[Trans] Criticism against WCG Korea SC2 Qualifiers

Translated from http://s.163.com/12/0728/19/87H9LULH00314D0E.html which was translated from http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1254514
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[T/N: There're some spoilers in this. Don't read if you're the sort who doesn't like spoilers.]

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As a result of various issues during the tournament, the Korean WCG Starcraft 2 Qualifiers have come under fire from various players, eSports personnel, and spectators.

The WCG Starcraft 2 Korean Qualifiers kicked off on 27 July. On 27 July, they held the qualifiers for KeSPA players. On 28 July, they had the qualifiers of some of the non-KeSPA players, and on 1 August, they would conduct the remaining qualifying matches.

The first problem arises from map problems and judgment calls.

On 28 July, in group 9 of the non-KeSPA players qualifiers, SK_MC faced off against MVP_Finale. As MC wasn't sure what the map order was, he asked the official what map it was, and the official told him the first map would be Ohana. So the first map was played on Ohana, and MC took the victory.

But after the game had been completed, the MVP coach raised up the point that they had been told the first map would be Entombed Valley rather than Ohana. In the end, even though that first game on Ohana had been settled and the victor decided, the official declared that there would be a regame. MC won in the regame on Entombed Valley, but ended up losing in the next 2 games and was eliminated by Finale.
[T/N: So MC went up 1-0 on Ohana, but game was forfeited so it becomes 0-0. Then MC wins on Entombed Valley, so he goes up 1-0 again. But he goes on to lose next 2 games and the final score is MC 1-2 Finale.]

It was the official who told the player the map was Ohana, and so the game was played on Ohana. However, after receiving the complaint from the player who lost, the official announced the regame even after the entire first game was completed. This is a huge issue. The result was that the players had played their game on Ohana as if it was part of the series, and then after that, had the game invalidated and a regame declared. This led to MC being the victim of the judgment call and having to give up his advantageous position of being 1-0 up. [T/N; Upon some further investigation, it seems like Ohana was to be the second map in the series. So I guess MC's strategy on Ohana would have been revealed in the forfeited game, thus making it unfair.]

The second problem was with the scheduling. The WCG qualifiers were initially planned for 27 July to 29 July, but due to the GSTL finals on 28 July, some of the games had to be postponed to 1 August.

Along this process, we have our victim in this scenario, EG_JYP. He was preparing for the GSTL finals with the SlayerS_EG team, and would not have been able to take part in the qualifiers on 28 July.

Under normal circumstances, JYP's game would have had been postponed to 1 August. But in the scheduling, JYP's name actually appeared on the schedule for 28 July. Upon knowing this, JYP contacted the organisers for the qualifiers to request for a postponement of his qualifying games, but his request ended up being rejected, and it was taken as if he had forfeited his game in the qualifier.

Also, other sources have claimed that there are players who are not in teams belonging to the SC2 Federation (such as SlayerS), players in foreign teams (such as JYP), and teamless players expressing that they faced many problems with regard to the scheduling and the communication of the scheduling for the qualifiers.

An eSports related personnel who prefers to remain anonymous had this to say about the event: "To be a representative for Korea in WCG is what all players desire. Yet during the scheduling for the qualifiers and the execution of the qualifiers, many players went through such situations in which they were the victims. This competition has already been held for more than 10 years, and yet these problems still occur, and even after improvements, the outcome is still the same. It's even worse than some amateur competitions."

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[T/N: Please note that this is a translation of a translation. Not too sure whether Finale and coach had complained AFTER they lost or whether they had complained from the start, and the official held the decision until after the game. From what I see, it seems like they complained after they lost, but I'm not entirely sure. Sorry

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Last edit: 2012-07-29 00:58:34

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Weirdkid Singapore. July 29 2012 00:41. Posts 2110

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Oops.

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Probe1 United States. July 29 2012 00:42. Posts 16445

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I just want to comment on the MC part because JYP still has a chance to reconcile the scheduling error with WCG before August 1st and fix that issue.

I'm willing to bet that MC didn't have 'prepared builds' that were lost due to the first game being negated. Was the staff member that told him it was Ohana incorrectly completely at fault? Yeah. But does that make a regame totally out of the question? And does that excuse MC losing two straight games after Ohana and Entombed any less his fault?

Does it really?

Sounds like MC lost after having a bad miscommunication during the first game and (I would be shocked to find it was him leveling the complaint) his fans or drama hungry writers want to justify it through punishing the tournament. Mistakes will be made in any tournament. Sucks it happened this time but I don't see how MC was completely denied a fair chance. He had three games, even if the first sadly wasn't counted.

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ohampatu United States. July 29 2012 00:44. Posts 1427

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i can def see how mc would be sad, technically going up 2-0, then being told the first game doesn't count, and losing 2-1 to Finale's comeback.

wcs as awesome as it seems, has had more issues than id like

hope everything plays out well

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winthrop Hong Kong. July 29 2012 00:46. Posts 793

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i was translating but god at least i refreshed one more time.

Finally we saw the evil side of the alliance

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dLG)Bananenbaum Germany. July 29 2012 00:49. Posts 61

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You cant take WCG serious anymore .. they totally lost evertyhing with their decisions in the last years.

WCS is by far more important for Sc2 then WCG and i think for every other title out there are enough other important tournaments...

Hall0wed United States. July 29 2012 00:50. Posts 7234

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On July 29 2012 00:44 ohampatu wrote:
i can def see how mc would be sad, technically going up 2-0, then being told the first game doesn't count, and losing 2-1 to Finale's comeback.

wcs as awesome as it seems, has had more issues than id like

hope everything plays out well

WCG, not WCS.

I was really happy when WCG was supposed to do cellphone games only actually, just the fact that they even thought of doing that shows that they are incompetent when it comes to running a good tournament imo.

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Weirdkid Singapore. July 29 2012 00:51. Posts 2110

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*Poke* This is for WCG haha.

And Probe1 you do raise a valid point there. I guess it kinda lies on whether MC's build on Ohana was prepared or not, though for these types of tournaments it's certainly fair to assume it's usually can''t be that prepared.

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winthrop Hong Kong. July 29 2012 00:53. Posts 793

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from the article, i think the affair began after 1st set, then regame but latter 1-2 loss of MC

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Weirdkid Singapore. July 29 2012 00:57. Posts 2110

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Oops again -__- WTH

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ZAiNs United Kingdom. July 29 2012 00:58. Posts 3465

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If Finale had a problem he should have said something before the game started or as soon as they went in-game.

Shiori July 29 2012 00:58. Posts 2815

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Wow, that's really unfair to MC. I mean, in 4 games, he went 2-2 with Finale. One of them didn't count and Finale therefore wins? Super unfair.

Weirdkid Singapore. July 29 2012 00:58. Posts 2110

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WTH I keep hitting "quote" instead of "edit"...

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HolyExlxF United States. July 29 2012 01:08. Posts 160

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On July 29 2012 00:58 ZAiNs wrote:
If Finale had a problem he should have said something before the game started or as soon as they went in-game.

100% Agree. If a tournament organizer/admin told me the first game would be Entombed, and I loaded up in a lobby with my opponent for Ohana, I would immediately raise the question. Not raising it until after the loss is MVP's fault and they should deal with the consequences.

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Shiori July 29 2012 01:09. Posts 2815

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On July 29 2012 01:08 HolyExlxF wrote:

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Yep. This is actually a huge issue because MC got knocked out in a series that he went 2-0 in. Let that sink in. He played 2 full uninterrupted games and won both of them. Both of the maps were official. The only problem was the order? Seriously? That's fucking ridiculous.

I'm sorry, but I don't know of any tournament player who gets so thrown off by having to play a different map (that they're going to have to play anyway) that they lose 2 games straight because of it. The officials said the map was Ohana. That means it should have been Ohana. Results should be final. Period. MVP's coach should be utterly ashamed of stealing a win in this manner.

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Doodsmack United States. July 29 2012 01:36. Posts 2068

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Not a big deal at all really. Hope people don't blow this out of proportion. Any time someone makes a mistake in eSports they apparently deserve a thread for criticism :/.

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fire_brand Canada. July 29 2012 01:37. Posts 999

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WCG has always had a reputation of having kind of vague rules and bad organization. Their tournaments are famous for having issues like these with bad officiating, or conflicting rulings. Especially in the last few years the quality of the tournaments has fallen off drastically or at least fallen behind as other tournaments continue to improve. WCG used to be THE marquee tournament for SC, but that's just not the case anymore.

They really need to either reinvent themselves or just gracefully bow out of the scene. Other tournaments are putting them to shame, and occurences like this just go to give further credence to this point of view. To borrow one of those cliche sports phrases, it's make or break time for WCG.

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Sc2ttyl United States. July 29 2012 01:40. Posts 245

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On July 29 2012 01:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Not a big deal at all really. Hope people don't blow this out of proportion. Any time someone makes a mistake in eSports they apparently deserve a thread for criticism :/.

What are you talking about. Picture yourself in a big tournament and you get that first win to give yourself confidence then being told it doesn't count for no good reason. Thats a big deal. Maybe not to you becuase you werent the player but that is totally stupid.

Kiyo. United States. July 29 2012 01:41. Posts 2212

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JYP could have played if it was important enough to him. Scheduling conflicts are going to occur, if not now, then later. Players will have to choose what is more important to them.

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Shiori July 29 2012 01:45. Posts 2815

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Are you joking? Let me put this simply:

The first map played was dismissed because it was not supposed to be the first map in the pool. It was still a legal map with no inherent issues. It could be one of the later maps (and, in fact, was). What makes Finale's victory on Ohana more legitimate than MC's? That he played it in game 2 rather than in game 1?

But even more than that: MC won 2-0 on legitimate maps in the tournament pool. His first win was dismissed on the grounds that the maps were played out of order. That's moronic because the order of the maps doesn't affect the players, and because no complaint was raised until after the game i.e. at a point where it could not possibly have mattered anyway.

I mean, I could understand if they had played game 1 on Dual Sight or some other map not in the pool, but the WCG pool is Antiga, Entombed, and Ohana. Who gives a fuck if they played the wrong map in game 1? To add insult to injury, it was a PvP which means that no argument about race favouring on any map can even be made.

Bullshit decision that should be reversed.

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