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 NeMeSiS3 Canada. July 20 2012 08:09. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 08:07 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 07:38 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:42 Crownlol wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:24 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:22 Crownlol wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:23 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get how this was not expected? Israel has been doing Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian assassinations/abductions for over 10 years. I guess now its officially a proxy war than one-sided assassinations.
Uh, what? Palestinians have been performing terror attacks on civilians for just as long as Israelis have been performing assassinations. Calling it one-sided is the most absurd and naive statement in this whole thread. Say what you want about the conflict, at least Israel attacks military and high-profile targets. Palestinians intentionally target civilian areas, markets, etc. If Israel wanted to, they could make things pretty bad. Iran/Syria/Palestinians are just lucky that they don't.
WHat do you think it will happen if a war starts between israel and iran ? do you think it will be all good for the israelis as well? if war starts it will be hell all over the middle east, i don't think israel would be able to recover after such a war.
Historically, Israel has done just dandy in wars in the middle east (6 day war, etc.). That having been said, of course I do not wish for a war. There isn't much that will ever stabilize that region until a government comes in and spends the money to develop true infrastructure and invest on its civilians, and not just make the royal family superwealthy. Odds of that happening?
I would love to know just what the fuck these people are fighting for? I don't pay much attention to the middle east. I'll admit that up front. It may come off as ignorant, but everything I see and hear makes me think the cultures and religions of the region are barbaric. Obviously, there are exceptions like in every other area on Earth. Can anyone explain to me what GOOD reason there could possibly be for the constant instability of the region? It seems to have gotten to the point that everything is done in retaliation. Payback for something that the other side did. Like gangs here in America that go back and forth killing each other for no other reason than for revenge or because of some meaningless differences. inb4 some bullshit about land/religion/culture being a "good" reason.
... Yes. land, religion, and culture are "bullshit" reasons now?
You'd think since America has been invading/liberating Middle Eastern states for the past 40 some years you'd have some idea what's going on down there...
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| Elegy United States. July 20 2012 08:10. Posts 1515 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 08:09 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 08:07 Elegy wrote:
On July 20 2012 07:38 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:42 Crownlol wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:24 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:22 Crownlol wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:23 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get how this was not expected? Israel has been doing Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian assassinations/abductions for over 10 years. I guess now its officially a proxy war than one-sided assassinations.
Uh, what? Palestinians have been performing terror attacks on civilians for just as long as Israelis have been performing assassinations. Calling it one-sided is the most absurd and naive statement in this whole thread. Say what you want about the conflict, at least Israel attacks military and high-profile targets. Palestinians intentionally target civilian areas, markets, etc. If Israel wanted to, they could make things pretty bad. Iran/Syria/Palestinians are just lucky that they don't.
WHat do you think it will happen if a war starts between israel and iran ? do you think it will be all good for the israelis as well? if war starts it will be hell all over the middle east, i don't think israel would be able to recover after such a war.
Historically, Israel has done j ust dandy in wars in the middle east (6 day war, etc.). That having been said, of course I do not wish for a war. There isn't much that will ever stabilize that region until a government comes in and spends the money to develop true infrastructure and invest on its civilians, and not just make the royal family superwealthy. Odds of that happening?
I would love to know just what the fuck these people are fighting for? I don't pay much attention to the middle east. I'll admit that up front. It may come off as ignorant, but everything I see and hear makes me think the cultures and religions of the region are barbaric. Obviously, there are exceptions like in every other area on Earth. Can anyone explain to me what GOOD reason there could possibly be for the constant instability of the region? It seems to have gotten to the point that everything is done in retaliation. Payback for something that the other side did. Like gangs here in America that go back and forth killing each other for no other reason than for revenge or because of some meaningless differences. inb4 some bullshit about land/religion/culture being a "good" reason.
... Yes. land, religion, and culture are "bullshit" reasons now?
You'd think since America has been invading/liberating Middle Eastern states for the past 40 some years you'd have some idea what's going on down there...
Huh?
My point is that land, religion, and arguably culture can be hugely significant reasons for conflict. |
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| ayaz2810 United States. July 20 2012 08:12. Posts 725 | Profile # |
On July 20 2012 08:07 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 07:38 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:42 Crownlol wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:24 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:22 Crownlol wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:23 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get how this was not expected? Israel has been doing Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian assassinations/abductions for over 10 years. I guess now its officially a proxy war than one-sided assassinations.
Uh, what? Palestinians have been performing terror attacks on civilians for just as long as Israelis have been performing assassinations. Calling it one-sided is the most absurd and naive statement in this whole thread. Say what you want about the conflict, at least Israel attacks military and high-profile targets. Palestinians intentionally target civilian areas, markets, etc. If Israel wanted to, they could make things pretty bad. Iran/Syria/Palestinians are just lucky that they don't.
WHat do you think it will happen if a war starts between israel and iran ? do you think it will be all good for the israelis as well? if war starts it will be hell all over the middle east, i don't think israel would be able to recover after such a war.
Historically, Israel has done just dandy in wars in the middle east (6 day war, etc.). That having been said, of course I do not wish for a war. There isn't much that will ever stabilize that region until a government comes in and spends the money to develop true infrastructure and invest on its civilians, and not just make the royal family superwealthy. Odds of that happening?
I would love to know just what the fuck these people are fighting for? I don't pay much attention to the middle east. I'll admit that up front. It may come off as ignorant, but everything I see and hear makes me think the cultures and religions of the region are barbaric. Obviously, there are exceptions like in every other area on Earth. Can anyone explain to me what GOOD reason there could possibly be for the constant instability of the region? It seems to have gotten to the point that everything is done in retaliation. Payback for something that the other side did. Like gangs here in America that go back and forth killing each other for no other reason than for revenge or because of some meaningless differences. inb4 some bullshit about land/religion/culture being a "good" reason.
... Yes. land, religion, and culture are "bullshit" reasons now?
Not now. Forever and always.
Fighting over land is absurd unless you are using every scrap your country owns, OR it has some valuable resource that would mean the difference between your particular country living and dying.
Religion and culture.... I'm not even going to touch that. I'll end up flipping out about the absurdity of that idea.
Also, to the gentleman that replied to my post further up the page, I appreciate the honest answer and the lack of condescension that I don't see often on the internet.
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| NeMeSiS3 Canada. July 20 2012 08:18. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 05:44 dudeman001 wrote:I'm so sad to hear terrorism still so prevalent after all this time. Absolutely terrible  And those terrorists made a very stupid mistake targeting Israelis.
The war on terror is very similar to the war on drugs, if anything it harbors and increases the demand. I KNOW that sounds crazy, but if you follow both lines from start to where they currently are, you see some striking similarities.
I don't think suicide bombers really care about that "mistake" they have a belief that they are doing it for the right reasons, that is enough. It's wrong, but that's that. Religion can take logic and shit it out as rainbows and butterflies holding Ak-47's and RPG's. It also can save lives and teach good morals. Yin yang T.T |
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| Elegy United States. July 20 2012 08:22. Posts 1515 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 08:12 ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 08:07 Elegy wrote:
On July 20 2012 07:38 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:42 Crownlol wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:24 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:22 Crownlol wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:23 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get how this was not expected? Israel has been doing Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian assassinations/abductions for over 10 years. I guess now its officially a proxy war than one-sided assassinations.
Uh, what? Palestinians have been performing terror attacks on civilians for just as long as Israelis have been performing assassinations. Calling it one-sided is the most absurd and naive statement in this whole thread. Say what you want about the conflict, at least Israel attacks military and high-profile targets. Palestinians intentionally target civilian areas, markets, etc. If Israel wanted to, they could make things pretty bad. Iran/Syria/Palestinians are just lucky that they don't.
WHat do you think it will happen if a war starts between israel and iran ? do you think it will be all good for the israelis as well? if war starts it will be hell all over the middle east, i don't think israel would be able to recover after such a war.
Historically, Israel has done just dandy in wars in the middle east (6 day war, etc.). That having been said, of course I do not wish for a war. There isn't much that will eve r stabilize that region until a government comes in and spends the money to develop true infrastructure and invest on its civilians, and not just make the royal family superwealthy. Odds of that happening?
I would love to know just what the fuck these people are fighting for? I don't pay much attention to the middle east. I'll admit that up front. It may come off as ignorant, but everything I see and hear makes me think the cultures and religions of the region are barbaric. Obviously, there are exceptions like in every other area on Earth. Can anyone explain to me what GOOD reason there could possibly be for the constant instability of the region? It seems to have gotten to the point that everything is done in retaliation. Payback for something that the other side did. Like gangs here in America that go back and forth killing each other for no other reason than for revenge or because of some meaningless differences. inb4 some bullshit about land/religion/culture being a "good" reason.
... Yes. land, religion, and culture are "bullshit" reasons now?
Not now. Forever and always. Fighting over land is absurd unless you are using every scrap your country owns, OR it has some valuable resource that would mean the difference between your particular country living and dying. Religion and culture.... I'm not even going to touch that. I'll end up flipping out about the absurdity of that idea. Also, to the gentleman that replied to my post further up the page, I appreciate the honest answer and the lack of condescension that I don't see often on the internet.
You seem to have a complete lack of empathy.
For the religious, religion is a perfectly valid cause of conflict. Just because YOU don't think so means nothing, as you are not involved in the situation nor historical context at all.
Your point about land is also wrong. Even a cursory look at proposed two state solutions features land as a critical component, for reasons far more complex than mere resources. Demographics, security concerns, water rights, border alignment, and sociocultural ties to land are hugely significant causes of controversy.
Deriding the conflict as lacking valid reasons is silly, asbit seems you haven't made an honest effort to understand the complexities of the psychology of the situation...land, religion, and culture are very important for people experiencing conflict where these matter.
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| XenOmega Canada. July 20 2012 08:23. Posts 1006 | Profile Blog # |
From my perspective of liberal, religions and cultures can be bad reasons to fight. People should have the right to decide what to believe in, and no one should have the right to coerce other into their beliefs... Same for culture. I think that's what ayaz2810 meant when he said those were 'bullshit' reasons to fight. You don't fight for religion or culture, because that is not a just cause for war. You fight because the other side, not only doesn't tolerate you, but wants to destroy you.
but I don't think Middle-East is about religion or culture anymore (minor reasons). Its just two side (I'm generalizing) not tolerating each other. And someone pointed it out already. All we see right now is vengeance over vengeance ; I doubt we can say that one side is the good, the other is bad. Both side have their hands stained.Last edit: 2012-07-20 08:24:41 |
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| NeMeSiS3 Canada. July 20 2012 08:25. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 08:22 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 08:12 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:07 Elegy wrote:
On July 20 2012 07:38 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:42 Crownlol wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:24 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:22 Crownlol wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:23 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get how this was not expected? Israel has been doing Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian assassinations/abductions for over 10 years. I guess now its officially a proxy war than one-sided assassinations.
Uh, what? Palestinians have been performing terror attacks on civilians for just as long as Israelis have been performing assassinations. Calling it one-sided is the most absurd and naive statement in this whole thread. Say what you want about the conflict, at least Israel attacks military and high-profile targets. Palestinians intentionally target civilian areas, markets, etc. If Israel wanted to, they could make things pretty bad. Iran/Syria/Palestinians are just lucky that they don't.
WHat do you think it will happen if a war starts between israel and iran ? do you think it will be all good for the israelis as well? if war starts it will be hell all over the middle east, i don't think israel would be able to recover after such a war.
Historically, Israel has done just dandy in wars in the middle east (6 day war, etc.). That having been said, of course I do not wish for a war. There isn't much that will eve r stabilize that region until a government comes in and spends the money to develop true infrastructure and invest on its civilians, and not just make the royal family superwealthy. Odds of that happening?
I would love to know just what the fuck these people are fighting for? I don't pay much attention to the middle east. I'll admit that up front. It may come off as ignorant, but everything I see and hear makes me think the cultures and religions of the region are barbaric. Obviously, there are exceptions like in every other area on Earth. Can anyone explain to me what GOOD reason there could possibly be for the constant instability of the region? It seems to have gotten to the point that everything is done in retaliation. Payback for something that the other side did. Like gangs here in America that go back and forth killing each other for no other reason than for revenge or because of some meaningless differences. inb4 some bullshit about land/religion/culture being a "good" reason.
... Yes. land, religion, and culture are "bullshit" reasons now?
Not now. Forever and always. Fighting over land is absurd unless you are using every scrap your country owns, OR it has some valuable resource that would mean the difference between your particular country living and dying. Religion and culture.... I'm not even going to touch that. I'll end up flipping out about the absurdity of that idea. Also, to the gentleman that replied to my post further up the page, I appreciate the honest answer and the lack of condescension that I don't see often on the internet.
You seem to have a complete lack of empathy. For the religious, religion is a perfectly valid cause of conflict. Just because YOU don't think so means nothing, as you are not involved in the situation nor historical context at all. Your point about land is also wrong. Even a cursory look at proposed two state solutions features land as a critical component, for reasons far more complex than mere resources. Demographics, security concerns, water rights, border alignment, and sociocultural ties to land are hugely significant causes of controversy. Deriding the conflict as lacking valid reasons is silly, asbit seems you haven't made an honest effort to understand the complexities of the psychology of the situation...land, religion, and culture are very important for people experiencing conflict where these matter.
How is religion a perfectly valid cause of conflict? My god has a bigger dick than your god? Get real, the three major Abrahamic religions have been squabbling for who's giant man with the spanking paddle is less imaginary than the other when all of there stories are nearly exactly the same. Take Comparative World Religions to see how absurd that is.
The ideal to "love eachother" which is generally inherent in most religions is great, but the fact it basically says "unless they believe in another religion, then kill them" IS A LITTLE BIT CONTRADICTORY. You honestly believe religion is a valid reason for conflict, you are... Gah. You are stupid.
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| XenOmega Canada. July 20 2012 08:27. Posts 1006 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 08:22 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 08:12 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:07 Elegy wrote:
On July 20 2012 07:38 ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:42 Crownlol wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:24 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 20 2012 06:22 Crownlol wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:23 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get how this was not expected? Israel has been doing Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian assassinations/abductions for over 10 years. I guess now its officially a proxy war than one-sided assassinations.
Uh, what? Palestinians have been performing terror attacks on civilians for just as long as Israelis have been performing assassinations. Calling it one-sided is the most absurd and naive statement in this whole thread. Say what you want about the conflict, at least Israel attacks military and high-profile targets. Palestinians intentionally target civilian areas, markets, etc. If Israel wanted to, they could make things pretty bad. Iran/Syria/Palestinians are just lucky that they don't.
WHat do you think it will happen if a war starts between israel and iran ? do you think it will be all good for the israelis as well? if war starts it will be hell all over the middle east, i don't think israel would be able to recover after such a war.
Historically, Israel has done just dandy in wars in the middle east (6 day war, etc.). That having been said, of course I do not wish for a war. There isn't much that will eve r stabilize that region until a government comes in and spends the money to develop true infrastructure and invest on its civilians, and not just make the royal family superwealthy. Odds of that happening?
I would love to know just what the fuck these people are fighting for? I don't pay much attention to the middle east. I'll admit that up front. It may come off as ignorant, but everything I see and hear makes me think the cultures and religions of the region are barbaric. Obviously, there are exceptions like in every other area on Earth. Can anyone explain to me what GOOD reason there could possibly be for the constant instability of the region? It seems to have gotten to the point that everything is done in retaliation. Payback for something that the other side did. Like gangs here in America that go back and forth killing each other for no other reason than for revenge or because of some meaningless differences. inb4 some bullshit about land/religion/culture being a "good" reason.
... Yes. land, religion, and culture are "bullshit" reasons now?
Not now. Forever and always. Fighting over land is absurd unless you are using every scrap your country owns, OR it has some valuable resource that would mean the difference between your particular country living and dying. Religion and culture.... I'm not even going to touch that. I'll end up flipping out about the absurdity of that idea. Also, to the gentleman that replied to my post further up the page, I appreciate the honest answer and the lack of condescension that I don't see often on the internet.
You seem to have a complete lack of empathy. For the religious, religion is a perfectly valid cause of conflict. Just because YOU don't think so means nothing, as you are not involved in the situation nor historical context at all. Your point about land is also wrong. Even a cursory look at proposed two state solutions features land as a critical component, for reasons far more complex than mere resources. Demographics, security concerns, water rights, border alignment, and sociocultural ties to land are hugely significant causes of controversy. Deriding the conflict as lacking valid reasons is silly, asbit seems you haven't made an honest effort to understand the complexities of the psychology of the situation...land, religion, and culture are very important for people experiencing conflict where these matter.
What you seem to claim is absolute subjectivity : everyone's reason is good because they believe in them.
I think we can all agree that these are some of the reasons invoked, but that doesn't mean they are good reasons. |
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| Elegy United States. July 20 2012 08:31. Posts 1515 | Profile Blog # |
They are good reasons for those involved, and refusing to acknowledge them as even potentially valid reasons for conflict or refusing to see HOW they could be construed as such is useless for understanding the situation in its entirety. on my phone so sorry for lack of explanation
And don't be silly or call me stupid. my viewpoint is one that actually attempts to understand, not merely condemn. If you went to a peace conference saying none kf these reasons for conflict are valid, you'd be laughed out of the room. Yes, by our standards religion is a terrible reason for.conflict and.i.never said it was a valid one, but again it is a reason that is valid in the eyes of the religious and as such must be treated with at least a nod to that effect see?Last edit: 2012-07-20 08:37:15 |
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| NeMeSiS3 Canada. July 20 2012 08:50. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
| edit not wasting time Last edit: 2012-07-20 08:51:49 |
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| Cuce Turkey. July 20 2012 08:51. Posts 830 | Profile # |
| he didnt dissmiss the existance of conflicts based on religion or culture, he said it is stupid. |
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| Elegy United States. July 20 2012 09:07. Posts 1515 | Profile Blog # |
I don't think we're actually disagreeing. My point is that saying religion culture and land are stupid reasons for war means you aren't attempting to immerse yourself in the situation at hand is all
Yes, they are stupid reasons. To us. Nowhere in the laws of the universe is that written though. Just keep in mind you can't ask what reasons there are for conflict and only focus on "good" reasons. You'd be looking at half the.picture or, even worse, seeing the whole picture but Not fully comprehending the very real importance and perceived validity of the subjects mentioned before
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| NeMeSiS3 Canada. July 20 2012 09:27. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 09:07 Elegy wrote:
I don't think we're actually disagreeing. My point is that saying religion culture and land are stupid reasons for war means you aren't attempting to immerse yourself in the situation at hand is all
Yes, they are stupid reasons. To us. Nowhere in the laws of the universe is that written though. Just keep in mind you can't ask what reasons there are for conflict and only focus on "good" reasons. You'd be looking at half the.picture or, even worse, seeing the whole picture but Not fully comprehending the very real importance and perceived validity of the subjects mentioned before
If a psychotic person decides that he should kill someone, I suppose that is a valid thing to do? He believes it, we better not step on those toes. That is the argument that I'm hearing from you.
Religion goes to war,some people believe it is for a good reason, so they go to war, we should accept that because its their valid reason. Man goes on killing spree, some people believe it is for a good reason, so they join him, we should accept that because its "their" valid reason. |
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| Elegy United States. July 20 2012 09:41. Posts 1515 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 09:27 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 09:07 Elegy wrote:
I don't think we're actually disagreeing. My point is that saying religion culture and land are stupid reasons for war means you aren't attempting to immerse yourself in the situation at hand is all
Yes, they are stupid reasons. To us. Nowhere in the laws of the universe is that written though. Just keep in mind you can't ask what reasons there are for conflict and only focus on "good" reasons. You'd be looking at half the.picture or, even worse, seeing the whole picture but Not fully comprehending the very real importance and perceived validity of the subjects mentioned before
If a psychotic person decides that he should kill someone, I suppose that is a valid thing to do? He believes it, we better not step on those toes. That is the argument that I'm hearing from you. Religion goes to war,some people believe it is for a good reason, so they go to war, we should accept that because its their valid reason. Man goes on killing spree, some people believe it is for a good reason, so they join him, we should accept that because its "their" valid reason.
You misunderstand.
Yes, the reason is not valid to us and the vast sane population. But thats not what im arguing and never had. Merely that the reason is valid to HIM and that must be, as a matter of common sense, acknowledged as a very real aspect of HIS decision making.
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| SayGen United States. July 20 2012 10:13. Posts 1190 | Profile # |
If there was ever a group of people I felt sorry for it is the Jews. No matter where they go they are hated.
I only know 2 jews personally, and they are both decent human beings.
I hope Israel finds peace, and can stay a home for the jewish people who have been scattered/displaced across this planet since the dawn of civilization |
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| bonse July 20 2012 16:46. Posts 118 | Profile # |
From Associated Press:
"A U.S. official says the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah is believed to have been behind the suicide bombing that killed at least seven people on a bus full of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria.
The official spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. He did not elaborate."
So it seems the Israeli prime minister knew what he was talking about when he placed the blame on Hezbollah... What will all the haters say now? Oh, I know: it's a conspiracy / lie / Freemasons / Jews rule over US / Jews rule over AP / show me the sensitive intelligence. |
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| zalz Netherlands. July 20 2012 16:59. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 10:13 SayGen wrote:
If there was ever a group of people I felt sorry for it is the Jews. No matter where they go they are hated.
I only know 2 jews personally, and they are both decent human beings.
I hope Israel finds peace, and can stay a home for the jewish people who have been scattered/displaced across this planet since the dawn of civilization
I used to be largely neutral on Israel/Palestine, and though I still consider either side to be far from the ideal, I have begun to develop a greater understanding for Israel and the jews.
The fact is, the jews are still easily the most hated people in the entire world. The world didn't learn that much from the second world war, least of all the muslims. Now, I understand that WW2 wasn't as big of a deal for the middle-east, which was left relatively untouched by it, but muslims, by and large, are very anti-semitic. Composing of about 1.2 billion people, that already makes the situation very dangerous for the give or take 10 million jews.
I live in Holland, not a bad place to live most would say.
I was in a discussion with a friend who was Jewish, and I said I doubted that Israel's existence was as precarious as the Israeli's and the jews themselves believed. I argued that after world war 2, most people have learned their lesson.
In turn, he proposed that we would go out that night, and I would wear a white T-shirt that read "I <3 Israel" with the <3 being the blue star of David.
The fact that I instantly felt anxious about doing so should have told me enough, but I pressed on and accepted the offer. I don't think I have ever been harassed that much in my life, even being attacked physically.
I won't ever know what it is like to be a Jew, but I like to think I might have had a glimmer of insight by wearing that shirt. Now the average Jew might not stand out and could perfectly blend, but isn't that already acknowledging the problem? That they can only be a part of society if they manage to hide themselves?
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| Zocat Germany. July 20 2012 17:13. Posts 1779 | Profile # |
On July 20 2012 16:46 bonse wrote:
From Associated Press:
"A U.S. official says the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah is believed to have been behind the suicide bombing that killed at least seven people on a bus full of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria.
The official spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. He did not elaborate."
So it seems the Israeli prime minister knew what he was talking about when he placed the blame on Hezbollah... What will all the haters say now? Oh, I know: it's a conspiracy / lie / Freemasons / Jews rule over US / Jews rule over AP / show me the sensitive intelligence.
Just want to add:
"The attacks, the official said, were in retaliation for the assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists by Israeli agents," |
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| Funnytoss Taiwan. July 20 2012 17:23. Posts 1340 | Profile Blog # |
First of all, I think it's best to take anonymous quotes with a grain of salt. Sadly, the U.S. hasn't proved itself to be a particularly objective witness of the Israel vs rest of the Middle East conflict. Secondly, Iranian-backed =/= Iranian. Would the Taliban be justified in retaliating against the United States because we backed the Northern Alliance, their enemy? It's not the exact same thing.
And it's a slightly awkward situation because when Israel attacks Iranian civilians (ex: scientists), most people just shrug. But kind of flip things around, and the war drums begin to beat.Last edit: 2012-07-20 17:26:37 |
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| Vivax Italy. July 20 2012 17:34. Posts 3820 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 16:59 zalz wrote:
I was in a discussion with a friend who was Jewish, and I said I doubted that Israel's existence was as precarious as the Israeli's and the jews themselves believed. I argued that after world war 2, most people have learned their lesson.
In turn, he proposed that we would go out that night, and I would wear a white T-shirt that read "I <3 Israel" with the <3 being the blue star of David.
The fact that I instantly felt anxious about doing so should have told me enough, but I pressed on and accepted the offer. I don't think I have ever been harassed that much in my life, even being attacked physically.
Lol pretty sick to read this. Didn't imagine it was that easy for jews to get into the crosshair. You should have written a blog about that  . Do you feel that you were threatened more by people of apparent middle-east origin or equally from all ethnic groups?
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I find it weird that U.S. authorities make connections to Iran almost immediately after the bombing. What happened is especially sad cause those were civilians, but I feel that Israel and the US just try to instrumentalize the events to push an obvious agenda. We've been reading about the threats against Iran for ages, and noone wants another Iraq-like war after that first flop and the lies about WMD as partial casus belli. |
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