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| LuckyLuke43 Norway. July 19 2012 09:18. Posts 166 | Profile # |
Hi guys! Thanks for taking the time to read my post 
Ok so, usually people post because they lose.. This however, is me winning a ZvT as a gold player vs. a platinum guy. The reason I'm asking for help is basically that I don't know what I'm doing RIGHT in this game, that made it feel so easy to beat him, as opposed to what I'm doing wrong in other games where I feel totally overrun..
So, if you wouldn't mind running through this little one, I would very much appreciate it!
http://sc2rep.com/replays/%28T%29AndrameDA_vs_%28Z%29zapsniff/20381
And here is one where I lost badly.
http://sc2rep.com/replays/%28T%29Marsta_vs_%28Z%29zapsniff/20383
However, perhaps this game where I lost, was mostly due to a failed last engagement, and him having good tank lines. I'm not really sure.
Thanks! <3 |
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| Voiden Australia. July 19 2012 09:40. Posts 6 | Profile # |
So far, I've watched the second one
- Successful hold on that bunker
- Good drone saturation
I noticed that you got pathogen glands for infestors but didn't produce any whatsoever, but rather teched to hive. Infestors would have held the banshee attack nicely, it did quite a bit of damage, ~26 drones killed by them, infestors are better the earlier you get as that means more fungals.
At 19:00, you had a great chance to chain fungal all those marines and then defend that push right then and there. The thing with infestor ling is you have to get in a great position and have patience, you don't want to engage in a bad position. When you engaged, he had most tanks sieged, the perfect time to engage would be when he is unsieging and moving up. Also, you want to be careful with your infestor control, you lost many infestors from those tanks, which could have been used to hold off his marine reinforcements.
In the following reinforcements he sent, you sent ~15 banelings at his 2 tanks, it would have been much more effective focusing the marines, you want lings surrounding the tanks and the fungals on marines, then the banelings to connect.
Things like these help your units survive and lose less units, making you able to defend those future reinforcements he kept sending. |
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| LuckyLuke43 Norway. July 19 2012 09:59. Posts 166 | Profile # |
Hmm, that sounds very reasonable.. Yeah I felt like that engagement was pretty shitty.. the first one was ok, but then the 2nd was worthless.. If you could now tell me what I did in the first game that was so much better, that would be awesome!
Thanks for the help tho<3 |
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| Voiden Australia. July 19 2012 10:53. Posts 6 | Profile # |
Again, nice saturation, and good timings on your upgrades and your third base, good reaction to his natural. Small improvement could be overlord spread.
eg. At all expansions, as they all cover his medivac drop routes.
- Good choice on the macro hatch as you were hovering minerals slightly
- Smart, poking in with a ling, to see what they have (You could've sent an Ovie in earlier around 6:30, you were playing fairly blind)
- You had good macro in that game, constant expanding and droning
- Well positioned static defence
- Average creep spread, could be improved
- Nice engagement at 24:00, with the infested terrans tanking damage and the ultralisks engaging to soak the tank fire
- You could've teched to ultras a lot faster then 19:00 as the terran put no pressure apart from drops
- Not sure what the spire was for, could be delayed
- With two bases and only one orbital command, he's turtling pretty hard so you're free to expand, banelings are fairly risky against this turtle play as he had those high ground tanksLast edit: 2012-07-19 11:03:21 |
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| MstrJinbo United States. July 19 2012 13:00. Posts 777 | Profile # |
Ok, I took a look at your replays and came across some things you need to work on improving. First, larva are building up at all of your hatcheries and you are not using them up even though you are floating thousands of minerals and gas. You should always use up all of your larva, At Gold/low Plat it doesn't matter too much on what you build with the all that larva so long as you actually use it.
A second serious flaw in your games is that you are not good at keeping drones on your gas. On the first game on Ohana, you built extractors at your third but never put drones into it the entire game. Though it didn't matter too much since you were so far ahead anyways. It is still a very bad habit to get into. However on the game in Shakuras Plateau banshees killed off all the drones on the gas in your natural and you never replaced the drones the whole game. You were pretty much on two gas through several minutes of the game. Again since you were not actually spending your 60+ larva the lack of gas pretty much went unnoticed. |
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| bloodmeat United States. July 19 2012 13:52. Posts 160 | Profile # |
I'll start by saying I'm rank 20 diamond which makes me a student of the game as well. I'll just echo what a few other posters mentioned. Mainly spend that larva. I only watched the game where you won, but you could have beat him so many times earlier if you were spending money on all that excess larva you had. This is something that I struggle with and I've only gotten better as I've played more and more games.
At your level I wouldn't worry too much about strategy and really try to focus on mechanics and macro. You have a pretty good grasp on what you should be building so really try to keep the money low and that supply count high. That right there should take you into high plat.
On a more hilarious note, the fact that the Terran was talking about imbalance is so funny. I'm not trying to be mean to him or you, but so many silly mistakes were made by both of you (I make plenty of them as well). You just made less of them. It had nothing to do with balance. This is something players who aren't high master or gm need to understand. If you constantly blame your losses on imbalance or cheese then you'll never be able to calm down and figure out the real reason you lost. |
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| RyLai United States. July 19 2012 17:38. Posts 266 | Profile # |
Game 1 on Ohana... I can't really say you did well as much as your opponent played beyond terribly... Maybe TvZ is his worst matchup... He got PFs instead of Orbitals, he had the worst defensive setup ever, and he didn't attack you...
What you DID do well though... Was getting all your upgrades... You did a good job defending drops too, although you still took more damage than necessary from them, which almost everyone does until Master's level where people miraculously learn that 2 actions performed in a split second can save you like 5-10 workers, which adds up over the course of several drops.
Your general watching of the minimap is really good though. It's one thing I must applaud for a gold level player, most of which tend to tunnel vision on the main screen.
Game 2 you died to Banshees. Shakuras when played properly is a Terran favored map (one of the few left). You never remade your lost Drones. As a result, your economy couldn't keep up with his, and you ended up losing. Also, you stayed on Lair tech forever... You need either Ultras or Broodlords (Broodlords preferred) to start dealing with larger Terran armies. You had a good Drone count though before you lost it. Although it should've peaked at a higher number.
The difference in both games is that in the first game, you got 3/3 as opposed to 0/3, your opponent had 2/2 as opposed to 3/3, your opponent didn't know how to push as opposed to the player in game 2 who slow pushed reasonably well, and player 1's harass got shut down completely whereas player 2's harass shut you down completely. You can't really trade with a Terran who has more than double your economy. That's the bottom line.
If you want to improve across the board, check your bases every now and then to make sure it's all fully saturated, meaning 16-20 Drones on minerals (16 ideal) and 3 Drones on each gas (3-3.5 base minerals, 4 base gas). That would've given you a stronger lead in game 1, and kept you in the game during game 2 (simply by having an economy to power your production).
Also, you always spam Lings... It helps to add in tech units when you can. Like someone mentioned earlier, earlier Infestors means more energy for Fungals using fewer Infestors. What does this mean? Infestors become potentially more cost efficient the longer you have them, meaning your gas can be spent elsewhere (like on furthering your tech or upgrades). Your engage wasn't the problem in game 2. The underlying issue was your lack of economy, followed by your lack of tech (you got Infestors WAY later than you should've, relying almost purely on Lings for a long time, also making Banelings last minute which is fine early game, but late game there's no difference economically (while having Banelings premade can save you before a Tank line is fully setup). Also, you COULD'VE gotten Broodlords as well, since you floated a ton of resources. Those with some Infestors and Banelings would've won you the game. And a tip for playing Shakuras Plateau, Take the mains and naturals first before you take the inside bases near the watch towers. Those 2 bases in the middle are the easiest for Terrans to push and deny, making them inefficient to defend unless you ABSOLUTELY require additional income. So generally as a Zerg on that map, you want to end the game when you have 4 bases, as securing a 5th and 6th base will be hell. |
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| LuckyLuke43 Norway. July 19 2012 18:06. Posts 166 | Profile # |
Wow, some really good advice here! I'm quite impressed actually.. Wasn't sure if it was gonna be a flamethread with the general "macro nub.." or not ;P So thank you all, and I'll definately be working on spending those larva, and getting better saturation; not to mention _keeping_ that saturation
Sometimes I do tend to stay on lings for way too long.. I played another game last night on Daybreak where I had the terran crushed, and I forgot banelings ;P should've sat back and morphed, but.. :S
I'll write more after I come back from springsteen concert! |
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| Voiden Australia. July 19 2012 19:33. Posts 6 | Profile # |
| Banelings aren't always necessary, you can use the baneling gas for the infestors instead, and just fungal them marines to death. They basically fulfil the same role, but Infestors can just be more effective when it comes to the lategame. |
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