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| aupstar Australia. July 24 2012 21:34. Posts 899 | Profile # | |
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| StreetWise United States. July 24 2012 22:12. Posts 515 | Profile # |
| I always like the concept of ACE, and was really hoping they would have transitioned to SC2. Its sad to see mobile games taking over the 'classic' games like SC2. |
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| tsango Australia. July 24 2012 22:27. Posts 174 | Profile # |
| real shame, i liked ace. be interesting to see which other progamming teams their players filter in to. |
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| blahblahblahwhatever Armenia. July 24 2012 22:43. Posts 52 | Profile # |
| Hopefully Blizzard and their zealots are happy. |
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| imperator-xy Germany. July 24 2012 22:55. Posts 1249 | Profile Blog # |
oh my god
there have been so many reasons to start crying because of progaming in the last years |
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| floor exercise Canada. July 24 2012 23:22. Posts 5509 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2012 21:10 hifriend wrote:
Always been kind of a pointless team to be honest.
Except for the opportunity to allow players to continue playing through their military service instead of it being a death knell for a player's career.
A lot of great players with huge fanbases went through the Airforce team, many of them would have just disappeared and along with them their fans if it weren't for that team |
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| Locke- July 24 2012 23:42. Posts 267 | Profile # |
| I didn't follow the Brood War scene but this makes me sad. A true figure team in pro gaming. |
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| meegrean Thailand. July 25 2012 00:19. Posts 6007 | Profile # |
| I started following the Korean Starcraft progaming scene right around the time ACE was founded. I'm really sad to hear this, but I guess the times have changed. It was always nice to see ACE players winning random games every now and then. |
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| Burns United States. July 25 2012 00:54. Posts 1620 | Profile Blog # |
| this makes me sad, everything is truly killing esports |
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| brolaf July 25 2012 02:35. Posts 219 | Profile # |
On July 24 2012 16:01 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 15:45 Darksoldierr wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:59 Ribbon wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:11 sephirotharg wrote:
I hope that professional BW survives (in Korea, that is)
You wouldn't be interested in professional BW somewhere else? I know the Chinese scene is really small, and the western scene is pitable, but there's still a chance to grow them into something respectable within a few years, I think.
I dont think so, Sc2's release gave BW attention to those who never heard of it before, yet nothings really changed.
That's largely the BW's community's fault, though. Absolutely no effort was made to try to convert any of the "Oh hey SC2 is cool" people to BW fans, besides people on forums calling them names. Where was KeSPA's big outreach? The only major BW scene to ever even try to reach westerners was GOM back when Tasteless and I think SuperDanielMan were casting the GOMTV Classic in English. And KeSPA shut that one down pretty fast. Which, actually, was a pretty terrible decision in the long run. If GOM hadn't gotten into SC2, there'd be no SC2 now. I seriously do believe that if GOMTV was in the BW business and not the SC2 business, we'd be in a new Golden Age of Brood War right now. SC2 isn't big because of Blizzard, much as people like to blame them. It's big because GOM sold it to a foreign audience. Even right now, when the whole idea of the switch to SC2 is the international fans, there's still no official English stream for Proleague. That's insane. Even when their in SC2, KeSPA ignores the SC2 scene. They have completely and 100% fucked BW up. They're fucking up in SC2 now as well. Whatever they did for Brood War in the past, the last few years have been nothing but abject incompetence on their part.
Show nested quote +As time goes on, it will be just even harder to catch new players. Just think about, running BW on W7 already has problems and need to find fixes to make it work.
This admittedly is a pretty huge problem. I'd say port forwarding is a bigger deal than killing explorer in task manager. A lot of people (myself included) literally can't do that.
Show nested quote +Now W8 is coming, another generation growing up on console games and on MMOs. Personally i would love a rise viewer numbers and just overall, player numbers, but i dont think so it will ever happen
Certainly not if you keep referring to the only potential source of new BW fans in such a demeaning get off my lawnish way.
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| MrMercuG Netherlands. July 25 2012 02:41. Posts 1593 | Profile # |
On July 24 2012 23:22 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 21:10 hifriend wrote:
Always been kind of a pointless team to be honest.
Except for the opportunity to allow players to continue playing through their military service instead of it being a death knell for a player's career. A lot of great players with huge fanbases went through the Airforce team, many of them would have just disappeared and along with them their fans if it weren't for that team
TheSTC wasn't in the ACE team but returned stronger than before xD |
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| TemplarCo. Mexico. July 25 2012 02:43. Posts 2868 | Profile Blog # |
| T.T Really bad news for the overall StarCraft scene... |
| | With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞ |  |
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| ilikeredheads Canada. July 25 2012 02:49. Posts 520 | Profile # |
| I still don't buy the smartphone killing esports idea. My guess would be budget cuts and lack of consistently good results prompted the AIr Force to disband. It's embarrassing especially when you are the military being the bottom feeder all the time. |
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| Ribbon United States. July 25 2012 03:58. Posts 5020 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2012 20:01 .vid wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 17:18 Ribbon wrote:
On July 23 2012 17:10 Koshi wrote:
So this means that SCII players can't play when they are in the army? I am hoping they are making a new team for the new talent.
May 16th - oGs disbands July 13th - Zenex ceases to exist as an independent team, will merge with Startale July 23rd - Air Force Ace announces plan to disband The Korean scene is collapsing. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-3 more teams disband in the next few months,.
you forgot last year's mbc game, hwaseung oz and wemade collapses (edit: or was it in 2010? i forgot :S)
I considered adding them, but that was before the hybrid league was announced. MBCGame, Oz, and WeMade were the collapse of the BW scene (Wemade was technically an SC2 team as well, but had literally 3 players). Switching to SC2 was supposed to fix everything somehow, but oGs, Zenex, and Ace are primarily SC2 teams that are collapsing. The switch did nothing to save Proleague, and will quite possibly kill the GSL as well by flooding the market, and being a really hyped SC2 league full of generally bad SC2 games.
I'd say TSL (constantly on the verge of collapse, though they seem to be in better shape now), SlayerS (all kinds of shit going down in that team), and SKT1 (sponsor doesn't care about international audience) are the ones that should be on the watchlist. Woongjin and STX are also sponsors likely to pull out, but I honestly don't know why a chemical company and a shipbuilding company (!) were sponsoring BW in the first place. I doubt many BW fans are in the market for a ship. So maybe those two are just run by people who really like BW, meaning they should possibly be on the watchlist as well?
On July 25 2012 02:35 brolaf wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 16:01 Ribbon wrote:
On July 24 2012 15:45 Darksoldierr wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:59 Ribbon wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:11 sephirotharg wrote:
I hope that professional BW survives (in Korea, that is)
You wouldn't be interested in professional BW somewhere else? I know the Chinese scene is really small, and the western scene is pitable, but there's still a chance to grow them into something respectable within a few years, I think.
I dont think so, Sc2's release gave BW attention to those who never heard of it before, yet nothings really changed.
That's largely the BW's community's fault, though. Absolutely no effort was made to try to convert any of the "Oh hey SC2 is cool" people to BW fans, besides people on forums calling them names. Where was KeSPA's big outreach? The only major BW scene to ever even try to reach westerners was GOM back when Tasteless and I think SuperDanielMan were casting the GOMTV Classic in English. And KeSPA shut that one down pretty fast. Which, actually, was a pretty terrible decision in the long run. If GOM hadn't gotten into SC2, there'd be no SC2 now. I seriously do believe that if GOMTV was in the BW business and not the SC2 business, we'd be in a new Golden Age of Brood War right now. SC2 isn't big because of Blizzard, much as people like to blame them. It's big because GOM sold it to a foreign audience. Even right now, when the whole idea of the switch to SC2 is the international fans, there's still no official English stream for Proleague. That's insane. Even when their in SC2, KeSPA ignores the SC2 scene. They have completely and 100% fucked BW up. They're fucking up in SC2 now as well. Whatever they did for Brood War in the past, the last few years have been nothing but abject incompetence on their part.
As time goes on, it will be just even harder to catch new players. Just think about, running BW on W7 already has problems and need to find fixes to make it work.
This admittedly is a pretty huge problem. I'd say port forwarding is a bigger deal than killing explorer in task manager. A lot of people (myself included) literally can't do that.
Now W8 is coming, another generation growing up on console games and on MMOs. Personally i would love a rise viewer numbers and just overall, player numbers, but i dont think so it will ever happen
Certainly not if you keep referring to the only potential source of new BW fans in such a demeaning get off my lawnish way.
Cant agree with this. Youre trying to put the cart before the horse. What comes first is a popular game by the designers, and blizzard did good here, SC2 is popular. As a result, a lot of potential viewers could supply a pro scene with earnings, so a big proscene is possible. BW is very unpopular outside korea/china, so there are few viewers and a pro scene isnt possible.
http://imgur.com/OGgDL
Also, whatever you think of SC2 as a game now, absolutely no one in the west would have watched GSL Open Season 3 (dubbed by Artosis as "the worst SC2 tournament of all time" because Terrans did a 2-rax all in pulling marines literally every single TvZ) if GOM didn't have Tastosis. And that tournament could've killed SC2. Last edit: 2012-07-25 04:03:48 |
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| Ryo July 25 2012 04:04. Posts 8409 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2012 03:58 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 20:01 .vid wrote:
On July 23 2012 17:18 Ribbon wrote:
On July 23 2012 17:10 Koshi wrote:
So this means that SCII players can't play when they are in the army? I am hoping they are making a new team for the new talent.
May 16th - oGs disbands July 13th - Zenex ceases to exist as an independent team, will merge with Startale July 23rd - Air Force Ace announces plan to disband The Korean scene is collapsing. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-3 more teams disband in the next few months,.
you forgot last year's mbc game, hwaseung oz and wemade collapses (edit: or was it in 2010? i forgot :S)
I considered adding them, but that was before the hybrid league was announced. MBCGame, Oz, and WeMade were the collapse of the BW scene (Wemade was technically an SC2 team as well, but had literally 3 players). Switching to SC2 was supposed to fix everything somehow, but oGs, Zenex, and Ace are primarily SC2 teams that are collapsing. The switch did nothing to save Proleague, and will quite possibly kill the GSL as well by flooding the market, and being a really hyped SC2 league full of generally bad SC2 games. I'd say TSL (constantly on the verge of collapse, though they seem to be in better shape now), SlayerS (all kinds of shit going down in that team), and SKT1 (sponsor doesn't care about international audience) are the ones that should be on the watchlist. Woongjin and STX are also sponsors likely to pull out, but I honestly don't know why a chemical company and a shipbuilding company (!) were sponsoring BW in the first place. I doubt many BW fans are in the market for a ship. So maybe those two are just run by people who really like BW, meaning they should possibly be on the watchlist as well?
Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:35 brolaf wrote:
On July 24 2012 16:01 Ribbon wrote:
On July 24 2012 15:45 Darksoldierr wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:59 Ribbon wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:11 sephirotharg wrote:
I hope that professional BW survives (in Korea, that is)
You wouldn't be interested in professional BW somewhere else? I know the Chinese scene is really small, and the western scene is pitable, but there's still a chance to grow them into something respectable within a few years, I think.
I dont think so, Sc2's release gave BW attention to those who never heard of it before, yet nothings really changed.
That's largely the BW's community's fault, though. Absolutely no effort was made to try to convert any of the "Oh hey SC2 is cool" people to BW fans, besides people on forums calling them names. Where was KeSPA's big outreach? The only major BW scene to ever even try to reach westerners was GOM back when Tasteless and I think SuperDanielMan were casting the GOMTV Classic in English. And KeSPA shut that one down pretty fast. Which, actually, was a pretty terrible decision in the long run. If GOM hadn't gotten into SC2, there'd be no SC2 now. I seriously do believe that if GOMTV was in the BW business and not the SC2 business, we'd be in a new Golden Age of Brood War right now. SC2 isn't big because of Blizzard, much as people like to blame them. It's big because GOM sold it to a foreign audience. Even right now, when the whole idea of the switch to SC2 is the international fans, there's still no official English stream for Proleague. That's insane. Even when their in SC2, KeSPA ignores the SC2 scene. They have completely and 100% fucked BW up. They're fucking up in SC2 now as well. Whatever they did for Brood War in the past, the last few years have been nothing but abject incompetence on their part.
As time goes on, it will be just even harder to catch new players. Just think about, running BW on W7 already has problems and need to find fixes to make it work.
This admittedly is a pretty huge problem. I'd say port forwarding is a bigger deal than killing explorer in task manager. A lot of people (myself included) literally can't do that.
Now W8 is coming, another generation growing up on console games and on MMOs. Personally i would love a rise viewer numbers and just overall, player numbers, but i dont think so it will ever happen
Certainly not if you keep referring to the only potential source of new BW fans in such a demeaning get off my lawnish way.
Cant agree with this. Youre trying to put the cart before the horse. What comes first is a popular game by the designers, and blizzard did good here, SC2 is popular. As a result, a lot of potential viewers could supply a pro scene with earnings, so a big proscene is possible. BW is very unpopular outside korea/china, so there are few viewers and a pro scene isnt possible.
SKT T1 is not going anywhere. SKT runs Kespa. The ones on the bubble: Team 8, Woongjin and STX, esp STX. |
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| N.geNuity United States. July 25 2012 04:05. Posts 3209 | Profile # | |
| | iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVER |  |
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| Ryo July 25 2012 04:08. Posts 8409 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2012 04:05 N.geNuity wrote:woongjin wasn't a chemical company? last time I checked their website it said it started as educational/publication company, and now says its transitioning to a holdings company. actually here is there financial stuff: http://www.woongjin.com/English/investment/mn_result.aspx
Yeah, Woongjin Chemical is just one of their subsidiaries. |
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| IntoTheEmo Singapore. July 25 2012 04:49. Posts 902 | Profile # |
Does not bode well for either Starcraft scene. Passion is dead.
I would like to think the formation of ACE legitimized BW as the esport that could transcend even something as strict as military service.
Smartphone Proleague 2014? |
| | MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! |  |
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| Spinoza July 25 2012 05:19. Posts 181 | Profile # |
We need a respectable RTS product, equal or similar to BW .. anyone know of such a product currently available? No .. Oh Blizzard .. where art thou .. are you listening?
/Rant off .. will behave in the future .. promise |
| | FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Hero | Map:Destination[BW] and [(Φ ∧ ψ) U ρ ≡ (Φ U ρ) ∧ (ψ U ρ)] |
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| Kal_rA United States. July 25 2012 05:40. Posts 2444 | Profile Blog # |
On July 25 2012 04:49 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Does not bode well for either Starcraft scene. Passion is dead.
I would like to think the formation of ACE legitimized BW as the esport that could transcend even something as strict as military service.
Smartphone Proleague 2014?
Stork would D O M I N A T E
(hed prob be in the Airfoce by that time anyways so they could remake the team!!)
+ Show Spoiler +But seriously.. Sad news, but expected news. |
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