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 kollin United Kingdom. July 24 2012 08:00. Posts 4124 | Profile Blog # |
EDIT: People on EU! Join the channel "mech" where you can have more discussion in game!
Hello everybody,
Many of us want to go mech. Whether it be because you don't have the APM or marine micro to go bio, or that your positional sense is particularly excellent. But, until very recently, people have only really gone mech in TvT. And even that died out at the start of 2012, replaced by ol' reliable marine tank. In TvZ, it was pretty rare to see, until the August of this year when MVP (of course it would be him), introduced the fast double armory variation of mech. Most Korean's have stopped doing this now, because how to beat it has been figured out, but I do see a lot of KeSPA pros going for 1 armory mech, which will be something to research in the future! In TvP, mech on a high level is still very rarely seen. The only person to do it successfully recently was Liquid's very own Sea. Hopefully we can see more of it, now he's participating in Proleague. Anyway, the point of this slightly rambling introduction was, if you wish to mech, this is the number 1 place to find discussion, build orders, replays and VODs.
First of all however, I need your help. The OP before I updated it (11th December 2012), was not that great. It wasn't nice to look at, and certainly wasn't a resource thread content wise. The only thing people were getting out of this thread was some good advice, from people like Nightmarjoo, and interesting discussions from everyone and anyone. I think we can all agree, this needs to change. It needs to be our mission statement to keep this up to date, and reliable with sources. Are you friend with a pretty decent GM player who you know mechs? Ask him for a replay pack, or maybe even a guide! Did you watch some amazing GSL game where you saw some very interesting openings into mech? Link it here! However, if you do link a singular replay or VOD, then please, please make sure that it is a VOD which has something unique in it. For example, if you find a completely new build, or maybe you find a VOD of something standard, but the Terran's opponent has done something that forces you to react differently and change the build. Here is a suggestion on how you set out a submission:
Players: Liquid'Sea vs Naniwa
Link: [insert link here]
[Date game was played]
[Event game was played at]
[Short description of the game, from both players]
+ Show Spoiler [Guides] +
+ Show Spoiler [Streams] +The names are linked to the stream page of the person on TL.net. In case they don't have a thread on Teamliquid, I'll link the streams location. The Occasional Mech Players list shows streams of players who will go mech often, but also play other styles. Grandmaster: AviloFXOTheBestFXOasdRuineDMaster:LemonyTangLyynaYoshi KirishimaNightmarjoo
+ Show Spoiler [VODs] +TvZ:GSL Code A - Baby vs Symbol - Game 1+ Show Spoiler [Summary] +Baby opens Command Centre first into hellion banshee. He defends Symbol's 3 base Roach and Nydus pressure, taking a 4th of his own while killing drones with hellion drops. Symbol gets to hive tech and begins producing brood lords, while Baby constantly denies Symbol's bases with tank drops and fantastic multitasking. Baby takes out Symbol's hive while Symbol kills Baby's 4th base. Eventually Baby manages to re-establish it, and his economic lead forces Symbol out. NASL 4 - MMA vs Demuslim - Game 3 + Show Spoiler [Summary] +Demuslim opens CC First, and then goes for a quick 3 bases, while MMA gets faster 3 bases off a reactor hellion opening. The game transitions normally from there, with Demuslim going bio tank and MMA going into mech. MMA does end up losing because he doesn't scout Demuslim's air switch, but this is still a good example of how to play a mech vs bio TvT. Sea opens with hellion banshee and defends Naniwa's blink stalker all in with good control and good decision making. Sea opens with a fast expansion into hellion banshee. He then plays out a standard hellion tank mech game, using a large amount of tanks as well as control of the centre of the map to crush Naniwa's army repeatedly. Both players open with fast expands, Sea going down his usual route with hellion banshee, a pretty quick 3rd base and double armory. Genius opens with fast collosus, also getting a quick 10 minute 3rd. Sea amasses a huge amount of tanks while doing some excellent hellion harass. Both players repeatedly deny each others 4th bases, before backing off again. Sea is again given a chance to get an enormous amount of tanks, around 30, and just smashes through Genius's army multiple times, ending the 30 minute long game.
+ Show Spoiler [Replays] +
+ Show Spoiler [Other Information] +
Thanks,
Kollin
Last edit: 2012-12-17 08:42:40 |
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| chambertin United States. July 24 2012 09:11. Posts 1032 | Profile # |
This looks interesting.... also, resources BTW  |
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| alpenrahm Germany. July 24 2012 09:28. Posts 186 | Profile # |
i think you could add dragon to your stream list. the guy has some sick mech TvZ where he ultimatly transitions to thor raven Bc. Afaik he is some korean grandmaster?
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| Yoshi Kirishima United States. July 24 2012 11:05. Posts 9002 | Profile Blog # |
Nice thread :D
Here's all the games I know of so far (that are still relevant)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fpihWQ6H4ZY
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors6/vod/66247
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls1/vod/66902/?set=2&lang=
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls1/vod/66855/?set=4&lang=
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-14693-0-ogsmc_p_-vs-marineking_t.html
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-9770-0-python_p_-vs-_t.html
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-10314-0-t_-vs-___p.html
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-11789-0-t_-vs-__p.html
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/terran/view.php?article_id=3445939&search=3&search_pos=&q=
Please add these to TvP. You may consider these to be outdated, but they are still useful and relevant. Obviously, the metagames are different, but you can still learn a lot about the strategies and builds. I only consider mech games like Thorzain vs MC in TSL4 on Crossfire or Jinro's mech games vs MC in GSL Open Season 3 to be outdated, because the patches have affected those strategies/builds and thus, studying those replays won't be very helpful since it is not a good representation of what it would look like today (For example, thor strike canon changes in these examples).
The last one is KR masters replays.
There's also another link of gorapadong's KR replays (high master / GM) with a guide in korean (his build is used in many of the above vods) i'll get that later.
Jinro occasionally does mech TvP and probably TvZ and TvT on stream (or least, has done so before). Same with other pros like MKP, Polt, ForGG, Rainbow, AphroditeLast edit: 2012-07-24 11:52:18 |
| | Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again." | |
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| Jockmcplop United Kingdom. July 24 2012 12:01. Posts 1061 | Profile # |
A good repaly of Keen doing a TvT gas first mech build, using lots and lots of hellions and tanks
http://replayfu.com/download/wmGKzh
Yoshi, i very much doubt you'll see Polt go mech very often, that guy just loves bio too much, but i think i remember MMA doing some good mech builds Last edit: 2012-07-24 12:04:03 |
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| Yoshi Kirishima United States. July 24 2012 12:41. Posts 9002 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2012 12:01 Jockmcplop wrote:A good repaly of Keen doing a TvT gas first mech build, using lots and lots of hellions and tanks http://replayfu.com/download/wmGKzhYoshi, i very much doubt you'll see Polt go mech very often, that guy just loves bio too much, but i think i remember MMA doing some good mech builds
Heheh you're right, he's more a bio guy But i did hear he did some thor centric mech build in TvP in some tournament (MLG?) and heard he did try some mech for a while in TvP on stream. (Obviously, probably not nearly as much as the others though :D)
I've seen MMA go TvP mech on TDA once against a foreigner, i think MLG or something, he did (IIRC) 2 fact 2 starport (that all-in that many terrans were doing at the time)Last edit: 2012-07-24 12:43:04 |
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| Porishan Vietnam. July 24 2012 15:01. Posts 1077 | Profile # |
Does MvP often go mech TvZ TvT ?
anyway thanks for the thread i'm currently practicing mech a lot ( MMM Bio is far for me ) |
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| saaaa Germany. July 24 2012 15:52. Posts 372 | Profile # |
i create lists like this since i play starcraft2. In this way i always can find every match fast and know what build/strategy the terran played.
You can search with these filters for mech openings, bio openings etc and know directly in what matches the build has been played.
http://www.file-upload.net/download-4591041/Spiel--bersicht.xls.html
Maybe we can do online list for everyone, where can everyone add matches to make them public. If you do have any feedback for my list please don't hesitate to do it 
PS: "spielübersicht" (name of the file) is german and means matchoverview
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 Toastie.NL Netherlands. July 24 2012 16:37. Posts 232 | Profile # |
Woooooow thanks for al the interest guys! Never expected this much!
I'm going to start editting now ! |
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| Toastie.NL Netherlands. July 24 2012 16:40. Posts 232 | Profile # |
About the streams,
A lot of Terrans play mech every 20 games on their stream. We are looking for streams at which you can watch for an hour and be pretty much guaranteed to see mech. |
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| kollin United Kingdom. July 24 2012 16:41. Posts 4124 | Profile Blog # |
Here's a TvT where Keen goes mech against Polts biomech.
youtube.com/watch?v=9WBpIEk_ybo |
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| SC2John United States. July 24 2012 16:46. Posts 918 | Profile # |
Some VoDs worth looking into:
DeMuslim against NesTea in the MLG Winter Arena.
MKP against Golden in the MLG Winter Championships (I believe) |
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| Ammoth Sweden. July 24 2012 17:34. Posts 381 | Profile # |
| Mvp goes mech pretty much every game vsT and vsZ, atleast in competetive play, not sure about his stream |
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| Yoshi Kirishima United States. July 24 2012 17:49. Posts 9002 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2012 17:34 Ammoth wrote:
Mvp goes mech pretty much every game vsT and vsZ, atleast in competetive play, not sure about his stream
He's been doing mostly marine tank recently, I haven't seen him mech much since the days of dual site
unless i happened to miss a bunch of games where he plays mech :DLast edit: 2012-07-24 17:49:41 |
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| Ammoth Sweden. July 24 2012 17:54. Posts 381 | Profile # |
On July 24 2012 17:49 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 17:34 Ammoth wrote:
Mvp goes mech pretty much every game vsT and vsZ, atleast in competetive play, not sure about his stream
He's been doing mostly marine tank recently, I haven't seen him mech much since the days of dual site unless i happened to miss a bunch of games where he plays mech :D
He played mech in Code A today! :D I think he played some mech games at HSCV as well |
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| Toastie.NL Netherlands. July 24 2012 18:17. Posts 232 | Profile # |
| That's why this thread is here :-) I'll look at MVPs games in Code A. I won't go through the entire HSCV but undoubtedly somebody who knows where to find them pops up! |
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| kollin United Kingdom. July 24 2012 18:32. Posts 4124 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Yoshi Kirishima United States. July 24 2012 18:47. Posts 9002 | Profile Blog # |
On July 24 2012 17:54 Ammoth wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 17:49 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On July 24 2012 17:34 Ammoth wrote:
Mvp goes mech pretty much every game vsT and vsZ, atleast in competetive play, not sure about his stream
He's been doing mostly marine tank recently, I haven't seen him mech much since the days of dual site unless i happened to miss a bunch of games where he plays mech :D
He played mech in Code A today! :D I think he played some mech games at HSCV as well
Awesome, I keep hearing mech in TvZ is unviable, glad to see MVP is not giving up on it. AKA it's viable :D
thx for telling meLast edit: 2012-07-24 18:47:29 |
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| GumBa Germany. July 24 2012 18:50. Posts 1556 | Profile # |
Great thread!
Nice to have a thread where I can go to for all my Mech Fun :D |
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| Toastie.NL Netherlands. July 24 2012 18:54. Posts 232 | Profile # |
MVP played a TvT
On July 24 2012 18:50 GumBa wrote:
Great thread!
Nice to have a thread where I can go to for all my Mech Fun :D
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