Ergonomic Mice VS. Ambidextrious

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On July 31 2012 04:32 essencesc2 wrote:
i really think that Logitech mice are better quality, having used several razer and logitech mice. the G9x is REALLY nice, currently i use the Mionix Naos 5000, its a really nice mouse from a small company. look outside of razer, into other companies.

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On July 31 2012 03:30 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Hey guys, got a question:

I'm looking to buy a new Razer mouse, and I've narrowed it down to two choices:

Imperator

OR:

Taipan

My question is this: Which should I get? I know it sounds obvious, but I've owned two gaming mice in my lifetime. My trusty Razer Copperhead, which lasted me almost 7 years, and now my Steelseries Xai, which while only ~4 years old, is well worn and not adequate for gaming anymore; I'm retiring it to my office.

I'm interested in the Imperator because I've heard that the ergonomic mice are slightly more comfortable. However, I'm also interested in the Taipan because its newer, and I've heard that the Imperator has some issues with its tracking system.

I use a Razer Goliathus Speed Edition mousepad if anyone is wondering.

If anyone could give me any advice, experience, feedback with either mice, I'd greatly appreciate it.

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On July 31 2012 04:50 sawedust wrote:


Both have PTE laser sensors, so they're going to be a lot more inaccurate opposed to the DeathAdder and the Abyssus, both of which have been proven to have flawless sensors. The DeathAdder would fall under the ergonomic section, the Abyssus in the ambidextrous.

If you're not familiar with the PTE issue, what happens is every time you lift your mouse off the mousepad to readjust, the cursor will move/jerk/twitch somewhere on the screen. This causes a lot of accuracy issues and generally is undesirable when it comes to having a great mouse. A mouse like the CM Storm Spawn doesn't move your cursor with a 1CD lift-off distance; it will stay in place as you readjust your mouse.

The more important thing to consider is your grip style. If you're a palm gripper or really need the extra buttons, go with the DeathAdder. It's one of the best palm grip mice I've ever used; only one that could probably beat it is the G400. If you're a claw or fingertip gripper, go with the Abyssus.

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On July 31 2012 04:50 sawedust wrote:


Both have PTE laser sensors, so they're going to be a lot more inaccurate opposed to the DeathAdder and the Abyssus, both of which have been proven to have flawless sensors. The DeathAdder would fall under the ergonomic section, the Abyssus in the ambidextrous.

If you're not familiar with the PTE issue, what happens is every time you lift your mouse off the mousepad to readjust, the cursor will move/jerk/twitch somewhere on the screen. This causes a lot of accuracy issues and generally is undesirable when it comes to having a great mouse. A mouse like the CM Storm Spawn doesn't move your cursor with a 1CD lift-off distance; it will stay in place as you readjust your mouse.

The more important thing to consider is your grip style. If you're a palm gripper or really need the extra buttons, go with the DeathAdder. It's one of the best palm grip mice I've ever used; only one that could probably beat it is the G400. If you're a claw or fingertip gripper, go with the Abyssus.

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On July 31 2012 05:01 wo1fwood wrote:

Taipan uses the A9818 which means inconsistent +/- accel issues, the second senor used is for 'advanced calibration', whatever that means :D. Also PTE does have the z-axis bug but that was sort of fixed. One thing however, dynamic dpi scaling is probably the dumbest idea on a sensor due to the fact that it cannot compute the scaling changes fast enough (massive neg accel perceived when using higer CPI settings).

Honestly Taipan is the better bet, closer to the Copperhead, and decent performance. Also people who have reviewed the Taipan say that the new build construction/quality is quite good (goes for the Taipan and Ouroboros).

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On July 31 2012 04:52 renaissanceMAN wrote:


I was worried about this, but I had read somewhere that if you change a certain setting on the mouse to its maximum, this doesn't happen. Can anyone confirm/deny?

I'm a claw/fingertip gripper, all of the mice I've owned have been ambidextrious.

Should I make the switch though?

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Both have PTE laser sensors, so they're going to be a lot more inaccurate opposed to the DeathAdder and the Abyssus, both of which have been proven to have flawless sensors.

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On July 31 2012 05:01 wo1fwood wrote:

Taipan uses the A9818 which means inconsistent +/- accel issues, the second senor used is for 'advanced calibration', whatever that means :D. Also PTE does have the z-axis bug but that was sort of fixed. One thing however, dynamic dpi scaling is probably the dumbest idea on a sensor due to the fact that it cannot compute the scaling changes fast enough (massive neg accel perceived when using higer CPI settings).

Honestly Taipan is the better bet, closer to the Copperhead, and decent performance. Also people who have reviewed the Taipan say that the new build construction/quality is quite good (goes for the Taipan and Ouroboros).

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On August 01 2012 03:37 MisterFred wrote:
Honestly, I don't think it'll matter. Normally I'm a huge proponent of ergonomic mice, ever since I bought my Mionix Naos 3200 and found out just how comfortable a pinky rest is. Most comfortable mouse I've ever owned.

But looking at the pictures of the Imperator, the ledges for ring & pinky fingers look more like notches in the side of the mouse than genuine ledges you can rest fingers on. So I'm guessing they're more for holding the mouse in a grip rather than for laying your fingers on them. So I don't really see the Imperator as an ergonomic mouse in the way my super-comfy Naos 3200 is, and I don't really see much benefit in the shape for the Taipan vs Imperator question. Although looking at the pictures, this likely also means that all the people above suggesting than the Imperator will be harder to pick up to readjust because it's ergonomic are dead wrong.

Between the two, I'd suggest the Taipan, purely for the reason that it weighs slightly less. But honestly, both look rather unappealing to me, and functionally they'll be pretty identical. Demicore above implies in his last sentence that there's some sort of 'performance' criteria to be looked at. There isn't. He's right that there's pretty much no difference between the performance of most laser mice. For all intents and purposes the Taipan and the Imperator 2012 are the exact same mouse with a slightly different shell.

As for the tracking system issues you read about, the mice will perform identically. The "twin sensor" system is pretty much a marketing joke. The main sensor of both mice is an Avago 9818, which is pretty similar to any other Avago 9500 or 9800-based mice (Steelseries sensei, xai, Mionix Naos 5000, several other 'flagship' laser mice from other companies). The second sensor basically just reads what surface you're using to cover up some of the deficiencies the Avago 9500 and 9800 sensors have on various surfaces. Traditionally these laser sensors work better on hard surfaces rather than cloth, which causes some minor problems for them. That's the other tracking issue you might have heard of. All of the top end laser mice (Avago sensors) have a small amount of acceleration built in at the hardware level. This is actually the reason that Razer's earlier laser mice all used Phillips sensors rather than Avago, but it seems now they've bowed to Avago's superiority in other aspects. Also, Avago can give Razer those stupidly high DPI settings no reasonable person will ever, ever use but look good on a technical specification marketing bullet-point list.

Anyway, all that is probably more technical than you wanted. TL;DR, they're the same damn mouse. Get whichever shape looks better in the gallery pictures on the razer site. And don't assume the Razer lasers will be any better than the Razer optical mice.

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On August 02 2012 13:44 Demicore wrote:


Hm, Taipan has the Avago sensor you mentioned while the Imperator has the PTE actually, but thanks for the detailed answer anyway ;D

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