the game the whole time. That's Alan. Alan starts by wanting to discuss tons of policy. LinkHuge WIFOM, no commitment. LinkWishy Washy on Golbat, creates distance from a mislynch. LinkDefends Zork lightly. LinkKisses up a little, and references a game where out of several cases made, I only had a 50% scum lynch record. LinkOMGUS against Mord LinkIf you really think I'm the next best lynch, well... I'm probably not. I switched at a point where there was no way to avoid suspicion. Please don't make a case revolve around that, as it leads towards confirmation bias.
I'll have to take a longer look at this in a few hours when I get home. My initial impressions are the WIFOM and OMGUS links are good candidates for points against Alan. Policy talk D1 isn't a huge issue alone. Changing his stance on Golbat in favor of voting for Shady Sands was understandable given Shady's "if Golbat then Mordanis" posts which were crazy WIFOM and confusing. Regarding the Prom vote, it's damning to me is that I had a town read on Promethelax at the time, whereas I had null read on Zorkmid. Certainly more points against Alan, but that doesn't necessarily make him the scummiest player at the moment.
I'm on my way out the door. I'll be back in 6 or 7 hours. |
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| JingleHell United States. August 07 2012 08:54. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On August 03 2012 23:35 alan133 wrote:In all seriousness, mind posting something that is other than: + Show Spoiler +
Target's latest defence against
No! You did not explain a town motive! I vote you ##v0t3 example1over a thousand times?
This makes me look suspicious, apparently. But, minutes later...
On August 04 2012 17:15 alan133 wrote:I thought Zork's angry reaction was a town trait. I made my stance on him based on that.
It's ok from Zork. |
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| Ange777 Germany. August 07 2012 08:59. Posts 661 | Profile Blog # |
| Re-reading the entire game at 2 am is not recommendable. I'm going to bed now. Just want to note that right now alan is my only scum read and if nothing changes I will be making a case against him by tomorrow. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 09:30. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
Before I head out tonight, I'd like to post up a few of my reads:
@ Jingle
Still not convinced he's town. If Jingle is town, I don't get why he would just decide to post nothing except angrish for 40 straight hours. It doesn't make him look any more innocent. If he's so fed up with the game that he just wants to watch town crash and burn, why not go do something more enjoyable with his time rather than posting in the thread?
@ Alan
My read on Alan is going to be heavily influenced by what happens tonight. Don't want to tip my hand too heavily here, but I think Ange, Obvious, and Jingle brought up some points worth considering.
@ aRyuujin
For the most part, it's like he flipped an "on switch" in terms of scumhunting these past 48 hours and really went to work nailing Darthpunk. For that I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, for now. But given that he was one of the "Mordanis Five" (Alan, Jingle, Darth, Zorkmid, aRyuujin) he deserves a closer look.
I'll post more tomorrow. Expect a long-ish analysis post sometime before night. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 09:37. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2012 06:03 JingleHell wrote:
Well, whoever RBed me seems to have failed to stop the NK. Good job.
I'd like everyone to focus in on this claim.
No one has claimed RB yet. After tonight, I'd like for the RB to come out and claim. If no RB claims, we lynch JingleHell. If scum counterclaims, we flip a coin and lynch both (since we can afford a mislynch.)
Sound good? |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 07 2012 09:40. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
| And finally, IF JingleHell is telling the truth, then we have one extra confirmed townie (the roleblocker). Jingle may or may not be scum since he may or may not be the scum that fired the shot that night. |
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