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| Goozen Israel. July 19 2012 10:22. Posts 620 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:14 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:11 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:07 NeMeSiS3 wrote:I will try to find link, but a Russian site I was on... gah I can't recall it (I'll go look) said that Putin just placed ICBM's online and his Missile Forces on "high alert". If anyone can find/link that info that'd be great. It was in wake of Israel's "pending attack on Iran" and "Total War Scenario" going to look now.
o_o please find that link
Links rather propaganda so I wouldn't delve to far into it, but apparently "from the kremlin" they engaged there ICBM's in prep. I would take this with a grain of salt, like I said it's not a "reliable" source, but it is still a scary thought. Something to note. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTH_Topol_M <--- missile that would be used. "According to Russia the missile is designed to be immune to any current or planned U.S. missile defence system. It is claimed to be capable of making evasive maneuvers to avoid a kill by terminal phase interceptors, and carries targeting countermeasures and decoys. It is shielded against radiation, EMP, nuclear explosions at distances over 500 meters, and is designed to survive a hit from any laser technology. One of the Topol-M's most notable features is its short engine burn time following take-off, intended to minimize satellite detection of launches and thereby complicate both early warning and interception by missile defense systems during boost phase. The missile also has a relatively flat ballistic trajectory, complicating defense acquisition and interception. According to The Washington Times, Russia has conducted a successful test of the evasive payload delivery system. The missile was launched on November 1, 2005 from the Kapustin Yar facility. The warhead changed course after separating from the launcher, making it difficult to predict a re-entry trajectory."
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:13 Goozen wrote:Basically targeted killings of those behind the attacks. None of the news sites here have even suggested going to war over this.
Similar to the US "strikes" on quote "non-civilian targets" which lead to massive civilian casualties? Imagine. Funny world we live in today where "killing" someone on another nations land over a hair of evidence is not "war" but just, you know, a fun day in the Middle East.
I have seen how the US do it, and no not like that. look at this example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh
On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
Yes, and that is whats called "circumstantial evidence" and this is what the public know and im sure there is a lot more detailed info that we dont know.
Also as i have said, only Iran and Hezbollah by proxy have bombed Israelis out side of the state, no one else ever has. Last edit: 2012-07-19 10:24:32 |
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| MethodSC United States. July 19 2012 10:23. Posts 905 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
If you look at his profile, 90% of his posts are either in defense of israel or pointing out how bad islamist extremist groups are. Taking any of his posts seriously at this point will just result in you getting mad, and him telling you to take your tin foil hat off. If dear leader said there is evidence, then there is evidence and that is final. No questions asked. |
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| Goozen Israel. July 19 2012 10:26. Posts 620 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:23 MethodSC wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
If you look at his profile, 90% of his posts are either in defense of israel or pointing out how bad islamist extremist groups are. Taking any of his posts seriously at this point will just result in you getting mad, and him telling you to take your tin foil hat off. If dear leader said there is evidence, then there is evidence and that is final. No questions asked.
Perhaps you could bother replying to my post then and say what kind of evidence would be acceptable then?
Also islamist extremist groups arent bad?
But as you are a senior Intel officer (perhaps even head of the CIA) and you say there is no evidence, clearly there is none.
Edit: Unlike you i trust my government and i know that our press is free and spares no criticism of it. I believe that at least as far as nation security goes my government protects me and looks out for me.Last edit: 2012-07-19 10:30:31 |
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| MethodSC United States. July 19 2012 10:30. Posts 905 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:26 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:23 MethodSC wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
If you look at his profile, 90% of his posts are either in defense of israel or pointing out how bad islamist extremist groups are. Taking any of his posts seriously at this point will just result in you getting mad, and him telling you to take your tin foil hat off. If dear leader said there is evidence, then there is evidence and that is final. No questions asked.
Perhaps you could bother replying to my post then and say what kind of evidence would be acceptable then? Also islamist extremist groups arent bad? But as you are a senior Intel officer (perhaps even head of the CIA) and you say there is no evidence, clearly there is none.
Bold the part where I said there is no evidence. Also link to something that shows evidence, otherwise no conclusion can be drawn. Evidence that is acceptable? Any at this point, because as of right now, you've provided none, and neither has your PM. Baseless claims are not acceptable. |
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| Epithet United States. July 19 2012 10:30. Posts 618 | Profile Blog # |
Everybody quick - Take off your "tinfoil hats" so Goozen will listen to us and respond in an objective and unbiased fashion! *Rolls eyes*  |
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 Silidons United States. July 19 2012 10:32. Posts 2785 | Profile Blog # |
| also, just wanted to say this is a perfect example of a self-fulfilled prophecy. religious people all know the holy books talk about a giant holy war, and they're TRYING to make it happen because they believe it will since it says so in the books. but they're the ones who are going to make it happen because they want it to. |
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| Goozen Israel. July 19 2012 10:36. Posts 620 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:30 MethodSC wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:26 Goozen wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:23 MethodSC wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
If you look at his profile, 90% of his posts are either in defense of israel or pointing out how bad islamist extremist groups are. Taking any of his posts seriously at this point will just result in you getting mad, and him telling you to take your tin foil hat off. If dear leader said there is evidence, then there is evidence and that is final. No questions asked.
Perhaps you could bother replying to my post then and say what kind of evidence would be acceptable then? Also islamist extremist groups arent bad? But as you are a senior Intel officer (perhaps even head of the CIA) and you say there is no evidence, clearly there is none.
Bold the part where I said there is no evidence. Also link to something that shows evidence, otherwise no conclusion can be drawn. Evidence that is acceptable? Any at this point, because as of right now, you've provided none, and neither has your PM. Baseless claims are not acceptable.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/07/18/israel-warned-of-bulgaria-attack-in-january/
And also how many leaders have said its too early blame Iran? I am willing to accept that i wont get to see every or even alot of the evidence for obvious reasons.
Why should i not trust the elected leader?
Despite what many here seem to think, this wont lead to open war and had he wanted to there is alot of publicly proven evedince against Iran to do so.
On July 19 2012 10:32 Silidons wrote:
also, just wanted to say this is a perfect example of a self-fulfilled prophecy. religious people all know the holy books talk about a giant holy war, and they're TRYING to make it happen because they believe it will since it says so in the books. but they're the ones who are going to make it happen because they want it to.
No giant holy war prophecy in Jewdisam.Last edit: 2012-07-19 10:38:30 |
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| NeMeSiS3 Canada. July 19 2012 10:38. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 10:30 Epithet wrote:Everybody quick - Take off your "tinfoil hats" so Goozen will listen to us and respond in an objective and unbiased fashion! *Rolls eyes*
You stop it right there! I shall dawn my "tinfoil hat" of questioning, and Goozen shall have to deal with it! |
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| MethodSC United States. July 19 2012 10:50. Posts 905 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:36 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:30 MethodSC wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:26 Goozen wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:23 MethodSC wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
If you look at his profile, 90% of his posts are either in defense of israel or pointing out how bad islamist extremist groups are. Taking any of his posts seriously at this point will just result in you getting mad, and him telling you to take your tin foil hat off. If dear leader said there is evidence, then there is evidence and that is final. No questions asked.
Perhaps you could bother replying to my post then and say what kind of evidence would be acceptable then? Also islamist extremist groups arent bad? But as you are a senior Intel officer (perhaps even head of the CIA) and you say there is no evidence, clearly there is none.
Bold the part where I said there is no evidence. Also link to something that shows evidence, otherwise no conclusion can be drawn. Evidence that is acceptable? Any at this point, because as of right now, you've provided none, and neither has your PM. Baseless claims are not acceptable.
And also how many leaders have said its too early blame Iran? I am willing to accept that i wont get to see every or even alot of the evidence for obvious reasons. Why should i not trust the elected leader? Despite what many here seem to think, this wont lead to open war and had he wanted to there is alot of publicly proven evedince against Iran to do so.
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:32 Silidons wrote:
also, just wanted to say this is a perfect example of a self-fulfilled prophecy. religious people all know the holy books talk about a giant holy war, and they're TRYING to make it happen because they believe it will since it says so in the books. but they're the ones who are going to make it happen because they want it to.
No giant holy war prophecy in Jewdisam.
So nothing, then? Well at least you're consistent. |
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| uiCk Canada. July 19 2012 11:16. Posts 1906 | Profile Blog # |
Lol goozen. A false flag, fabricated attack, to remove an or an in president has already been done. So if there will be some kind of attacks, war, track record dictates it was fabricated.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
Would be 2nd time it happens to Iran if this is truly a false flag.
Shame on u for blindly trusting your gov.
PS. Speculating who did the attacks does not make this event any less tragic.Last edit: 2012-07-19 11:21:19 |
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| Daitakk July 19 2012 11:31. Posts 77 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:36 Goozen wrote:
Why should i not trust the elected leader?
Hitler was an elected leader. |
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| HellRoxYa Sweden. July 19 2012 11:47. Posts 1522 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 11:31 Daitakk wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:36 Goozen wrote:
Why should i not trust the elected leader?
Hitler was an elected leader.
Remarkably good point. |
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| Blanke Canada. July 19 2012 11:50. Posts 173 | Profile # |
| So when Netanyahu promises to "respond strongly against the Iranian Terror," what exactly does he have in mind? If it were all just hot air he would look weak as a leader and reflect North Korea's habit of all bark and no bite. |
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| DannyJ United States. July 19 2012 11:54. Posts 3712 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 11:47 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:31 Daitakk wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:36 Goozen wrote:
Why should i not trust the elected leader?
Hitler was an elected leader.
Remarkably good point.
Kind of...
He didn't exactly win his ultimate position by democratic means.Last edit: 2012-07-19 11:55:16 |
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| perser84 Germany. July 19 2012 12:15. Posts 393 | Profile # |
iran killed diplomats in response for killing iranian scientist in the past
from a iranian standpoint i dont see any gain for the regime to kill some tourist unless they are high ranked goverment officials
its very funny how Netanyahu later accused iran is behind it without any evidence
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| Euronyme Sweden. July 19 2012 12:15. Posts 3780 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 10:36 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:30 MethodSC wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:26 Goozen wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:23 MethodSC wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
If you look at his profile, 90% of his posts are either in defense of israel or pointing out how bad islamist extremist groups are. Taking any of his posts seriously at this point will just result in you getting mad, and him telling you to take your tin foil hat off. If dear leader said there is evidence, then there is evidence and that is final. No questions asked.
Perhaps you could bother replying to my post then and say what kind of evidence would be acceptable then? Also islamist extremist groups arent bad? But as you are a senior Intel officer (perhaps even head of the CIA) and you say there is no evidence, clearly there is none.
Bold the part where I said there is no evidence. Also link to something that shows evidence, otherwise no conclusion can be drawn. Evidence that is acceptable? Any at this point, because as of right now, you've provided none, and neither has your PM. Baseless claims are not acceptable.
And also how many leaders have said its too early blame Iran? I am willing to accept that i wont get to see every or even alot of the evidence for obvious reasons. Why should i not trust the elected leader? Despite what many here seem to think, this wont lead to open war and had he wanted to there is alot of publicly proven evedince against Iran to do so.
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:32 Silidons wrote:
also, just wanted to say this is a perfect example of a self-fulfilled prophecy. religious people all know the holy books talk about a giant holy war, and they're TRYING to make it happen because they believe it will since it says so in the books. but they're the ones who are going to make it happen because they want it to.
No giant holy war prophecy in Jewdisam.
Look, first of all you seem very OK with the fact that you'll never see any evidence. This, to me, seems like the final product of a totalitarian regime. The people are OK with the government doing absolutely anything they want, as they put 100% trust in that they know best and that the people doesn't need to be confided with information.
Is that how your justice system works? A guy is charged with murder. His lawyer asks "where's the evidence? Is there anything that points towards this man being a killer?"
The judge answers "I'm not going to tell you. Hereby I sentence him to death"
What the fuck kind of mind set is that that you're totally fine with that?
You think Iran is guilty because there's circumstantial evidence that this has been done before? Wow.. That's like blaming every murder in a country on one guy. "Well he's killed a guy before, he probably killed this guy to."
That's, pardon my French, retarded.
So far there's absolutely no evidence, and without evidence you're shit out of luck if you even want to be calling yourself democratic. |
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| -_-Quails Australia. July 19 2012 13:59. Posts 793 | Profile # |
Condolences to the familiesof the dead. I hope that all the remaining injured recover.
On July 19 2012 10:26 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:23 MethodSC wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:19 Dagobert wrote:Do you even know what 'evidence' means?
If you look at his profile, 90% of his posts are either in defense of israel or pointing out how bad islamist extremist groups are. Taking any of his posts seriously at this point will just result in you getting mad, and him telling you to take your tin foil hat off. If dear leader said there is evidence, then there is evidence and that is final. No questions asked.
Perhaps you could bother replying to my post then and say what kind of evidence would be acceptable then? Also islamist extremist groups arent bad? But as you are a senior Intel officer (perhaps even head of the CIA) and you say there is no evidence, clearly there is none. Edit: Unlike you i trust my government and i know that our press is free and spares no criticism of it. I believe that at least as far as nation security goes my government protects me and looks out for me.
Objectively I would disagree with you about press freedom in Israel - as do the agencies dedicated to monitoring press freedom. Loving your government is fine, but blinding yourself to its flaws is both stupid and dangerous.
Also, this is probably not a good thread for tinfoil hat vs tinfoil hat discussions.Last edit: 2012-07-19 14:01:39 |
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| mdb July 19 2012 15:11. Posts 3568 | Profile Blog # |
According to Bulgarian media the reason for the blast was a suicide bomber with fake USA passport. Unfortunately one of the victims is a fellow Bulgarian.
I`m very sad for the victims, but at the same time I`m extremely angry at all the countries in the middle east (including Israel) who cant get their shit together and settle their conflicts. Bringing terrorism to a country which historically has been tolerant to all religions, countries and minorities and always has been an island of peace in an area with so many ethnic conflicts like the Balkans.
According to many people here this attack will be devastating for the tourism industry (which is one of the main sources of income for many,many people) in a poor country like Bulgaria.
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| ShadeR Australia. July 19 2012 15:19. Posts 6603 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 11:54 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:47 HellRoxYa wrote:
On July 19 2012 11:31 Daitakk wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:36 Goozen wrote:
Why should i not trust the elected leader?
Hitler was an elected leader.
Remarkably good point.
Kind of... He didn't exactly win his ultimate position by democratic means.
The current state of democracy is a farce! |
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| darkness Bulgaria. July 19 2012 16:44. Posts 2662 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 15:11 mdb wrote:
According to Bulgarian media the reason for the blast was a suicide bomber with fake USA passport. Unfortunately one of the victims is a fellow Bulgarian.
I`m very sad for the victims, but at the same time I`m extremely angry at all the countries in the middle east (including Israel) who cant get their shit together and settle their conflicts. Bringing terrorism to a country which historically has been tolerant to all religions, countries and minorities and always has been an island of peace in an area with so many ethnic conflicts like the Balkans.
According to many people here this attack will be devastating for the tourism industry (which is one of the main sources of income for many,many people) in a poor country like Bulgaria.
I doubt it's going to affect our tourism industry too much. Terrorist acts happen even in Turkey which has better tourism industry, but I've not heard anything negative about it.
What baffles my mind is what our Prime Minister said in January regarding terrorism, it was something along the line 'We have a very good relationship with Middle Eastern countries. We have doners (or is it kebabs in English?) in every corner, so it's ok.' Even if that's true, not all terrorists are connected to governments (e.g. some people say Hezbollah is supported by Iran), so this doesn't help anyone much.Last edit: 2012-07-19 16:50:36 |
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