80% people I talked to including gunrun said get a new gfx card 20% including myself think I need a better CPU but when I look at benchmarks the i5 2500k is doing fairly well compared to a 2700k or even a i5 3500k(something like that)
Thoughts ?
Oh Im running Xsplit at 30fps 1280x720 I have 3mb upload and stream at 1800 bitrate and also I only have 2 scenes one for out of game with webcam only no screen region
On July 27 2012 01:21 Everest9 wrote: How are your video settings ingame? Might wanna screenshot them and post them here. Video drivers? Tried a clean install of Windows?
forgot to add im using low hybrid from the TL post
80% of people don't know what they're talking about and shouldn't be giving advice. It's absolutely not the video card. 560ti can handle SC2 just fine at 1920x1080, which is the resolution I'm assuming you have.
Did your FPS use to be higher? Because 30FPS during a maxed battle while streaming on a 2500K @ 4.4 sounds perfectly normal to me. What are your other (very) relevant Xsplit settings - preset and quality?
[QUOTE][B]On July 29 2011 13:35 R1CH wrote:[/B] 575W PSU for $25? ಠ_ಠ[/QUOTE]
Streaming and SC2 are the 2 most CPU intensive things on the planet. I'd say encoding is the other but that's exactly what you're doing, in combination with running a game (a CPU biased game). The GPU is only a factor on max settings in SC2 when it reaches full load (you can definitely get near max with SSAO etc in single player).
It kind of sucks that you can have one of the most powerful CPUs on the planet OC'd and it isn't enough, and the 37k etc hasn't even been out that long, and don't bench any faster in games (@ the same clocks) but where I'm guessing they shine is where you're at, and pretty much only that. At this point, I think you need to find someone who KNOWS THEIR DUNG and actually streams with a more expensive CPU and has actual feasible proof that it handles late game better while streaming.
Also if I'm not mistaken, if low-hybrid graphics actually enables medium shaders, that is putting more load on the CPU than low shaders, so you may want to test how the FPS drops (replay?) on regular low versus modified settings.
On July 27 2012 02:25 Wabbit wrote: 80% of people don't know what they're talking about and shouldn't be giving advice. It's absolutely not the video card. 560ti can handle SC2 just fine at 1920x1080, which is the resolution I'm assuming you have.
Did your FPS use to be higher? Because 30FPS during a maxed battle while streaming on a 2500K @ 4.4 sounds perfectly normal to me. What are your other (very) relevant Xsplit settings - preset and quality?
Gunrun did those settings for me
preset: veryfast&ex:bitrate:1800&ex:nal-hrd:cbr quality: not set
On July 27 2012 02:30 DarKcS wrote: Streaming and SC2 are the 2 most CPU intensive things on the planet. I'd say encoding is the other but that's exactly what you're doing, in combination with running a game (a CPU biased game). The GPU is only a factor on max settings in SC2 when it reaches full load (you can definitely get near max with SSAO etc in single player).
It kind of sucks that you can have one of the most powerful CPUs on the planet OC'd and it isn't enough, and the 37k etc hasn't even been out that long, and don't bench any faster in games (@ the same clocks) but where I'm guessing they shine is where you're at, and pretty much only that. At this point, I think you need to find someone who KNOWS THEIR DUNG and actually streams with a more expensive CPU and has actual feasible proof that it handles late game better while streaming.
Also if I'm not mistaken, if low-hybrid graphics actually enables medium shaders, that is putting more load on the CPU than low shaders, so you may want to test how the FPS drops (replay?) on regular low versus modified settings.
people think thats the issue because I only have 1GB of ram on my gfx card and im using 2 monitors but i guess youre right ill try shaders low
Are you using DXtory ? Cause there is a known issue which i found with SC2 and DXtory which gives me severe frame drops just like this. I go from 100 fps to 25-30. Have no solution for that. If youre using screen region you should be fine, then its something else. I would turn off hyperthreading in bios since its simulates 2x cores for youre cpu which means you are loosing tons of performance from your cpu. Just a tip to get you started.
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Wabbit United States. July 27 2012 02:44. Posts 1003
On July 27 2012 02:43 Avean wrote: I would turn off hyperthreading in bios since its simulates 2x cores for youre cpu which means you are loosing tons of performance from your cpu. Just a tip to get you started.
/double facepalm
Do I even need to tell you how wrong this is?
[QUOTE][B]On July 29 2011 13:35 R1CH wrote:[/B] 575W PSU for $25? ಠ_ಠ[/QUOTE]
On July 27 2012 02:43 Avean wrote: I would turn off hyperthreading in bios since its simulates 2x cores for youre cpu which means you are loosing tons of performance from your cpu. Just a tip to get you started.
/double facepalm
Do I even need to tell you how wrong this is?
Its not wrong, hyperthreading was good on single cores, not on multi-cores. I got 30 more fps with hyperthreading OFF in SC2 and went from 25 to 115fps in Arma 2 engine by turning it off.
To elaborate more since you are demanding technical answers. On your physical cores, desrow has 4. With hyperthreading it simulates (virtual) cores and then spreading the performance between em. And here is the issue, its spreading performance among 4 of his physical cores and 4 of his "virtual" ones. So you can see here why it gives performance decrease with hyperthreading for multi cores.
Please do keep HT enabled :D (Edit: I was only reacting to your advice for disabling HT. XSplit will utilize the virtual cores to great extend). Desrow, I've sent you a PM with my Skype details. I'm convinced we can work this out between Gunrun and myself. Of course we'll post the solution for everyone here later
Last edit: 2012-07-27 03:10:11
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Could you post a replay of game where your fps drops significantly? I also have slight issues with low-high hybrid settings on 2600k 4,8k and highly OCed HD6950.
On July 27 2012 02:53 HellGreen wrote: Please do keep HT enabled :D Desrow, I've sent you a PM with my Skype details. I'm convinced we can work this out between Gunrun and myself. Of course we'll post the solution for everyone here later
Have you guys done proper testing with it off and on ? Cause i got a major increase and stable fps with it turned off. I was having the exact same issues as Desrow before.
Wabbit United States. July 27 2012 02:58. Posts 1003
On July 27 2012 02:43 Avean wrote: I would turn off hyperthreading in bios since its simulates 2x cores for youre cpu which means you are loosing tons of performance from your cpu. Just a tip to get you started.
/double facepalm
Do I even need to tell you how wrong this is?
Its not wrong, hyperthreading was good on single cores, not on multi-cores. I got 30 more fps with hyperthreading OFF in SC2 and went from 25 to 115fps in Arma 2 engine by turning it off.
To elaborate more since you are demanding technical answers. On your physical cores, desrow has 4. With hyperthreading it simulates (virtual) cores and then spreading the performance between em. And here is the issue, its spreading performance among 4 of his physical cores and 4 of his "virtual" ones. So you can see here why it gives performance decrease with hyperthreading for multi cores.
First of all, he has a 2500K not a 2600K or 2700K or 3770K, so this is a moot point for him.
Second of all, there have been tons of benchmarks by many reputable tech sites, as well as many people who've built their PC's with i7's (from advice given in the Computer Build Resource Thread) and they get the same performance with HT on.
The windows scheduler is smart enough to assign tasks to physical cores first before using the logical cores.
Your situation sounds like an isolated issue. HT has been known to cause problems sometimes, but the vast majority of the time it works fine and is even very good for streaming since XSplit is well threaded and SC2 only runs on 2 simultaneous threads anyway.
[QUOTE][B]On July 29 2011 13:35 R1CH wrote:[/B] 575W PSU for $25? ಠ_ಠ[/QUOTE]
On July 27 2012 02:53 HellGreen wrote: Please do keep HT enabled :D Desrow, I've sent you a PM with my Skype details. I'm convinced we can work this out between Gunrun and myself. Of course we'll post the solution for everyone here later
Have you guys done proper testing with it off and on ? Cause i got a major increase and stable fps with it turned off. I was having the exact same issues as Desrow before.
