| FSKi July 19 2012 16:51. Posts 439 | Profile Blog # |
"In January there were reports that Israel had asked Bulgaria to tighten security for Israeli tourists travelling by bus."
This leads me to believe Israel does have credible information, and does give SOME credibility to the possibility of Iran perpetrating the attack.
These attacks in general have been going on for forty or fifty years and I for one, am sick of it. Last edit: 2012-07-19 16:57:36 |
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| d00p July 19 2012 17:00. Posts 433 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 05:15 xeo1 wrote:world war 3 brewing? 
This might very well be the most misplaced smiley face ever.
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| rhs408 United States. July 19 2012 17:01. Posts 684 | Profile # |
| I hope they have proof after outright accusing an entire COUNTRY of being behind this. |
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| FSKi July 19 2012 17:03. Posts 439 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 17:01 rhs408 wrote:
I hope they have proof after outright accusing an entire COUNTRY of being behind this.
You act like Iran is just going to take Stuxnet to the face and not retaliate? |
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| darkness Bulgaria. July 19 2012 17:05. Posts 2663 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 16:51 xodarap wrote:
"In January there were reports that Israel had asked Bulgaria to tighten security for Israeli tourists travelling by bus."
This leads me to believe Israel does have credible information, and does give SOME credibility to the possibility of Iran perpetrating the attack.
These attacks in general have been going on for forty or fifty years and I for one, am sick of it.
Yep, but they warned us for a possible attack in Sofia which is the capital city. The real attack happened in Burgas which is like 400-500 km from Sofia. Anyway, our Minister of the Interior said today: Information we received in January has nothing to do with what happened. We had nothing detected neither by our partners nor from our territory for a planned terrorist attack.
The last sentence is a bit unclear to me, but it's more or less what he said. Another Bulgarian may read this here: http://news.ibox.bg/news/id_2033331506
Edit: More news from Bulgarian media. It's believed that the terrorist was a kamikaze who was wearing sport wear. He also had a fake American driving licence from Michigan. That's all I know now. Again, I know that from the same website above.
Edit 2: BBC says:
The BBC's Chris Morris, in Sofia, said a Bulgarian official has told the BBC that CCTV footage from the airport shows a Caucasian male hanging about for some time in the airport terminal building before the explosion took place. The man is seen leaving the terminal shortly before the blast happened just outside.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18897772Last edit: 2012-07-19 17:35:36 |
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| Sub40APM July 19 2012 17:09. Posts 2038 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 17:03 xodarap wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 17:01 rhs408 wrote:
I hope they have proof after outright accusing an entire COUNTRY of being behind this.
You act like Iran is just going to take Stuxnet to the face and not retaliate?
Maybe maybe not, but i think its not too crazy to say that sometimes Western governments get carried away with the truth a bit when they want to achieve a politicla goal. Remember how Iraq was buying Nigerian yellow cake? and aluminium tubing?
Now, for the record I actually think Iran could be behind this because they do this kind of random, evil crap on a bi-decade basis. They blew up an Israeli consulate and an Israeli linked business in Buenos Aires 16-18 years ago, an embassy in London and a plane out of random spite using their Hezbollah hand puppets. But since the rhetoric emanating from both Iran and Israel has been pretty nuts the last 5 or so years I'd rather wait for the FBI to do a forensics analysis on the bomb remains or whatever. |
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| hp.Shell United States. July 19 2012 17:13. Posts 1623 | Profile Blog # |
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| -_-Quails Australia. July 19 2012 17:20. Posts 793 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 16:51 xodarap wrote:
"In January there were reports that Israel had asked Bulgaria to tighten security for Israeli tourists travelling by bus."
This leads me to believe Israel does have credible information, and does give SOME credibility to the possibility of Iran perpetrating the attack.
These attacks in general have been going on for forty or fifty years and I for one, am sick of it.
It's my understanding that the requested security increases were linked to smaller violent incidents earlier in the year rather than credible intelligence relating to this attack. I could be misinformed though. |
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| FSKi July 19 2012 17:25. Posts 439 | Profile Blog # |
| Living in America has led me not to trust any government information. Just really irks me that innocent people die over such things. |
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| YoucriedWolf Sweden. July 19 2012 17:35. Posts 904 | Profile # |
| Is it known whether the attack were organized from inside the country or not? |
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| Nomzter Sweden. July 19 2012 17:43. Posts 825 | Profile # |
who the fuck says that the iran goverment commanded the bombings and shit, might aswell be some organization like Al-qaeda
though im not denying that it's a small chance that it is the govermentLast edit: 2012-07-19 17:43:54 |
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| Manimal_pro Romania. July 19 2012 18:00. Posts 981 | Profile # |
| I'm really surprised by the fact that our southern neighbours had such an incident ... Burgas is a tourist city and I have been there as well. Not exactly the place where you'd expect terrorists to attack |
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| Nisyax Netherlands. July 19 2012 18:02. Posts 444 | Profile Blog # |
| I still remember how the airfield and bus parking lot looks when I went to sunny beach 2 years ago, hard to imagine such a thing happening.. |
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| Zocat Germany. July 19 2012 18:41. Posts 1773 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 16:51 xodarap wrote:
"In January there were reports that Israel had asked Bulgaria to tighten security for Israeli tourists travelling by bus."
This leads me to believe Israel does have credible information, and does give SOME credibility to the possibility of Iran perpetrating the attack.
These attacks in general have been going on for forty or fifty years and I for one, am sick of it.
I looked around a bit found this one:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-ministry-warns-of-terror-plot-against-israelis-in-bulgaria-1.405689
When the head of Israel’s Counterterrorism Bureau says there's nothing I'd believe him. I'd say he is more credible concerning terrorism than the Ministry of Transportation (or Israel has a big problem with communication between their bureaus). |
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| bGr.MetHiX Bulgaria. July 19 2012 18:44. Posts 366 | Profile # |
| Im from Bourgas,i was at the airport at the same time but the previous day.im really shocked...sad thing is such kind of things will hurt bulgaria's tourism and i gotta say its pretty frightening our goverment doesnt give a shit about security. |
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| AttackZerg United States. July 19 2012 18:49. Posts 6322 | Profile Blog # |
I want to see the passenger manifests. Iran or any other intelligence agency would have had a target. Who was on the flight over, who drove the bus, where it blew up - maximum-minimum dramatic effect. I want to know if that bus route is common for Israeli nationals or not, what was the itinerary for the trip, what titles and how much money did the effected have, who owns the tour lines.. ect .. ect
It could be made obvious to the public that this attack wasn't a random thing, and that it was executed by professionals without disclosing enough to get people killed.
This is more constant war double-think shit. Poor people =( |
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| Goozen Israel. July 19 2012 18:54. Posts 622 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
I want to see the passenger manifests. Iran or any other intelligence agency would have had a target. Who was on the flight over, who drove the bus, where it blew up - maximum-minimum dramatic effect. I want to know if that bus route is common for Israeli nationals or not, what was the itinerary for the trip, what titles and how much money did the effected have, who owns the tour lines.. ect .. ect
It could be made obvious to the public that this attack wasn't a random thing, and that it was executed by professionals without disclosing enough to get people killed.
This is more constant war double-think shit. Poor people =(
It was a Israeli tour group and the bus was meant for them, they so far have disclosed that the Suicide bomber had a fake US passport and its still unknown how he entered Bulgaria all shows that he didnt act alone.
As far as the list of the dead its not been publish but it was a random cheap tour agency so not likely to have a high profile target. |
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| darkness Bulgaria. July 19 2012 19:15. Posts 2663 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Silvanel Poland. July 19 2012 19:22. Posts 1758 | Profile Blog # |
to me it looks more like the work of:
1.Some homegrown (meaning grown in western world) terrorist-Israeli hater.
2.Work of some country hostile to the Iran, like Saudis. To goal would be to provoke response from US and Israeli, as everything in recent middle east politics look like war preparation, a lot of shit is going towards Iran, some hostile to Iran governamnt might want to tip the scale.
3.Work of some fringe group inside Iran governamnt/ intelligence. Iran despite all its barking (which sole purpose is interal policy) doesnt want war with US. BUt there might be some parts of groups inside its governamnt that want confrontation.
4.If its really Iran, they might oparate on the assumption that US wont get involved in war before the elections, but thats like prettythin line. US might not get involved, but they might give green light to Israel. Is that Iran goal? 1v1 vs Israel? I dont think so, especially with the mess in Syria. On the other hand, they might be afraid of losing ground in middleeast and want to press isuue while they are still strong. All in all, i would be surprised if its really Iranian governemnt behind it, as this doeasnt seem like logical course of action.
PS. If Iran attacks Isreal, the US will help the no doubt, but its tottaly different matter if Israel strkes the first blow, in that case they will have to make Iran look really bad, so everything bad happaning in middleeast or to Israeli people will be Irans foult. Isreal will say so even if they will have prof that this attack for example was executed by some "neonazi or whatever" they will balme it on Iran since its in their best interest.Last edit: 2012-07-19 19:31:22 |
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| -_-Quails Australia. July 19 2012 19:45. Posts 793 | Profile # |
On July 19 2012 18:54 Goozen wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 18:49 AttackZerg wrote:
I want to see the passenger manifests. Iran or any other intelligence agency would have had a target. Who was on the flight over, who drove the bus, where it blew up - maximum-minimum dramatic effect. I want to know if that bus route is common for Israeli nationals or not, what was the itinerary for the trip, what titles and how much money did the effected have, who owns the tour lines.. ect .. ect
It could be made obvious to the public that this attack wasn't a random thing, and that it was executed by professionals without disclosing enough to get people killed.
This is more constant war double-think shit. Poor people =(
It was a Israeli tour group and the bus was meant for them, they so far have disclosed that the Suicide bomber had a fake US passport and its still unknown how he entered Bulgaria all shows that he didnt act alone. As far as the list of the dead its not been publish but it was a random cheap tour agency so not likely to have a high profile target.
Any word on the quality of the fake passport and how it was detected?
Until evidence of professionalism and multiple actors in this incident are revealed, it seems far more like a lone wolf anti-Israel or anti-semitic attack than an act by an enemy state. Since this could be counted as an act of war against Israel or Bulgaria if committed by a state then it seems unlikely that any state as stable as Iran would actively involve itself. You want to look at people more in the vein of Gaddafi than Khomeini for these kind of attacks, and he's already dead and deposed. |
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