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| crajittok July 21 2012 12:30. Posts 27 | Profile # |
On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:
... I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track.
I think the speech is what has confused most people in this thread. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 21 2012 12:43. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 21 2012 12:30 crajittok wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:
... I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track.
I think the speech is what has confused most people in this thread.
Yeah, it has, no questioning that. |
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| ninazerg United States. July 21 2012 13:11. Posts 1834 | Profile Blog # |
On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:
On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:
On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:
On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups.
nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ]
I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming  It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting.
Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'?
The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate.
Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain.
On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding?
I don't see what you're trying to get that or where it says that in his post, obviously, anything can be interpreted and he knows that I don't talk much about my planning, i.e. you didn't hear about this event till I posted it, I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track.
Where he says "if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin" Why would this be an issue if the funds for the project were already fully secured? If someone says "The fundraising is done." but their chief salesperson says "We don't want to do something that could hurt the fundraising." then it is implied that the funds have not yet been raised. That's what I mean. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 21 2012 13:13. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 21 2012 13:11 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:
On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:
On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:
On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups.
nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ]
I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting.
Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'?
The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate.
Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain.
On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding?
I don't see what you're trying to get that or where it says that in his post, obviously, anything can be interpreted and he knows that I don't talk much about my planning, i.e. you didn't hear about this event till I posted it, I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track.
Where he says " if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin" Why would this be an issue if the funds for the project were already fully secured? If someone says "The fundraising is done." but their chief salesperson says "We don't want to do something that could hurt the fundraising." then it is implied that the funds have not yet been raised. That's what I mean.
Regardless of this event, we are by no means done fundraising... We're already working on a second season............ Who knows if that one will ever come into being, given that we're waiting on this one to see how it goes. |
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| LML Germany. July 21 2012 20:42. Posts 957 | Profile Blog # |
On July 21 2012 10:42 BWalma wrote:
I can see where a lot of people are getting skeptical. Might I suggest something. I've been a caster for about 6 or 7 months now. Many people still do not hear of my name. I'm fine with that. What I can tell you is for one practice makes perfect. Consistency makes perfect. Maybe if you run enough tournaments that are successful maybe people will stop second guessing you. I'd suggest partner with ISL make it bigger if you want to "rush" this huge tournament out. I think your better off starting smaller with smaller tournaments and organizing them well and then go international with 40k prize pool.
I wish you all the best luck in your endeavor. You said looking for volunteers or something like that. I'd be happy to help any qualifiers that are online with replays. I'd be unavailable to go into Europe has I have school but just giving you some option.
You might have heard of such things as the Nation War League, Gambit Cup Season 1 and 2? Eywa also hosted several other tournaments if I am not mistaken, which also had prices.
So, what else should he do?
Tbh, the reason I had trust in this, from the moment I've heard it, is simply because of Eywa's name on it.
I think those who have followed his events and read his rulesets clearly notice that what Eywa has once said: the attempt to bring foreign BW to a more professional level, something alot of players sadly lack. Hence it's good someone is taking on this.
But that's also the reason I believe in this event. |
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| Mazur Poland. July 21 2012 20:48. Posts 380 | Profile # |
| I've just writen a similar thing on netwars.pl, mb not such enthusiastic... ; ) Last edit: 2012-07-21 23:13:27 |
| | There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. |
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| ZaRaki_ Spain. July 21 2012 22:39. Posts 115 | Profile # | |
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| )Messer( Poland. July 22 2012 03:24. Posts 94 | Profile # |
| Organizing offline event isn't as simple as online tour. |
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| Mazur Poland. July 24 2012 18:35. Posts 380 | Profile # |
| When tere will more info (maps, system, etc) ? next month or something like that? |
| | There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 24 2012 21:17. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2012 18:35 Mazur wrote:
When tere will more info (maps, system, etc) ? next month or something like that?
Maps will likely be released in October with all other info, of course I can't delegate the slots for the tournament until I receive sign ups. |
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| Mazur Poland. July 24 2012 22:16. Posts 380 | Profile # |
On July 24 2012 21:17 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 18:35 Mazur wrote:
When tere will more info (maps, system, etc) ? next month or something like that?
Maps will likely be released in October with all other info, of course I can't delegate the slots for the tournament until I receive sign ups.
Ok, so the next info will be in october, ill wait till then for any more question  Last edit: 2012-07-24 22:17:10 |
| | There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 24 2012 22:22. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2012 22:16 Mazur wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 21:17 Eywa- wrote:
On July 24 2012 18:35 Mazur wrote:
When tere will more info (maps, system, etc) ? next month or something like that?
Maps will likely be released in October with all other info, of course I can't delegate the slots for the tournament until I receive sign ups.
Ok, so the next info will be in october, ill wait till then for any more question
It's really no problem, you can ask any time... I just may not have the answer right now or it may not be publicly available.Last edit: 2012-07-24 22:22:44 |
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| RMuSt Russian Federation. July 24 2012 22:39. Posts 69 | Profile # | |
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| Mazur Poland. July 24 2012 22:44. Posts 380 | Profile # |
On July 24 2012 22:39 RMuSt wrote:
when registration ends?
Player sign ups are accepted through up till November 10th |
| | There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. |
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| PiKe Poland. July 25 2012 01:00. Posts 152 | Profile # |
On July 24 2012 22:44 Mazur wrote:Player sign ups are accepted through up till November 10th
shhhiiiiiiit till 10 november ? i don't even know if i will be alive till that day !
GIVE IT NOW ! = ]
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| Eywa- Canada. July 25 2012 01:03. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2012 01:00 PiKe wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 22:44 Mazur wrote:
On July 24 2012 22:39 RMuSt wrote:
when registration ends?
Player sign ups are accepted through up till November 10th
shhhiiiiiiit till 10 november ? i don't even know if i will be alive till that day ! GIVE IT NOW ! = ]
nono, you need to practice lots first! |
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| ghrur United States. July 25 2012 01:04. Posts 2620 | Profile Blog # |
| Wait... how the... o.O How did you get all this money? Holy hell, I'm impressed Eywa. |
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| Mazur Poland. July 25 2012 01:23. Posts 380 | Profile # |
On July 25 2012 01:00 PiKe wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 22:44 Mazur wrote:
On July 24 2012 22:39 RMuSt wrote:
when registration ends?
Player sign ups are accepted through up till November 10th
shhhiiiiiiit till 10 november ? i don't even know if i will be alive till that day ! GIVE IT NOW ! = ]
U have to play mate, theres a National tour in this also!: ) |
| | There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. |
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| Bakuryu Germany. July 25 2012 02:19. Posts 268 | Profile Blog # |
Is there any update to the list of registered players?
and will the winner of the tournament get some shiny MSL/OSL style badge? :DLast edit: 2012-07-25 02:40:53 |
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| [sc1f]eonzerg Spain. July 25 2012 02:44. Posts 1487 | Profile Blog # |
| first of all. i hate the orga of this. i was going to retire and now i want play with more force than never.... see u in qualifier |
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