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| Shebuha Canada. July 27 2012 09:29. Posts 941 | Profile # |
I think this is a good thing that they're removing these mods. Why should players be able to mod the game so that they have more fun and incentive to play?
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| Lumi United States. July 27 2012 09:30. Posts 1027 | Profile # |
| Retract, this thread wasn't the place for this :o Last edit: 2012-07-27 09:31:12 |
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 CaptainCharisma New Zealand. July 27 2012 09:31. Posts 808 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:28 trbot wrote:
Red-green colourblind people like me are already pissed enough about the use of red and green to differentiate good and bad. I can't see the friggin' building placement grid properly... I can't see the friggin' tiny red nuke dots since I can't differentiate between the green ground and the red dot... Friend and foe colour schemes make all units look the same to me, which makes team games with a large number of players frustrating.
How much more pissed am I going to be when I can't use any mods to change any of this? How pissed do you think I should be?
How about just accepting that you're going to have problems with a game that demands basic skills that you don't have?
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| Teliko Ireland. July 27 2012 09:33. Posts 990 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:27 Toorgr wrote:
So they only reason you're against the change is because you want your colour mod and custom backgrounds? That sounds weak to me, I guess colour mod makes sense for colorblinds, and even then I'm not sure..
If you have a reason you're for the change when it won't effect maphackers, I'm happy to hear it. |
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| -Kyo- United States. July 27 2012 09:33. Posts 920 | Profile Blog # |
On July 27 2012 08:58 bokchoi wrote:
The problem is a lot of these things stronger team color, model mods, etc. can give an unfair advantage to those using it. Makes units more clear, stand out, etc. These are not intended features and should be done away with. The fact that a majority of hacks come from this same exact file modification is also a concern. Although, the custom logins, and backgrounds are kind of cool, its a necessary sacrifice to get where we need to be.
Yeah, that makes no sense. STC only applies to what you see on your main screen. If there was something like 2x double minimap size colors with red arrows pointing at enemy units then I'd totally agree. However, STC only enhances what you already see just to reduce the strain you have during something like team games, or from a spectator point of view. I've never felt "stronger" or I had an unfair advantage with STC. If you have that feeling, it's simply a personal feeling.
I obviously support this thread as I'm one of the few people in GM who stream with STC. I feel it's great for viewers especially on 1080p and have used it since I found out about it! Last edit: 2012-07-27 09:34:48 |
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| trbot Canada. July 27 2012 09:33. Posts 142 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:31 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 09:28 trbot wrote:
Red-green colourblind people like me are already pissed enough about the use of red and green to differentiate good and bad. I can't see the friggin' building placement grid properly... I can't see the friggin' tiny red nuke dots since I can't differentiate between the green ground and the red dot... Friend and foe colour schemes make all units look the same to me, which makes team games with a large number of players frustrating.
How much more pissed am I going to be when I can't use any mods to change any of this? How pissed do you think I should be?
How about just accepting that you're going to have problems with a game that demands basic skills that you don't have?
I can see that you lack basic reasoning skills, maybe you should accept that you shouldn't chime in on these discussions.
EDIT: maybe I should say something constructive, too. This isn't some fundamental thing I'm lacking. It's not like I can only play at 10apm. I just can't distinguish red and green. This is simple. Whenever a huge strategic advantage would come from the ability to distinguish between red or green, just change one of the colours. Derp.Last edit: 2012-07-27 09:35:08 |
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| Lumi United States. July 27 2012 09:33. Posts 1027 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:31 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 09:28 trbot wrote:
Red-green colourblind people like me are already pissed enough about the use of red and green to differentiate good and bad. I can't see the friggin' building placement grid properly... I can't see the friggin' tiny red nuke dots since I can't differentiate between the green ground and the red dot... Friend and foe colour schemes make all units look the same to me, which makes team games with a large number of players frustrating.
How much more pissed am I going to be when I can't use any mods to change any of this? How pissed do you think I should be?
How about just accepting that you're going to have problems with a game that demands basic skills that you don't have?
Except that these mods potentially allow this person to overcome an obstacle. You think you have good advice by telling someone to accept not being able to participate in something, when it would be easy for them to, through this? |
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| AzureHath Bulgaria. July 27 2012 09:37. Posts 154 | Profile # |
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| Teliko Ireland. July 27 2012 09:37. Posts 990 | Profile # |
| For those concerned, I don't think you actually need to put in your address for the petition. When I first made it and signed, I wasn't even asked. Try just leaving it blank and seeing if it accepts that, if not, just put some random jibberish in there. I can understand people might be put off putting their personal info in there. |
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| DrPhilOfdOOm Sweden. July 27 2012 09:37. Posts 351 | Profile # | |
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| CaptainCharisma New Zealand. July 27 2012 09:39. Posts 808 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:33 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 09:31 CaptainCharisma wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:28 trbot wrote:
Red-green colourblind people like me are already pissed enough about the use of red and green to differentiate good and bad. I can't see the friggin' building placement grid properly... I can't see the friggin' tiny red nuke dots since I can't differentiate between the green ground and the red dot... Friend and foe colour schemes make all units look the same to me, which makes team games with a large number of players frustrating.
How much more pissed am I going to be when I can't use any mods to change any of this? How pissed do you think I should be?
How about just accepting that you're going to have problems with a game that demands basic skills that you don't have?
Except that these mods potentially allow this person to overcome an obstacle. You think you have good advice by telling someone to accept not being able to participate in something, when it would be easy for them to, through this?
Where did I say he cannot participate?
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| Teliko Ireland. July 27 2012 09:39. Posts 990 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:37 AzureHath wrote:
i got your back gav /sign
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| xrapture United States. July 27 2012 09:41. Posts 1643 | Profile Blog # |
| A multi billion dollar company wants to make it harder for their product to get hacked. Boo hoo, end of the world, eh? |
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| sAsImre July 27 2012 09:42. Posts 2981 | Profile Blog # |
On July 27 2012 09:41 xrapture wrote:
A multi billion dollar company wants to make it harder for their product to get hacked. Boo hoo, end of the world, eh?
multiple ppl have explained that it doesn't deal at all with hack. Reading is hard hey? |
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| CaptainCharisma New Zealand. July 27 2012 09:43. Posts 808 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:33 trbot wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 09:31 CaptainCharisma wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:28 trbot wrote:
Red-green colourblind people like me are already pissed enough about the use of red and green to differentiate good and bad. I can't see the friggin' building placement grid properly... I can't see the friggin' tiny red nuke dots since I can't differentiate between the green ground and the red dot... Friend and foe colour schemes make all units look the same to me, which makes team games with a large number of players frustrating.
How much more pissed am I going to be when I can't use any mods to change any of this? How pissed do you think I should be?
How about just accepting that you're going to have problems with a game that demands basic skills that you don't have?
I can see that you lack basic reasoning skills, maybe you should accept that you shouldn't chime in on these discussions. EDIT: maybe I should say something constructive, too. This isn't some fundamental thing I'm lacking. It's not like I can only play at 10apm. I just can't distinguish red and green. This is simple. Whenever a huge strategic advantage would come from the ability to distinguish between red or green, just change one of the colours. Derp.
Cool, personal attacks. We'll see where this gets the debate going.
If you had basic comprehension skills you'd realize that my post wasn't some sort of analysis loaded with reason. It was a suggestion for a crybaby. No reason required or asserted for such a comment.
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| trbot Canada. July 27 2012 09:43. Posts 142 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:41 xrapture wrote:
A multi billion dollar company wants to make it harder for their product to get hacked. Boo hoo, end of the world, eh?
Stop perpetuating this nonsense. If you're not a computer science student you may not know it, but this has ZERO bearing on hackers' abilities to continue doing what they're doing. They will still be able to write loaders that unprotect the game's memory space and modify things, or just snoop around in the game's memory space with an external program to create maphacks. It's very easy, and doesn't require modifying ANY game files.
On July 27 2012 09:43 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Cool, personal attacks. We'll see where this gets the debate going.
If you had basic comprehension skills you'd realize that my post wasn't some sort of analysis loaded with reason. It was a suggestion for a crybaby. No reason required or asserted for such a comment.
Thanks for the tips, bro. I can see now that you're not worth conversing with. To anyone who's not an insensitive moron, the way you're behaving seems pretty terrible.Last edit: 2012-07-27 09:47:37 |
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| Sikly United States. July 27 2012 09:44. Posts 408 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:22 Chargelot wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 09:17 draumr wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:07 Chargelot wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:03 nafta wrote:
On July 27 2012 08:56 CajunMan wrote:
What pisses me off is all of this mods are very easy for Blizzard to implement on there own and everyone would love them for it but no that would never happen.
That would be too reasonable though.....Not really blizzard's style.
1. Blizzard is not your bitch. 2. Blizzard has designed the EULA to say they can and will ban you for MPQ editing, be glad they supported it for as long as they did.
You do realize that Blizzard employees have publicly endorsed the use of stronger team colors, right? Honestly people, this is an unintentional change that happened when they implemented the streaming game files, if enough people get behind this poll they'll most likely add mod support of some type. This isn't going to stop a single hacker, and as for people having slight advantages through modding files it will not change the outcome of a game 99.9% of the time, unless they are colorblind, in which case many people just can no longer play/commentate the game. I don't even use Mods and would hate to see them removed, even if Blizzard added some of the customization levels instead of allowing full modding it would be good.
I'm sure it's an accident too, but Blizzard employees never speak for Blizzard. It's something you see a lot on the forums, any time someone from Blizzard agrees with something or comments on something with his own personal opinion it's never "official". Which was sort of my point, they could have said "I like this mod" and then banned everyone who used it anyways. The EULA is the master of the rules, not Blizzard Employee X, even if he happens to be David Kim or similar. It was a miracle that they didn't ban for this even with employee endorsement.
Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 09:20 Lumi wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:07 Chargelot wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:03 nafta wrote:
On July 27 2012 08:56 CajunMan wrote:
What pisses me off is all of this mods are very easy for Blizzard to implement on there own and everyone would love them for it but no that would never happen.
That would be too reasonable though.....Not really blizzard's style.
1. Blizzard is not your bitch. 2. Blizzard has designed the EULA to say they can and will ban you for MPQ editing, be glad they supported it for as long as they did.
You come into this petition thread / crowd just to say "blizz isn't your bitch, be glad they 'supported' you in this for as long as they did" Really? Betcha wouldn't say this around some real world sc fans just hangin out having this conversation and expressing their remorse for losing these things that they enjoyed. Because then you'd see them looking at you and realize what kind of person you were in that moment for saying that. But you'd see that coming and avoid it IRL, so why not here? We're still just as unimpressed.
Yes I would tell you Blizzard is not your bitch in real life. I'm a student of the University of Delaware, so if you're ever in the area shoot me a PM so I can tell you that Blizzard is not your bitch. But thanks for the laugh.
Guess I should have clarified, the Blizzard employee I spoke of was Dustin Browder. And Dustin Browder(or David Kim, as the example you pointed out) actually do have the power to change the EULA. I'm sorry, the EULA isn't some magical thing that the gods gave to Blizzard and they have to strictly follow it. They can easily change it, and have many times in the past.
Obviously they can change their minds and not allow modding, but when its an obvious oversight on their part, we have a pretty damn good chance of getting support. Being a negative nancy and saying "well be glad we had it till now" isn't how you solve problems. Blizzard is actually the customers bitch. If we as a customer base stopped giving them money they would no longer be a successful company. They know that keeping their customer base as happy as possible will get them more money in the long run, and something like this is very easy for them to fix/change. This isn't like LAN where giving to us actually takes a significant amount of power away from them. |
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| Al Bundy July 27 2012 09:44. Posts 7174 | Profile # |
| Meh... as far as I know, Blizzard doesn't care about petitions. |
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| Lumi United States. July 27 2012 09:47. Posts 1027 | Profile # |
Cool, personal attacks. We'll see where this gets the debate going.
If you had basic comprehension skills you'd realize that my post wasn't some sort of analysis loaded with reason. It was a suggestion for a crybaby. No reason required or asserted for such a comment.
You complain about personal attacks after making them? You j ust s aid that your original post was a suggestion for a crybaby, which, guess what, is pretty much an insult. Seems like you're the crybaby, and that you're more interested in telling people to give up than overcome, even with simple things. And simultaneously you're trying to play to the tune of "we'll see where this gets the debate going" when all you've ever been doing is treating him like crap? What a joke, dude.
He brings up a really good and unique POV for why color modding can be useful to people at a level as fundamental as solving his problem. The utility of the color mods has been in question in this thread previously, so his post falls in suit supremely well here. Can't say the same for you, and you're not going to convince any of us that you're not being a dick here because guess what, you were and it's obvious lol.Last edit: 2012-07-27 09:47:49 |
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| EoinD Ireland. July 27 2012 09:48. Posts 9 | Profile # |
On July 27 2012 09:39 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 09:33 Lumi wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:31 CaptainCharisma wrote:
On July 27 2012 09:28 trbot wrote:
Red-green colourblind people like me are already pissed enough about the use of red and green to differentiate good and bad. I can't see the friggin' building placement grid properly... I can't see the friggin' tiny red nuke dots since I can't differentiate between the green ground and the red dot... Friend and foe colour schemes make all units look the same to me, which makes team games with a large number of players frustrating.
How much more pissed am I going to be when I can't use any mods to change any of this? How pissed do you think I should be?
How about just accepting that you're going to have problems with a game that demands basic skills that you don't have?
Except that these mods potentially allow this person to overcome an obstacle. You think you have good advice by telling someone to accept not being able to participate in something, when it would be easy for them to, through this?
Where did I say he cannot participate?
I don't even .... If you had a condition where you couldn't see the red dot for a nuke or other things like that because of a legitimate condition , and STC would help that , would you be against it ? No , you wouldn't . It's not like he is refusing to see the red dot on a green background , he physically can't . Get over yourself please. |
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