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| Shotcoder United States. July 19 2012 13:03. Posts 1420 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 12:54 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:31 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:09 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least.
His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least.
Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all.
I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name?
The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant.
So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization.
On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from?
The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money,
On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from?
This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest.
So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved.
It's not a public venture. What is donated by my company is entirely up to myself, I chose to invest this in BW and that's all that's required for you to know. A donation which is deemed impossible does not merit the internal investigation of a private enterprise. We expanded a section specifically to fit the BW fundraising needs. This also accounts for the question if I'm getting anything out of this, my business is funding it... So, short answer, I'm getting -$X out of this.
So, what you're saying is "Nobody needs to know where the money is coming from."? Because if that's the case, then it seems disingenuous to present your business venture as "non-profit" while simultaneously refusing to disclose your financial information. To simply say "Trust me, I'm losing money" doesn't really give people much confidence, to say the least.
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
On July 19 2012 12:50 dRaW wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:44 Eywa- wrote:
Qualification locations as of now:
Paid QFs per - Location - Total QFs
1 - Canada / Latin America - 3
2 - Hungary - 4
2 - Germany - 4
1 - Nordic - 2
3 - Poland - 5
3 - Russia - 5
2 - United States - 4
3 - Rest Of Europe - 5
*Please note, this is a ballpark tool and it is likely to be changed, This is an ESTIMATE of how many people will be covered for the Grand Finals. Also, given the addition of the Americas, likely there will be room for a couple extra inclusive Qualifications over 16.
it went from only europe to 3 (canada LA) + 4 USA, just curious the reasoning behind this, i.e does this mean Canada has to compete vs LA (lag central) while USA only plays vs other USA?
This was added because after discussions, We decided that segregating the community with this tournament was hazardous and might lead to people leaving the game.Last edit: 2012-07-19 13:04:21 |
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| dRaW Canada. July 19 2012 13:06. Posts 3516 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:54 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:31 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:09 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:
[quote]
His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least.
Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all.
I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name?
The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant.
So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization.
On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from?
The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money,
On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from?
This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest.
So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved.
It's not a public venture. What is donated by my company is entirely up to myself, I chose to invest this in BW and that's all that's required for you to know. A donation which is deemed impossible does not merit the internal investigation of a private enterprise. We expanded a section specifically to fit the BW fundraising needs. This also accounts for the question if I'm getting anything out of this, my business is funding it... So, short answer, I'm getting -$X out of this.
So, what you're saying is "Nobody needs to know where the money is coming from."? Because if that's the case, then it seems disingenuous to present your business venture as "non-profit" while simultaneously refusing to disclose your financial information. To simply say "Trust me, I'm losing money" doesn't really give people much confidence, to say the least.
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:50 dRaW wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:44 Eywa- wrote:
Qualification locations as of now:
Paid QFs per - Location - Total QFs
1 - Canada / Latin America - 3
2 - Hungary - 4
2 - Germany - 4
1 - Nordic - 2
3 - Poland - 5
3 - Russia - 5
2 - United States - 4
3 - Rest Of Europe - 5
*Please note, this is a ballpark tool and it is likely to be changed, This is an ESTIMATE of how many people will be covered for the Grand Finals. Also, given the addition of the Americas, likely there will be room for a couple extra inclusive Qualifications over 16.
it went from only europe to 3 (canada LA) + 4 USA, just curious the reasoning behind this, i.e does this mean Canada has to compete vs LA (lag central) while USA only plays vs other USA?
This was added because after discussions, We decided that segregating the community with this tournament was hazardous and might lead to people leaving the game.
no, im wondering why usa gets 4 spots and canada has to battle against LA (which has a ton of lag) for 3 spots? Because Im sure there are more LA+Can players than American players... and the lag is no thanks
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| ninazerg United States. July 19 2012 13:43. Posts 1852 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:54 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:31 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:09 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:
[quote]
His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least.
Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all.
I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name?
The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant.
So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization.
On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from?
The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money,
On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from?
This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest.
So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved.
It's not a public venture. What is donated by my company is entirely up to myself, I chose to invest this in BW and that's all that's required for you to know. A donation which is deemed impossible does not merit the internal investigation of a private enterprise. We expanded a section specifically to fit the BW fundraising needs. This also accounts for the question if I'm getting anything out of this, my business is funding it... So, short answer, I'm getting -$X out of this.
So, what you're saying is "Nobody needs to know where the money is coming from."? Because if that's the case, then it seems disingenuous to present your business venture as "non-profit" while simultaneously refusing to disclose your financial information. To simply say "Trust me, I'm losing money" doesn't really give people much confidence, to say the least.
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
lol, you make it sound like you're selling drugs. |
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| Sum41 Chile. July 19 2012 14:05. Posts 321 | Profile # |
well i have to say thank you guys for making this you are awesome :D, and i think that you have to give them time to explain everything in a deeper way. a lot of criticism won't help so much for now.
i'm amazed how much you must love broodwar to spend so many time, effort and $$ to make this |
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 GeckoVOD Germany. July 19 2012 16:53. Posts 814 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
Don't take this as offense, but this still raises more questions than it answers. Why did you start this thread just right now with only some bits of info instead of preparing a big launch? I'm sure if you would provide full information at the start, you'd have less questions to answer and a lot bigger and hopefully deserved positive feedback. It's not like I desperately hope this would not happen, but this is just... :/ |
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| FyRe_DragOn Canada. July 19 2012 17:34. Posts 1403 | Profile Blog # |
no, im wondering why usa gets 4 spots and canada has to battle against LA (which has a ton of lag) for 3 spots? Because Im sure there are more LA+Can players than American players... and the lag is no thanks
im wondering this too..if anything there are more top Canadian players than USA even without the addition of Chile, Peru, Brazil, Argentina etc |
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 heyoka Administrator July 19 2012 18:07. | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
I'm trying to stay out of this and remain cautiously optimistic but this is too absurd. This paragraph sounds like Requiem for a Dream and Breaking Bad rolled into one, how is anyone supposed to read that and think you're not selling drugs? That line at the end about how you can't reveal it only cements it, this explanation feels so unbelievably shady. |
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| [sc1f]eonzerg Spain. July 19 2012 18:29. Posts 1495 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 18:07 heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
I'm trying to stay out of this and remain cautiously optimistic but this is too absurd. This paragraph sounds like Requiem for a Dream and Breaking Bad rolled into one, how is anyone supposed to read that and think you're not selling drugs? That line at the end about how you can't reveal it only cements it, this explanation feels so unbelievably shady.
when they reveal from where come the money everyone will say .. ah... i expect other things.. but the reason not one know from where come. is making everyone especulating. U really think a guy like FoX.Elegant will join in the new escobar family ? -_- |
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| Jonoman92 United States. July 19 2012 18:35. Posts 7411 | Profile Blog # |
I'm a bit confused, is it fundraising or some sort of product sales making the money to fund this event?
If these fundraisers have occurred I feel like TL would know since this would likely be a good source of potential donations (though right now, I doubt it'd be successful unless TL backed it as being sketch-free, and even then..) Basically, there must be some record of the fundraising if it's already started right?
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| SJ.MadClaw Finland. July 19 2012 18:55. Posts 3 | Profile # |
Absoooolutely awesome, I really hope this is for real and happening!
Huuuuge thanks to the organization for this! Will be absolutely awesome!! |
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| dsaqwe. Croatia. July 19 2012 18:59. Posts 196 | Profile # |
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| pebble444 Italy. July 19 2012 19:25. Posts 953 | Profile Blog # |
Heres hopes this is Legit. That would be awesome and i would book a ticket to come to Praha next spring as a spectator to watch some Prime foreign Broodwar!! :D
I humbly sugjest you find someone else to Write OP' s in the Future. I have read and re-read the OP several times and various posts and its very confusing to me, and i speak fluent English (sorry for grammar errors in my posts), i only imagine people whos English is second Language.
Writing an OP nice and clear is not an easy task. But in this situation and with an Event like this i think its of Primary importance. Information is Power. There are a number of things that Journalists and writers consider while writing and in big events there are specialists who write everything up. Here on TL there are quite a few people that can write an extremly clear and optimal OP. Everyone has different skills and to execute this tournament you will need a team with people who have different skills and work well together. That is essential in any project.
I feel like Nina and other people bring up some good points. And i think the main concern here is that some people (me included) are in doubt if the money is really there and available or not. I for one don' t want to but-in your business, but you must understand that we are not talking about 1 dollar for a coffea, we are talking about amounts that are much much bigger.
As For the Non-profit, again my opinion if you don' t registrer your organization officially and put forth some proof i cannot take it seriously. Unfortunatly Not everyone knows you personally, and in order for people to trust you, you must put some legitimacy in it. If you do, i assure you i will never doubt your words again. And so will a good number of other people.
I hope you guys take my post as a constructive thing. Thats what i wanted it to be.
I think you guys are awesome for organizing this, and i offer my help if needed in any way i can assist you.
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| Eywa- Canada. July 19 2012 19:53. Posts 3013 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 12:54 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:31 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:09 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:
On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:
On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least.
His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least.
Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all.
I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name?
The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant.
So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization.
On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from?
The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money,
On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from?
This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest.
So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved.
It's not a public venture. What is donated by my company is entirely up to myself, I chose to invest this in BW and that's all that's required for you to know. A donation which is deemed impossible does not merit the internal investigation of a private enterprise. We expanded a section specifically to fit the BW fundraising needs. This also accounts for the question if I'm getting anything out of this, my business is funding it... So, short answer, I'm getting -$X out of this.
So, what you're saying is "Nobody needs to know where the money is coming from."? Because if that's the case, then it seems disingenuous to present your business venture as "non-profit" while simultaneously refusing to disclose your financial information. To simply say "Trust me, I'm losing money" doesn't really give people much confidence, to say the least.
Not really, I told you where the money is coming from and about 20-30 people know the exact details.
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| Eywa- Canada. July 19 2012 19:55. Posts 3013 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 18:07 heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
I'm trying to stay out of this and remain cautiously optimistic but this is too absurd. This paragraph sounds like Requiem for a Dream and Breaking Bad rolled into one, how is anyone supposed to read that and think you're not selling drugs? That line at the end about how you can't reveal it only cements it, this explanation feels so unbelievably shady.
Hockey Cards is the product. I'm not even joking. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 19 2012 19:56. Posts 3013 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 18:59 dsaqwe. wrote:
if i have criminal record can i play anyway ?
Depends on severity. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 19 2012 19:59. Posts 3013 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 18:35 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm a bit confused, is it fundraising or some sort of product sales making the money to fund this event?
If these fundraisers have occurred I feel like TL would know since this would likely be a good source of potential donations (though right now, I doubt it'd be successful unless TL backed it as being sketch-free, and even then..) Basically, there must be some record of the fundraising if it's already started right?
Hope this is real and comes through.
No, TL has nothing to do with the business that we're into. I'd wager 1/2 of TL admins don't know what a hockey card is (given that most people I've spoken to so far don't). |
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| Ribbon United States. July 19 2012 20:02. Posts 5020 | Profile Blog # |
How the hell did you round up that size a prizepool?!
18,000 is the grand prize? I thought that was the total pool!
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 Kiante Australia. July 19 2012 20:07. Posts 6356 | Profile Blog # |
theres lots of money in the banana stand hockey cards |
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| ne4aJIb Russian Federation. July 19 2012 20:16. Posts 1346 | Profile Blog # |
18000+++ from just Hockey cards??? OMG...
Are they made of GOLD?? |
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| Mazur Poland. July 19 2012 20:37. Posts 388 | Profile # |
With the criminal record check u might have a problem with translating it form so menny languages  I would like to see u reading a Hungarian or Russian criminal record check |
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