History: I'm surprised this issue hasn't been brought up by the media now or in the past so i'm going to try and shed some light on it. The Rohingya people, whom are a minority living in Myanmar(Burma) have been named as one of the most persecuted minorities in the world by the U.N. They have been a persecuted minority from the late 1559. (not a typo, almost 500 years)
Over the years there have been frequent "anti-Muslims" riots which are ridiculous in themselves, but they historically tended to be supported by the military which makes them extremely deadly and violent.
The racial tension in March 1997 between Buddhists and Muslims and the attack on Muslim properties began during the renovation of a Buddha statue. The bronze Buddha statue in the Maha Myatmuni pagoda, originally from the Arakan, brought to Mandalay by King Bodawpaya in 1784 AD was renovated by the authorities. The Mahamyat Muni statue was broken open, leaving a gaping hole in the statue, and it was generally presumed that the regime was searching for the Padamya Myetshin, a legendary ruby that ensures victory in war to those who possess it.[32]
On 16 March 1997 beginning at about 3:30 p.m. a mob of 1,000-1,500 Buddhist monks and others shouted anti-Muslim slogans. They targeted the mosques first for attack, followed by Muslim shop-houses and transportation vehicles in the vicinity of mosques, damaging, destroying, looting, and trampling, burning religious books, committing acts of sacrilege. The area where the acts of damage, destruction, and lootings were committed was Kaingdan, Mandalay.[33] The unrest in Mandalay allegedly began after reports of an attempted rape of a girl by Muslim men. At least three people were killed and around 100 monks arrested
Riot of 2001 from wikipedia over destruction of Buddha in Afghanistan which they didnt even do: + Show Spoiler +
On May 15, 2001, anti-Muslim riots broke out in Taungoo, Pegu division, resulting in the deaths of about 200 Muslims, in the destruction of 11 mosques and the setting ablaze of over 400 houses. On May 15, the first day of the anti-Muslim uprisings, about 20 Muslims who were praying in the Han Tha mosque were killed and some were beaten to death by the pro-junta forces. On May 17, Lt. General Win Myint, Secretary No.3 of the SPDC and deputy Home and Religious minister, arrived in Taungoo and curfew was imposed there until July 12, 2001.
2012 Riots and sectarian violence:
It is still unclear what exactly sparked the 2012 riots, due to conflicting reports but the most widely spread story is that a Buddhist women was killed by Muslim men, so the ethnic Rakhine(Buddhist majority) retaliated against the whole Rohingya people by killing 10 pilgrims on a bus therefore sparking the tit-for-tat sectarian violence which seems to still be on-going as of now.
The Rohingya as of yet are actually not even considered citizens of Myanmar despite living there for centuries.The government regards the Rohingya as illegal migrants from Bangladesh and has rendered them stateless by denying them citizenship up to this day. Aung San Suu Kyi, the nobel Laureate and pro-democracy figure has yet to make a statement about them but when asked about them, she said "I don't even know if they are Burmese".
They are also being oppressed by neighboring Bangladesh. The people fleeing the conflict are denied refugee status and are sent back into the conflict zone by the Bangladeshi authorities. This video from Channel 4 sums up their refugee situation:
To be frank, nothing will be done... Nothing more I can add to that statement, no resources, no real political reason (other than civil rights, which let's face it, no one gives a shit about anymore)
Sucks to be there, but nothing will be done.
EDIT: and any Buddhists who are openly killing other people, are generally pretty poor Buddhist's, and I would take there claim with a grain of salt.
OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
On July 18 2012 06:07 Bahamut1337 wrote: OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
Could you please link us to a source for these claims ? ( Pakistan, iraq, malaysia )
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On July 18 2012 06:01 NeMeSiS3 wrote: To be frank, nothing will be done... Nothing more I can add to that statement, no resources, no real political reason (other than civil rights, which let's face it, no one gives a shit about anymore)
Sucks to be there, but nothing will be done.
EDIT: and any Buddhists who are openly killing other people, are generally pretty poor Buddhist's, and I would take there claim with a grain of salt.
Are you talking about them claiming to be Buddhists? because otherwise that's quite a dumb edit
reincremate Canada. July 18 2012 06:19. Posts 1702
On July 18 2012 06:07 Bahamut1337 wrote: OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
Could you please link us to a source for these claims ? ( Pakistan, iraq, malaysia )
He said "90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention". He doesn't need to cite any sources; he just knows this shit.
On July 18 2012 06:07 Bahamut1337 wrote: OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
Could you please link us to a source for these claims ? ( Pakistan, iraq, malaysia )
He said "90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention". He doesn't need to cite any sources; he just knows this shit.
Yeah that's exactly the point lol
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On July 18 2012 06:07 Bahamut1337 wrote: OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
Can you please explain yourself? and not just ramble on with no proof.
On July 18 2012 06:07 Bahamut1337 wrote: OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
Could you please link us to a source for these claims ? ( Pakistan, iraq, malaysia )
Note its a opinion piece but the Iraqi Christian population was slashed in half since the invasion. In times of turmoil the miniorities suffer first. Same can be seen more and more in Egypt. And also explains why the Christians in Syria support Assad. Only a dictator seems to be able to protect the miniority groups ( altough the Kurds will beg to differ Saddam was a good guy)
They suffer the most and flee / get expelled / die.
Beyond the millions who died / fled / were expelled the prosecution continues to this day. Just read the part of the blasphemy laws. ANy Muslim can point to a Christian and claim they have insulted Islam. the result is that if you owe money to a Chrisitan or Hindu you just point at him and call him a blasphemer. Also look at the percentage
In 1951, Hindus constituted 22 percentage of the Pakistani population (that includes the modern day Bangladesh)3][4] Today, the share of Hindus are down to 1.7 percent in Pakistan,[5] and 9.2 percent in Bangladesh[6] (In 1951, Bangladesh alone had 22% Hindu population[7])
Malaysia a Islamic Apartheid state. Christians may not use allah, building religious buildings is virtually impossible and more
Churches are allowed in Malaysia, though there are restrictions on construction of new churches through discriminatory zoning laws. No pre-existing churches have been closed down by the government and no standing congregations have been disbanded. However, it is difficult to build new churches. For instance, it took more than twenty years for the local authority in Shah Alam to allow a church to be built there, with an additional condition that the church must look like a factory and not a more conventional church appearance. Most of the time, new churches are started in a clandestine manner as ordinary businesses in shops, especially in major cities like Kuala Lumpur.
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even of the ten countries with the highest – that is, worst – grades when it comes to government restrictions on religion were OIC countries – Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Maldives, Malaysia and Indonesia. The other three were China, Burma and Eritrea.
On July 18 2012 06:07 Bahamut1337 wrote: OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
Can you please explain yourself? and not just ramble on with no proof.
bar a few minor examples virtually every member of the OIC has severe restrictions on Christians. Fact is that prosecution is naturally always bad. But I have to laugh a bit at the idea that there needs to be more attention for the cause of Burma's Muslims while we could also look at the various other nations ( which are mostly Islamic ) who are defacto islamic Apartheid states
On July 18 2012 06:07 Bahamut1337 wrote: OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
Could you please link us to a source for these claims ? ( Pakistan, iraq, malaysia )
He said "90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention". He doesn't need to cite any sources; he just knows this shit.
A random number. But it happens daily on a global scale do you read about it daily? Even at the peak of etnic cleansing in Sudan which killed thousands daily I hardly heard any reporter of a large media network about it. We are to busy with gasoline prices, a economical crisis, the olympics and more to have any time for people who suffer on a daily basis.
On July 18 2012 06:01 NeMeSiS3 wrote: To be frank, nothing will be done... Nothing more I can add to that statement, no resources, no real political reason (other than civil rights, which let's face it, no one gives a shit about anymore)
Sucks to be there, but nothing will be done.
EDIT: and any Buddhists who are openly killing other people, are generally pretty poor Buddhist's, and I would take there claim with a grain of salt.
Actually there are quite a few Buddhist countries (such as Bhutan) that are heavy on oppression of other religions, and even violent to them in cases.
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reincremate Canada. July 18 2012 06:49. Posts 1702
It's no secret that Islamic extremists persecute and kill non-Islamic extremists. I thought that was what the whole War of Terror thing is about. But this is about a specific case of religious persecution; it's not the "general religious persecution thread". You can go start a thread like that if you want.
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Innovation United States. July 18 2012 07:01. Posts 270
OP failed to mention a lot of news is not being covered. Pakistans Etnic cleansing of Christians and Hindu's, Iraq's current genocide of Christians. Malaysia's Apartheid laws being implemented against the other religions and more.
Also you blame them for rioting after the destruction of century old statue's meanwhile Muslims do the same around the globe if a Koran is touched, a teddy bear is named Muhammed and more. You seem to demand common sense from religious people but the 3rd world nations are far from using their common sense in these issue's
In short as long as 90 percent of religious prosecution goes without media attention and action I do not actually care, even less so since muslims themselves virutally always have laws against the miniority's, and violence is common
You have a valid point but I think it was said in a way that isn't helpful to the discussion.
Ultimately ethnic or religious persecution should not be acceptable under any circumstance. Historically, there has been persecution on all sides. Yes the Muslim religion seems to be particularly intolerant to other belief structures and quick to resort to violence but that doesn't mean that persecuting them back is acceptable. Catholic based Christianity is also guilty of horrible atrocities against other religions (particularly Muslim) which we find completely unacceptable in Western society today.
I'm pretty sure that there will never be an end to this type of fighting as extremism is most commonly associated to religious beliefs. This should not however begin a "religion is bad" debate because that is untrue and a stupid blanket statement. "Intolerance is always bad" is also wrong and a stupid blanket statement. I just want to preemptively state this as this thread will be blanketed with a ton of well....stupid blanket statements in a little while.
We're all guilty of being self-serving assholes and of distrusting those not like us; It's an unfortunate side-affect of humanity. Anyone who is incapable of seeing or accepting some validity to both sides needs to realize that they are part of the problem that ultimately results to the kinds of actions discussed in this thread.
For example. Christianity (by majority through literal translation of the Bible) believe that homosexuality is a sin. The majority of Christians will and have voted to ban gay marriage as a result. This is an example of negative intolerance that should not be accepted in a society that values individual liberty. Although marriage is historically a religious ceremony, governments should not be involved in telling individuals who can marry and who cannot. The government either should give all individuals the same marriage benefits or give no benefits to anyone.
Most Christians will argue against me on this...but guess what, I'm a Christian too. Just because I follow a certain faith doesn't mean that everyone needs too. In my opinion, anyone Christian or anyone from any religion who seeks to mandate their beliefs on others likely needs to look inwardly at their own faults rather than others.
Even Jesus said (paraphrasing) "take the branch out of your own eye before you seek to take the splinter out of another's"
Many religious philosophers and important figures have said similar things from the majority of religions out there. The fact is that we forget these simple yet usually uniting beliefs and argue and kill people over stupid minutia that doesn't really matter in the end.
Religion is meant to improve humanity not harm it. There are good people and bad people in all faiths, (including atheism, yes it's also a faith) lets try to unite on the good points and forget about the little differences please?
Thanks,
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Not_Computer Canada. July 18 2012 07:09. Posts 2085
In my humble opinion, as long the persecution isn't happening in US, China, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Libya, etc. the international community doesn't really care. Aside from getting aid due to natural disasters, Myanmar/Burma is usually out of the international spotlight since it doesn't have nukes or oil (or both).
Very often religion, ethnicity, gender, etc. are used as an excuse when in reality people are just doing this over greed and jealousy (and sometimes 'revenge').
"Although the Burmese government has taken positive steps to improve human rights and democracy over the past year, we continue to urge more progress on reforms"
I think that the news would only report on things that are directly relevant to the people that are watching the news. For instance the whole issue about Libya was simply because UN(I think so, I'm not very clued up about it!) troops were involved in it. There is so much evil and horrible shit going on in the world that the news can only report on the stuff that will be the most relevant to the viewers.
OP you shouldn't be surprised, you should search a bit more thoroughly, http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=rohingya 15 bbc articles since April 7th, they do a pretty good job of clarifying what this thread seems to be aimed towards. Aljazeera also has a bunch of articles about it.
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reincremate Canada. July 18 2012 07:23. Posts 1702
On July 18 2012 07:11 NexUmbra wrote: I think that the news would only report on things that are directly relevant to the people that are watching the news. For instance the whole issue about Libya was simply because UN(I think so, I'm not very clued up about it!) troops were involved in it. There is so much evil and horrible shit going on in the world that the news can only report on the stuff that will be the most relevant to the viewers.
Yeah, who cares about Burma or whatever if Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes split up.
Not_Computer Canada. July 18 2012 07:30. Posts 2085
On July 18 2012 07:11 NexUmbra wrote: I think that the news would only report on things that are directly relevant to the people that are watching the news. For instance the whole issue about Libya was simply because UN(I think so, I'm not very clued up about it!) troops were involved in it. There is so much evil and horrible shit going on in the world that the news can only report on the stuff that will be the most relevant to the viewers.
This is true. What news is covered also depends on the news agency's coverage ability and also on how much is going on in the world at the time. When there's nothing happening, I read about celebrities, people's dogs, some random bus crash in some European country, a low magnitude earthquake somewhere. When there's a lot happening (like Olympics), then yeah half the newspaper is about athlete success stories and how x number of medals were won (or not won).
There are entire villages in India where girls are labelled as prostitutes when they're born and from before even hitting puberty they are forced to live their whole life in the sex trade and have no choice otherwise just because they so happened to be born in that village. They are prevented from accessing education or seeing the outside world, and some girls are even named "Unwanted" (literally).
I don't mean to hate on Indians, Indians are cool people too, but this is just an example that I remembered off the top of my head that is a pretty huge issue but is never covered by the media.
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NeMeSiS3 Canada. July 18 2012 06:01. Posts 2969
3][4] Today, the share of Hindus are down to 1.7 percent in Pakistan,[5] and 9.2 percent in Bangladesh[6] (In 1951, Bangladesh alone had 22% Hindu population[7])
