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| Keitzer United States. July 26 2012 21:37. Posts 2505 | Profile Blog # |
We ended up getting a MacBook Pro ($1199, 13" version).
Some (to me) legitimate points about Macs are given. Summary of pros for mac:
* (apparently) better screen-to-print reliability
* highest customer satisfaction out of any hardware company
* amazing customer service (between sending stuff in and the genius bar)
* higher-quality parts means longer lasting computers (don't need to replace many, if any, parts)
* easier to install just about anything
* simpler UI (although she's used mac and pc before, so that's not much of a selling point)
* better hardware-software relationship, enabling faster use, longer
* "nice/good feeling" keyboard, trackpad, and general usage (since she's a buyer that has to like what she uses, this was key)
And plus, we got it from Best Buy, which their damage support (warranty? I don't remember what they called it) of 2 years includes unlimited chargers, unlimited batteries (and replacement, since it's embedded into the laptop), and "accidental" damage... which means you can basically drop it down the stairs, close the lid with something like a pencil on the keyboard, step on it, spill something on it, or anything similar that's normally not covered, and still get a new one. So that's pretty cool.
+ Show Spoiler [ ORIGINAL THREAD ] +My sister is looking at laptops for college. She (apparently) wants to go into something photography related, and asked me (the biggest tech guy in the family) whether a PC or a Mac would be better. I told her they're the exact same, except the mac is about $1000 more expensive. Yet she kept questioning if the Mac is better for art/design. Basically I'm asking (because my google-fu isn't good enough):
Which is a better choice laptop for college and why - Mac or PC?and Why is a MAC considered better for Art/Design?(i still don't understand this, especially since you can get all the programs like photoshop and more on PC) We're going to the Apple store and Best Buy later today to check some out in person cuz she's the type of buyer that has to like the way it looks and not give a shit about specs. But I know at the very least it has to have a decent amount of RAM and other parts that keep the computer updated for at least a few years.
Yes, if a PC laptop, assume it would have exact same specs as the 13" MacBook Pro. (and because people like polls): WHICH DO YOU PREFER (OR RECOMMEND?) Poll: Mac or PC (Laptop, college)PC (102) 74% Mac (36) 26% 138 total votes Your vote: Mac or PC (Laptop, college) (Vote): Mac
(Vote): PC
Disclaimer: I'm super tech-savvy, built my own gaming rig, etc etc, so anything tech-specific (especially in arguments for- or against- mac/pc) I'm ok with
What (to me) seems like a great Pro-Apple argument:
On July 26 2012 23:16 zuqbu wrote:i suspect the arguments in this thread will be a repeat of this one: your views on new macbook pronevertheless, let me answer adress your questions (i can only answer for myself, being a graphic designer): Font Management & Anti-Aliasing although greatly improved over the years on Windows, Macs still got an egde. Installing, managing, deactivating and activating fonts is easier. Great Previews, support for many formats, full system-wide implementation of Glyphs, Ligatures and other Opentype features. Suitcase and FontXplorer are superior to system management and available on both platforms, but costly extras. Put on equal footing with these tools, i found OS X font anti-aliasing not only more pleasant, but also more accurate to print results. Color Management and Print output ask anyone who has tried CMYK proofing on both worlds, it's much easier to manage profiles on a mac, and less complicated to get accurate results. Better Built-in Applications Mail is a very good eMail client, Preview is far superior for PDF viewing than Acrobat (and Windows is missing a built-in option to display PDFs, at least until Win8), Calendar is doing what's it supposed to do, Safari is a very good browser. all in all, OS X delivers a lot of great tools out of the box. Less cumbersome user experience since the OS and the hardware are both being developed/selected by apple, there's a better integration of hardware and software, which means less crashes, and less things to worry about. some people like it the other way around though (and/or fear the so called apple ecosystem), and sure you can build a stable windows pc but chances are higher that you need more knowledge and time to get to the same results. Tighter HI Guidelines, better implementation of basic interaction design principles most shortcuts are system wide, menu elements are always at the same spot (preferences being a prime example). the menu bar is an example of fitt's law in action. drag and drop everywhere. you master one program, chances are extremely high that you can apply anything you've learned to another one. High Built-Quality, high emphasis on "not-spec" components apple laptops in particular are famous for this. it's not only that the general chassis is durable and well-designed, every part of the computer is. go to any macbook review and they will tell you that the keyboards are among the best, the trackpads are unparalleled, the battery life is fantastic and the screens are far above average (or the best). this contributes to: Long product lifetime, high resale value both my previous apple laptops were in daily use for 4 years, and that's not uncommon. if you calculate resale value into the base price, macs aren't expensive at all.
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 Womwomwom July 26 2012 21:54. Posts 5517 | Profile Blog # |
Most typical PC laptops won't really have the same specs as a Macbook. The screen, build, trackpad, and keyboard quality between a Macbook and a typical PC laptop won't be remotely similar. I can count around 5 that have better screens than the Macbooks and those laptops aren't exactly cheap either...of course they also have their own problems such as shallow keyboards and rubbish trackpads.
Macs aren't really better than PCs for art/design/whatever in the sense you are thinking. They may appreciate the way Mac OS operates/is designed/looks, however, which I suspect is a reason why many do gravitate towards the OS. Mountain Lion is completely baller and is without doubt the best laptop OS out right now.
That being said, Thinkpads I believe are dirt cheap right now. I am not American so I have no idea how this works but apparently Lenovo and Barnes and Noble have a sale on for students right now. Is it still valid right now? I have no idea.
Only get the Thinkpads and within the Thinkpads, only get the T or X series laptops. So the main options you should be looking at are the T430/T430s, X230, T530. With those laptops, always get the highest end screen upgrade because the stock screens are pathetic. The Premium HD screen upgrade for the X230 gives you around 1000:1 contrast and wide viewing angles; the 1080P upgrade for the T530 gives you more much more resolution, better contrast (~600:1), as well as complete coverage of the sRGB colour space so everything doesn't look like shit; the HD+ upgrade for the T430 gives you more resolution but is about as good as your typical PC laptop screen unfortunately.
Since she wants to do photography, the T530 is a pretty good choice. The T530 is fairly large and ugly, which can be a problem, but its one of the few laptops that has very cheap and nice warranty upgrades (this is good for college, fuck anyone who says otherwise), a very good screen with proper colour space coverage, pitch perfect build quality and keyboard, and easy upgrade routes (upgrades don't void warranty either). I think the T530, through B&N Gold, is around $800 with the display upgrade so getting any other PC laptop right now is moronic.Last edit: 2012-07-26 22:06:13 |
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| jacosajh July 26 2012 21:59. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
| Perhaps the reason why "tech-savvy" people don't understand the value of Apple products is because they're simply comparing specs. There's a reason why a "true" John Deere riding mower starts at $3000+ and Wal-Mart brands start at $800 for the same specs. Even amongst John Deere's line-up, you will have some riding mowers that cost less but have "better specs." Quality, ergonomics, resale value, and other non-necessarily tangible factors can't always be found on a spec sheet. |
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| jacosajh July 26 2012 22:01. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
| Damn, thanks for the link Wom. I've been looking at the X230. This discount is even better than my AICPA membership discount. Last edit: 2012-07-26 22:02:46 |
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| Keitzer United States. July 26 2012 22:11. Posts 2505 | Profile Blog # |
But is the outer shell case really worth the extra $1000?
Because that's what I'm not seeing... I guess if you have the money it sort of doesn't matter, all on preference, but the problem is she doesn't know what she wants and I'm trying to debunk the myths to give an accurate description of the "better" of the two. |
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| Womwomwom July 26 2012 22:19. Posts 5517 | Profile Blog # |
OK I just checked out the link. It seems to be still valid till August 1st.
T530 with full HD upgrade and a NVS 5400M comes to $1,100 which is actually a lot more than I expected but still extremely cheap for what you are getting. The X230 with the Premium HD upgrade comes to $720.
On July 26 2012 22:11 Keitzer wrote:
But is the outer shell case really worth the extra $1000?
Because that's what I'm not seeing... I guess if you have the money it sort of doesn't matter, all on preference, but the problem is she doesn't know what she wants and I'm trying to debunk the myths to give an accurate description of the "better" of the two.
Well what laptops are you comparing it to? Because for standard Macbooks I'm not seeing how you're getting $1,000. The only way you can probably do that is if you compare Macbooks with HP DV series laptops. And family members should not get family members low end HP laptops because they are terrible. Who cares about specs if everything about it is...not good. Last edit: 2012-07-26 22:23:03 |
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| Alryk United States. July 26 2012 22:23. Posts 2231 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 21:54 Womwomwom wrote:Most typical PC laptops won't really have the same specs as a Macbook. The screen, build, trackpad, and keyboard quality between a Macbook and a typical PC laptop won't be remotely similar. I can count around 5 that have better screens than the Macbooks and those laptops aren't exactly cheap either...of course they also have their own problems such as shallow keyboards and rubbish trackpads. Macs aren't really better than PCs for art/design/whatever in the sense you are thinking. They may appreciate the way Mac OS operates/is designed/looks, however, which I suspect is a reason why many do gravitate towards the OS. Mountain Lion is completely baller and is without doubt the best laptop OS out right now. That being said, Thinkpads I believe are dirt cheap right now. I am not American so I have no idea how this works but apparently Lenovo and Barnes and Noble have a sale on for students right now. Is it still valid right now? I have no idea. Only get the Thinkpads and within the Thinkpads, only get the T or X series laptops. So the main options you should be looking at are the T430/T430s, X230, T530. With those laptops, always get the highest end screen upgrade because the stock screens are pathetic. The Premium HD screen upgrade for the X230 gives you around 1000:1 contrast and wide viewing angles; the 1080P upgrade for the T530 gives you more much more resolution, better contrast (~600:1), as well as complete coverage of the sRGB colour space so everything doesn't look like shit; the HD+ upgrade for the T430 gives you more resolution but is about as good as your typical PC laptop screen unfortunately. Since she wants to do photography, the T530 is a pretty good choice. The T530 is fairly large and ugly, which can be a problem, but its one of the few laptops that has very cheap and nice warranty upgrades (this is good for college, fuck anyone who says otherwise), a very good screen with proper colour space coverage, pitch perfect build quality and keyboard, and easy upgrade routes (upgrades don't void warranty either). I think the T530, through B&N Gold, is around $800 with the display upgrade so getting any other PC laptop right now is moronic.
Wellfor what its worth, the T530 premium screen gives you almost full adobe RGB coverage. Everything else is true. Personally I would do that - I've spent time on Mac OS and just like it less than Linux and the like. I don't have a reason why, I just do. Some people will make valid points for Mac every now and them though. But I think the 13" mbp is the worst value of all of apples stuff relative to apples other products, right?
Everything else he said I agree with though. |
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| Keitzer United States. July 26 2012 22:25. Posts 2505 | Profile Blog # |
Well I was thinking the difference between a ~$600 HP or whatever-the-fuck you'd get at Best Buy or similar, versus the $1500 (pre-tax/case/other stuff) mac
edit: we weren't planning on getting an HP or similar, but that's the range of something you'd buy there.. unless you're getting a higher-end laptop from Intel or somethingLast edit: 2012-07-26 22:26:54 |
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| Womwomwom July 26 2012 22:26. Posts 5517 | Profile Blog # |
The 13" Macbook Pro is pretty ball busting yeah. Its still a really good laptop but what happened to the resolution? Its like Apple wants to kill off the small Macbook Pro because it basically serves no purpose when the Macbook Air is so good...wait that's probably the reason.
On July 26 2012 22:25 Keitzer wrote:
Well I was thinking the difference between a ~$600 HP or whatever-the-fuck you'd get at Best Buy or similar, versus the $1500 (pre-tax/case/other stuff) mac
Yes as I said this is the only way you can get such a high price difference. Low end HP laptops are trash. Higher end consumer systems like the Envy are OK but they're not exactly the cheapest laptops on the market and as good as your typical Chinese knock off in that they're worse in just about every single way. Elitebooks are comparable and probably tougher (well I've never dropped a Elitebook) but the decked out models are really, really expensive and smaller models all have their share of problems.Last edit: 2012-07-26 22:36:47 |
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| jacosajh July 26 2012 22:30. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 22:11 Keitzer wrote:
But is the outer shell case really worth the extra $1000?
Because that's what I'm not seeing... I guess if you have the money it sort of doesn't matter, all on preference, but the problem is she doesn't know what she wants and I'm trying to debunk the myths to give an accurate description of the "better" of the two.
$1000 extra? Where are you finding $200 PCs?
Even comparing pure specs alone the lowest price you're going to pay comparable to a 13" MBP is a ~$600 Acer. With crap keyboard, crap screen, crap battery life, crap everything. And it won't be worth jack shit a month after you buy it.
But yeah, ofc, if I had a choice, I would just rather get the MBA than the MBP 13"Last edit: 2012-07-26 22:32:27 |
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| Pimpmuckl Germany. July 26 2012 22:33. Posts 442 | Profile # |
| I would really really REALLY not get a mac if you don't have much money to spare. Yea, they are cool, yea their OS is kinda interesting but if you don't like it better than Windows you just blew the money in the wind and will use Windows on a Macbook which is kind of a waste (yet still doable). Last edit: 2012-07-26 22:33:41 |
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| Womwomwom July 26 2012 22:54. Posts 5517 | Profile Blog # |
I think he's talking about 15" Macbook Pros, which are actually quite pricey and completely not worth it if you're putting your own SDD and RAM into it. But the screens on them are pretty solid. They've got around ~600:1 contrast ratio (so whites and black are solid), and around 70% Adobe RGB coverage, which is decent but not great. If you get the high resolution screen upgrade, you've got as much vertical real estate as a typical 1920x1080 screen because Apple is pretty much the only company that is still using 16:10.
My recommendation is still the T530 unless her school specifically asks for a Mac. The screen should be important for everyone but it should be extremely important for her especially since she wants to do photography, whatever that means. Keyboard and robustness is also important for college life, since you spend of your academic life typing essays and carrying the thing around.
On July 26 2012 22:58 Keitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 22:54 Womwomwom wrote:
I'd still stick with the T530 to be quite honest. The screen should be important for everyone but it should be extremely important for her especially since she wants to do photography, whatever that means.
Well she's technically undecided... and since she's not interested in anything business, engineering, or medical, she's leaning towards art, specifically things that have to do with photography (idfk really...)
Right, that makes it a bit difficult to make a decision. Other people will have very valid suggestions but this is a summary of my points:
T530, T430, and X230 are very good systems. These systems are especially hot this month because of the amazing deals going on right now. T530 has a great screen for photography; the X230 is very portable, light, and has a sweet IPS display upgrade. The deals end on August 1st.
Macbooks are popular systems for a reason. For consumers, they're relatively flawless. But there are a few things to consider:
- The 13" Macbook Pro is kind of useless and you should just get a Macbook Air if you want a Macbook. The pricing is probably intentional.
- The 15" Macbook Pro is in a rough spot, similar to the 13" Macbook Pro. The price is rather high and I suspect its to push people towards the new retina Macbook Pro.
- Apple offers education discounts so use them if possible.
- Apple's refurbished stock is pretty much as good as new so try and buy from there. Last edit: 2012-07-26 23:16:23 |
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| Keitzer United States. July 26 2012 22:58. Posts 2505 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 22:54 Womwomwom wrote:
I'd still stick with the T530 to be quite honest. The screen should be important for everyone but it should be extremely important for her especially since she wants to do photography, whatever that means.
Well she's technically undecided... and since she's not interested in anything business, engineering, or medical, she's leaning towards art, specifically things that have to do with photography (idfk really...)
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| Ryhzuo United Kingdom. July 26 2012 23:06. Posts 157 | Profile Blog # |
The way I see it (I own both), there's a few reasons why you would want to pick a Mac over a PC:
1. You are completely tech illiterate. In this case a Mac is arguably easier to learn to use compared to a PC. Mac backups are much easier to understand than PC backups for one.
2. You have expendable income.
3. You specifically like the Mac OS. Personally I find the Mac OS to be much more productive-friendly compared to Windows.
4. You have, or are planning to get other iOS devices.
5. iCloud.
One final note too, that no one EVER mentions because all discussion is always on pure specs. Apple is completely unrivaled in customer service, warranty and general helpfulness with all their devices. When my iPhone's home button stopped working a month in, I sent it in and they got me a brand new phone within 3 days. If you buy Apple, you will never have to worry about your machine breaking down and not knowing what to do.
Edit: Also think about what kind of software you're going to need. Sometimes there can be a huge difference between similar Mac apps and PC software.Last edit: 2012-07-26 23:09:47 |
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| Keitzer United States. July 26 2012 23:11. Posts 2505 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 23:06 Ryhzuo wrote:
The way I see it (I own both), there's a few reasons why you would want to pick a Mac over a PC:
1. You are completely tech illiterate. In this case a Mac is arguably easier to learn to use compared to a PC. Mac backups are much easier to understand than PC backups for one.
2. You have expendable income.
3. You specifically like the Mac OS. Personally I find the Mac OS to be much more productive-friendly compared to Windows.
4. You have, or are planning to get other iOS devices.
5. iCloud.
One final note too, that no one EVER mentions because all discussion is always on pure specs. Apple is completely unrivaled in customer service, warranty and general helpfulness with all their devices. When my iPhone's home button stopped working a month in, I sent it in and they got me a brand new phone within 3 days. If you buy Apple, you will never have to worry about your machine breaking down and not knowing what to do.
Edit: Also think about what kind of software you're going to need. Sometimes there can be a huge difference between similar Mac apps and PC software.
So to compare... should my android (4 of my 5 family members including me have iPhones) home's button stop working... and sent it in, would I get a new phone within 3 days as well?
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| zuqbu Germany. July 26 2012 23:16. Posts 718 | Profile # |
i suspect the arguments in this thread will be a repeat of this one: your views on new macbook pro
nevertheless, let me answer adress your questions (i can only answer for myself, being a graphic designer):
Why is a MAC considered better for Art/Design?
Font Management & Anti-Aliasing
although greatly improved over the years on Windows, Macs still got an egde. Installing, managing, deactivating and activating fonts is easier. Great Previews, support for many formats, full system-wide implementation of Glyphs, Ligatures and other Opentype features. Suitcase and FontXplorer are superior to system management and available on both platforms, but costly extras. Put on equal footing with these tools, i found OS X font anti-aliasing not only more pleasant, but also more accurate to print results.
Color Management and Print output
ask anyone who has tried CMYK proofing on both worlds, it's much easier to manage profiles on a mac, and less complicated to get accurate results.
Better Built-in Applications
Mail is a very good eMail client, Preview is far superior for PDF viewing than Acrobat (and Windows is missing a built-in option to display PDFs, at least until Win8), Calendar is doing what's it supposed to do, Safari is a very good browser. all in all, OS X delivers a lot of great tools out of the box.
Less cumbersome user experience
since the OS and the hardware are both being developed/selected by apple, there's a better integration of hardware and software, which means less crashes, and less things to worry about. some people like it the other way around though (and/or fear the so called apple ecosystem), and sure you can build a stable windows pc but chances are higher that you need more knowledge and time to get to the same results.
Tighter HI Guidelines, better implementation of basic interaction design principles
most shortcuts are system wide, menu elements are always at the same spot (preferences being a prime example). the menu bar is an example of fitt's law in action. drag and drop everywhere. you master one program, chances are extremely high that you can apply anything you've learned to another one.
High Built-Quality, high emphasis on "not-spec" components
apple laptops in particular are famous for this. it's not only that the general chassis is durable and well-designed, every part of the computer is. go to any macbook review and they will tell you that the keyboards are among the best, the trackpads are unparalleled, the battery life is fantastic and the screens are far above average (or the best). this contributes to:
Long product lifetime, high resale value
both my previous apple laptops were in daily use for 4 years, and that's not uncommon. if you calculate resale value into the base price, macs aren't expensive at all. |
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| Ryhzuo United Kingdom. July 26 2012 23:18. Posts 157 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 23:11 Keitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 23:06 Ryhzuo wrote:
The way I see it (I own both), there's a few reasons why you would want to pick a Mac over a PC:
1. You are completely tech illiterate. In this case a Mac is arguably easier to learn to use compared to a PC. Mac backups are much easier to understand than PC backups for one.
2. You have expendable income.
3. You specifically like the Mac OS. Personally I find the Mac OS to be much more productive-friendly compared to Windows.
4. You have, or are planning to get other iOS devices.
5. iCloud.
One final note too, that no one EVER mentions because all discussion is always on pure specs. Apple is completely unrivaled in customer service, warranty and general helpfulness with all their devices. When my iPhone's home button stopped working a month in, I sent it in and they got me a brand new phone within 3 days. If you buy Apple, you will never have to worry about your machine breaking down and not knowing what to do.
Edit: Also think about what kind of software you're going to need. Sometimes there can be a huge difference between similar Mac apps and PC software.
So to compare... should my android (4 of my 5 family members including me have iPhones) home's button stop working... and sent it in, would I get a new phone within 3 days as well?
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.
It wouldn't hurt to call up customer service and check; I'm guessing it'll be different depending where you got your phone and what their return policy is, especially if you get them with those prepaid network plans. |
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| Rannasha Netherlands. July 26 2012 23:20. Posts 2263 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 23:06 Ryhzuo wrote:
One final note too, that no one EVER mentions because all discussion is always on pure specs. Apple is completely unrivaled in customer service, warranty and general helpfulness with all their devices. When my iPhone's home button stopped working a month in, I sent it in and they got me a brand new phone within 3 days. If you buy Apple, you will never have to worry about your machine breaking down and not knowing what to do.
Apples warranty policy is actually pretty poor and in violation of EU regulations. Consumer electronics such as laptops should have 2 years of warranty according to EU regulations. Apple refuses to comply and only provides 1 year of warranty, with the consumer having the option to buy an extensive warranty-extension ("Apple Care"). Consumer organizations in several European countries have been trying to get Apple to comply, but without much success. |
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| HomeWorld Romania. July 26 2012 23:20. Posts 561 | Profile # |
On July 26 2012 21:37 Keitzer wrote:My sister is looking at laptops for college. She (apparently) wants to go into something photography related, and asked me (the biggest tech guy in the family) whether a PC or a Mac would be better. I told her they're the exact same, except the mac is about $1000 more expensive. Yet she kept questioning if the Mac is better for art/design. Basically I'm asking (because my google-fu isn't good enough):
Which is a better choice laptop for college and why - Mac or PC?and Why is a MAC considered better for Art/Design?(i still don't understand this, especially since you can get all the programs like photoshop and more on PC) We're going to the Apple store and Best Buy later today to check some out in person cuz she's the type of buyer that has to like the way it looks and not give a shit about specs. But I know at the very least it has to have a decent amount of RAM and other parts that keep the computer updated for at least a few years.
Yes, if a PC laptop, assume it would have exact same specs as the 13" MacBook Pro. (and because people like polls): WHICH DO YOU PREFER (OR RECOMMEND?) Poll: Mac or PC (Laptop, college)PC (102) 74% Mac (36) 26% 138 total votes Your vote: Mac or PC (Laptop, college) (Vote): Mac
(Vote): PC
Disclaimer: I'm super tech-savvy, built my own gaming rig, etc etc, so anything tech-specific (especially in arguments for- or against- mac/pc) I'm ok with
The thing is that you could get a laptop with same specs or better than apple ones, for less $$$, now , you have to find a balance between quality/performance/price, clearly "macfries" have very good quality and decent performance but the price .... I don't even want to think about it. Also there are laptops around with the same build quality, better performance and decent price, you just have to look for it (plenty to choose from).
Since you are a tech savy guy, probably, you already know the answer (no need for us to give you advices regarding what you should buy). |
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| Ryhzuo United Kingdom. July 26 2012 23:32. Posts 157 | Profile Blog # |
On July 26 2012 23:20 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 23:06 Ryhzuo wrote:
One final note too, that no one EVER mentions because all discussion is always on pure specs. Apple is completely unrivaled in customer service, warranty and general helpfulness with all their devices. When my iPhone's home button stopped working a month in, I sent it in and they got me a brand new phone within 3 days. If you buy Apple, you will never have to worry about your machine breaking down and not knowing what to do.
Apples warranty policy is actually pretty poor and in violation of EU regulations. Consumer electronics such as laptops should have 2 years of warranty according to EU regulations. Apple refuses to comply and only provides 1 year of warranty, with the consumer having the option to buy an extensive warranty-extension ("Apple Care"). Consumer organizations in several European countries have been trying to get Apple to comply, but without much success.
The warranty is better, that's why you have to pay it. You get what you pay for, in a manner of speaking.
Not saying I condone Apple's violation of EU regulations, mind. Last edit: 2012-07-26 23:35:16 |
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