| writer22816 China. July 23 2012 19:37. Posts 4772 | Profile Blog # |
| Great guide! Maybe some people are badass enough to call these "basics" but personally I found this guide to be informative and very well-written. |
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| vanTuni July 23 2012 20:29. Posts 301 | Profile # |
Great guide. I hope a LOT of people read it and stop single-stack-pulling. Also, I think this guide is advanced enough that you could include a warning to bear in mind the siege creeps when pulling. here it is:
WARNING: When about to pull your wave into a double-stacked creep camp quickly check that you are not about to pull against a siege wave. Starting at 03:00 every seventh creep wave will contain a siege creep. (06:30 ... 10:00 ... 13:30...etc). While later in the game this does not matter as much, especially the first siege creep can harm you. It is a quite common mistake to be doing well on a lane, stack the camp at 02:51-53 and then double pull at 03:15. This will mean that the enemy wave contains a siege creep. While your wave gets destroyed by the neutrals, the siege creep hammers away at your tower. Since the carry is at this point not going to be strong enough to tank the entire wave and focus the siege down, you will lose 300-500 hp on your tower for no reason at all.
In short: Do not double pull at 03:15 unless you are absolutely sure you can handle the siege creep before your tower takes significant damage.Last edit: 2012-07-23 23:35:14 |
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| PoisedYeTi Australia. July 23 2012 20:47. Posts 163 | Profile # |
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On July 23 2012 20:29 vanTuni wrote:
Great guide. I hop a LOT of people read it and people stop single-stack-pulling. Also I think this guide is advanced enough that you could include a warning to bear in mind the siege creeps when pulling. here it is:
WARNING: When about to pull your wave into a double-stacked creep camp quickly check that you are not about to pull against a siege wave. Starting at 03:00 every seventh creep wave will contain a siege creep. (06:30 ... 10:00 ... 13:30...etc). While later in the game this does not matter as much, especially the first siege creep can harm you. It is a quite common mistake to be doing well on a lane, stack the camp at 02:51-53 and then double pull at 03:15. This however will mean that the enemy wave contains a siege creep. While your wave gets destroyed by the neutrals, the siege creep hammers away at your tower. Since the carry is at this point not going to be strong enough to tank the entire wave and focus the siege down, you will lose 300-500 hp on your tower for no reason at all.
In short: Do not double pull at 03:15 unless you are absolutely sure you can handle the siege creep before your tower takes significant damage.
Grant insight. Thanks.
Also thanks to OP great guide |
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| akatama Romania. August 02 2012 06:44. Posts 405 | Profile Blog # |
| Not sure if this counts as basic or not, but a little thing I learned over time is to match player colors with the heroes they are playing in the time till the creeps spawn, and after that see where they lane. This way you can easily see what hero is missing just by looking at the minimap. Obviously if I know the enemy <insert farm dependent hero here> from another lane is missing I couldn't care less about it since even if he ganks successfully he loses farm in the long run, but if an enemy stunner or strong nuker is missing I'd go back asap. |
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| scorch- United States. August 02 2012 06:57. Posts 576 | Profile # |
One thing that you can do as radiant if the lane is pushed beyond your tower corner... if you pull the yellow camp (:51) to the right and through the trees exiting to the right of the tower, you can aggro your creeps and the camp will stack.
e: only posted this because i've never seen anyone do it.Last edit: 2012-08-02 06:58:31 |
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| Yoshi- Germany. August 02 2012 07:26. Posts 4047 | Profile # | |
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| Yurie August 02 2012 07:40. Posts 2093 | Profile Blog # |
Don't know which camp he is talking about either. The only place I can think of to pull to the right is the radiant one just above the rune. Don't know if that works though.
The only other camp that can be pulled to the right and get creeps is the ancients on the dire side...Last edit: 2012-08-02 07:41:25 |
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| Pseudoku Canada. August 02 2012 08:25. Posts 428 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 06:44 akatama wrote:
Not sure if this counts as basic or not, but a little thing I learned over time is to match player colors with the heroes they are playing in the time till the creeps spawn, and after that see where they lane. This way you can easily see what hero is missing just by looking at the minimap. Obviously if I know the enemy <insert farm dependent hero here> from another lane is missing I couldn't care less about it since even if he ganks successfully he loses farm in the long run, but if an enemy stunner or strong nuker is missing I'd go back asap.
There is an option to show hero icons instead of coloured icons |
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| Nilrem United States. August 02 2012 12:26. Posts 1360 | Profile Blog # |
Helpful guide indeed, but I do have two recommendations. Although this is an advance guide, and since you are discussing the pulling of creep camps in depth. I would suggest adding information on the varying creep camps and locations. For example, mentioning or pointing to where the Small, Medium, and Large creep camps are for each side. Just as a reference of course. DotA 2 Creep Wiki Of course since this is advanced, it may not be needed, but adds to the topic.
The other suggestion is well, slight grammatical error. Since I want this to stay up to help others, usually nice to make sure it is grammatically correct. Subsection e. in reference to support, you use Safe and it should be Save. So you want to save your money and not safe it. |
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| Lavitage2 August 02 2012 15:55. Posts 46 | Profile # |
Some Heros have abilitys that do damage but dont trigger smoke. Simply stack a camp, use smoke and start casting. F.e. Dark Seer Iron Shell, Shadow Daemon Wave or Pudge Rot.
They removed this in a recent patchLast edit: 2012-08-02 15:55:55 |
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| BlitzerSC Italy. August 02 2012 16:51. Posts 2426 | Profile # |
On August 02 2012 15:55 Lavitage2 wrote:
Show nested quote +Some Heros have abilitys that do damage but dont trigger smoke. Simply stack a camp, use smoke and start casting. F.e. Dark Seer Iron Shell, Shadow Daemon Wave or Pudge Rot.
They removed this in a recent patch
No, you still can do it but creeps will spread when attacked by an invisible unit so it's less effective but still viable. |
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| vanTuni August 02 2012 17:24. Posts 301 | Profile # |
| pudge is no longer viable if you ask me. dark seer still is ofc. shadow deamon does not really need smoke anyways. |
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| ChriseC Germany. March 01 2013 23:43. Posts 380 | Profile # |
great guide
but ive got a question about pulling the small dire camp.
whenever there are harpyies i cant get it pulled. do i need to stack it before and hope not to get any harpyies or is there a special trick about it? |
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| SpiZe Canada. March 02 2013 01:12. Posts 2293 | Profile # |
On March 01 2013 23:43 ChriseC wrote:
great guide
but ive got a question about pulling the small dire camp.
whenever there are harpyies i cant get it pulled. do i need to stack it before and hope not to get any harpyies or is there a special trick about it?
Have your hero go up to the lane, same level as creeps or maybe even a bit lower, and then get attacked by the neutrals. It should pull the creep aggro towards the neutral even if they aren't in their aggro zone. It's a bit harder to do now since they fixed creep mechanic but it's still doable.Last edit: 2013-03-02 01:14:54 |
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| igotmyown United States. March 02 2013 03:08. Posts 2896 | Profile Blog # |
On March 02 2013 01:12 SpiZe wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:43 ChriseC wrote:
great guide
but ive got a question about pulling the small dire camp.
whenever there are harpyies i cant get it pulled. do i need to stack it before and hope not to get any harpyies or is there a special trick about it?
Have your hero go up to the lane, same level as creeps or maybe even a bit lower, and then get attacked by the neutrals. It should pull the creep aggro towards the neutral even if they aren't in their aggro zone. It's a bit harder to do now since they fixed creep mechanic but it's still doable.
Here's some pointer to make sure you get the timing right (you can only reliable pull on ranged, and the ranged shot has to hit you)
Pull at :05 or :35
Move right above the leftmost tree (and hug it) in the tree clump below the tier 2 tower. If there's a kobold warlord, move left when as your creep wave is coming, right into the gap. |
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| Mykill Canada. March 03 2013 01:50. Posts 3226 | Profile Blog # |
Good pulling guide.
I believe not pushing is called "freezing" the lane?
Antipush is as mentioned like ES fissure or lich eating maybe. |
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| r4z0rbl4d3 Germany. March 03 2013 02:10. Posts 46 | Profile # |
| thanks for the post. nice work! |
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| ChriseC Germany. March 04 2013 20:35. Posts 380 | Profile # |
On March 02 2013 01:12 SpiZe wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:43 ChriseC wrote:
great guide
but ive got a question about pulling the small dire camp.
whenever there are harpyies i cant get it pulled. do i need to stack it before and hope not to get any harpyies or is there a special trick about it?
Have your hero go up to the lane, same level as creeps or maybe even a bit lower, and then get attacked by the neutrals. It should pull the creep aggro towards the neutral even if they aren't in their aggro zone. It's a bit harder to do now since they fixed creep mechanic but it's still doable.
its just the harpys that i cant get pulled at small camp
gnolls and stuff is very easy to get pulled |
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