| Slider954 United States. July 31 2012 08:23. Posts 339 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:18 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:07 zefreak wrote:
On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:26 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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by Standards I didn't mean playing results. I meant personality wise. Kespa teams are not going to want a whiny BM team hopper with a bad reputation. 0% chance a Kespa team touches him. Also he is not 8th best in the world -.- yes he has proven he is a solid player by staying in Code S, but he is not top 8 in the world....
So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8. It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews.
Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea.
Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport.
Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell.
Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you.
I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to.
OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_>
Look we get that you don't understand how variance works or what a sample size is, but you are acting like a pompous ass and making a fool of yourself. You are the one that stupidly thinks that your placement in a single tournament is what ranks your skill, regardless of bracket luck or anything like that. Skill exists in poker as well, that doesn't mean that the winner of the main even is the best player in the world. You need a legitimate sample size to even begin to objectively figure that out, which you don't have. Subjective assessment has to play a large part in it, because a bo3 in starcraft might as well be 100 hands in poker, which is literally meaningless. People underestimate variance in starcraft (while some overestimate it). Winning 4 bo3's doesn't make you top 8 in the world, especially when you bomb out of every other tournament you enter (dreamhack, wcs, tsl4)
I'm saying that's how it works in every big sport I've watched or taken part of. The winner of the biggest tournament is considered the best and the champions until the next time it's concluded. Even when it's with 1 year intervals. I don't understand why starcraft skill should be assessed subjectively. I agree to disagree though.
Ask alot of american football fans if they consider the NY Giants (this past SuperBowl winner) the best team in football and they'll tell you no they arent. They are the champs yes but not the best. It can be 2 different things
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| Lovedoll Japan. July 31 2012 08:23. Posts 389 | Profile # |
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| Mandalor Germany. July 31 2012 08:23. Posts 2164 | Profile Blog # |
| Why are so many people expecting nani to join a korean team? That makes the absolute least amount of sense. Even Liquid would be more likely (and that would be veeeeery unlikely). Why would nani cancel his contract and join a team that pays him no salary whatsoever. And out of all the korean teams that you guys named, most picked StarTale? The team that he lives with already? Why would he want to do that? There is 0 benefit. |
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| Euronyme Sweden. July 31 2012 08:23. Posts 3780 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:20 Derrida wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:18 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 08:07 zefreak wrote:
On July 31 2012 08:02 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:52 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:48 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:43 Euronyme wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On July 31 2012 07:32 Euronyme wrote:
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So you have another metric but wins in the global starcraft league? You have a "good-o-meter" at home with your own top list? He's ro8 GSL so he's top 8.
It's such a pity SC2 is such a young sport that being bad at the game but good at doing interviews make teams more likely to pick you up than a player that's sick good at the game but bad at interviews.
Two decent runs in Code S doesn't make you a top 8 player.... Inca made it to the finals for fuck sake. And it's not that he is just bad at interviews... its his personality as a whole. He has a terrible reputation in Korea.
Top 8 = top 8. If you win the world championship in football, you're considered the best until the next championship. I don't see how starcraft is different. Take a look at Wayne Rooney when it comes to terrible PR. Imo conduct shouldn't matter as much as results and skill when it comes to sports. That's just what I think though. I'm sure there are tonnes of people who would prefer the American wrestling approach rather than a legitimate sport.
Starcraft is not football. and GSL isn't the only league(Though I agree it holds the most weight). In starcraft you can't just look at one or two tournies and proclaim someone is the best. That's fucked up. Not to mention his runs haven't even been THAT great. Apart from playing a couple of Protoss(Lol PvP) he managed to dodge most big names and lost to the ones he ran into... Again I think Naniwa is a good player. But he is not top 8 in the world. No chance in hell.
Football was an example. This holds true for every sport I've heard of. He's top 8 twice in a row. Please do tell me where you rank him and how you placed him there and what metric you use, as tournament results are completely irrelevant to you.
I never said Tournament results are completely useless. saying he mad top 8 means he is top 8 is like NFL commentators saying "Romo has the best stats in the league up until November = he is best quarterback in the league." You cannot just look solely at the results of one tournament*. Protoss players I think are better then Naniwa -MC, Seed, Genius, HerO, Alicia, Terran players - MVP, Byun, MKP Zerg players- DRG, Nestea, Symbol. Thats just thinking off the top of my head, I'm sure I could list more if I actually wanted to.
OK so you choose people arbitrarily based on what you subjectively like. That's nice. Maybe we should have a tournament, but instead of players playing games, we could just have a guy in the audience step up and tell who he thinks should win, and declare that guy the winner of the game game. That'd ensure that the "right guy" gets the win every time >_>
Look we get that you don't understand how variance works or what a sample size is, but you are acting like a pompous ass and making a fool of yourself. You are the one that stupidly thinks that your placement in a single tournament is what ranks your skill, regardless of bracket luck or anything like that. Skill exists in poker as well, that doesn't mean that the winner of the main even is the best player in the world. You need a legitimate sample size to even begin to objectively figure that out, which you don't have. Subjective assessment has to play a large part in it, because a bo3 in starcraft might as well be 100 hands in poker, which is literally meaningless. People underestimate variance in starcraft (while some overestimate it). Winning 4 bo3's doesn't make you top 8 in the world, especially when you bomb out of every other tournament you enter (dreamhack, wcs, tsl4)
I'm saying that's how it works in every big sport I've watched or taken part of. The winner of the biggest tournament is considered the best and the champions until the next time it's concluded. Even when it's with 1 year intervals. I don't understand why starcraft skill should be assessed subjectively. I agree to disagree though.
Your "biggest tournament" is a subjective category as well, so I would argue that your point is invalid 
Which tournament is bigger (more prestige and cash prize) than GSL?
I thought it was unanimous that GSL was the biggest tournament to win in SC2. Would you like to share with me what other tournament that's overshadowing GSL? |
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 dragonborn July 31 2012 08:23. Posts 3757 | Profile # |
im pretty sure Quantic can sign 2 Korean players with NaNiwa's salary :o
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| eXeElNino Wales. July 31 2012 08:23. Posts 51 | Profile # |
| Other than liquid I can not see a foreign team picking him up. |
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| Kamwah United Kingdom. July 31 2012 08:24. Posts 724 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:21 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:20 Kamwah wrote:
Naniwa is one of the best European players. He can take games/sets off of Koreans maybe not consistently but he can definitely challenge them.
And I don't even like the guy but that has nothing to do with his skill.
So people stop your arguing.
A forum is a place for discussion; an argument is a form of discussion.
A forum is a place for discussion in the correct thread.
Arguing about his skill which is completely opinion is not the topic of this thread.
An argument is also not a proper form of discussion. |
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| Valikyr Sweden. July 31 2012 08:24. Posts 2222 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:13 Lord_Maximus wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 06:29 Sandermatt wrote:
ROGNaniwa maybe? If ASUS helped him to get to dreamhack.
Maybe this problems and leaving the team is connected to his reasent slump. Leaving Quantic definitly is a bad decision.
And I agree with kruxey Quantic was the perfect team for him, they also try to develop their players personality wise.
Recent slump? He's not doing differently than he has in quite a while. Bombing out of foreign tournaments but doing pretty well in the GSL is not being in a slump, that's just the kind of player Naniwa is now.
It's more like: Beat code S protoss/terran but lose to european mid-tier zergs |
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| Liph United States. July 31 2012 08:25. Posts 151 | Profile # |
Who would want this scumbag poisoning their team?
User was temp banned for this post. |
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| Tppz! Germany. July 31 2012 08:25. Posts 1305 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:20 Kamwah wrote:
Naniwa is one of the best European players. He can take games/sets off of Koreans maybe not consistently but he can definitely challenge them.
And I don't even like the guy but that has nothing to do with his skill.
So people stop your arguing.
The thing is:
you cant just buy good players. you need to advertise them. you cant do that with naniwa. you will always have problems with him and your sponsors wont be amused about his behaviour.
maye that wasnt what you were talking about.
its not:
eg, liquid, any korean team, mym, mtw, empire, dignitas, type, aTn, ESC, quantic, fnatic, etc.
what team he could join:
root (doesnt have the money but they are "bad mannered" like him.
i was going to say complexity but he left that team as well. i dont see any team wanting him right now.
maybe he makes a team with major... but i dont think major likes him either |
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| Brett Australia. July 31 2012 08:27. Posts 2929 | Profile Blog # |
| Hmmm, interesting.. I thought Quantic was the team that fit him the best. It must surely be a swap to a korean team, otherwise, what is the point? |
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| Gool Argentina. July 31 2012 08:28. Posts 172 | Profile # |
| Who cares about advertising, only thing that matters is skill... |
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| Dexington Canada. July 31 2012 08:28. Posts 5867 | Profile Blog # |
On July 31 2012 08:24 Kamwah wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:21 Dexington wrote:
On July 31 2012 08:20 Kamwah wrote:
Naniwa is one of the best European players. He can take games/sets off of Koreans maybe not consistently but he can definitely challenge them.
And I don't even like the guy but that has nothing to do with his skill.
So people stop your arguing.
A forum is a place for discussion; an argument is a form of discussion.
A forum is a place for discussion in the correct thread. Arguing about his skill which is completely opinion is not the topic of this thread. An argument is also not a proper form of discussion.
An argument is absolutely a proper form of discussion. A debate is an argument, people trying to prove their point, discussing, in detail, their points in order to try to sway others. |
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| Enzymatic Canada. July 31 2012 08:28. Posts 853 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:21 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:20 Kamwah wrote:
Naniwa is one of the best European players. He can take games/sets off of Koreans maybe not consistently but he can definitely challenge them.
And I don't even like the guy but that has nothing to do with his skill.
So people stop your arguing.
A forum is a place for discussion; an argument is a form of discussion.
When you're basing your arguments off of just hating someones personality.. That is not discussion.. That's just dumb.
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| dignitasNewmaN Sweden. July 31 2012 08:29. Posts 137 | Profile # |
| People change, not sure why people argue that he won't join a team he has already played for. |
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| justinpal United States. July 31 2012 08:29. Posts 3233 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:28 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 08:24 Kamwah wrote:
On July 31 2012 08:21 Dexington wrote:
On July 31 2012 08:20 Kamwah wrote:
Naniwa is one of the best European players. He can take games/sets off of Koreans maybe not consistently but he can definitely challenge them.
And I don't even like the guy but that has nothing to do with his skill.
So people stop your arguing.
A forum is a place for discussion; an argument is a form of discussion.
A forum is a place for discussion in the correct thread. Arguing about his skill which is completely opinion is not the topic of this thread. An argument is also not a proper form of discussion.
An argument is absolutely a proper form of discussion. A debate is an argument, people trying to prove their point, discussing, in detail, their points in order to try to sway others.
He can't reply to you otherwise he would not be engaging in a "proper form of discussion."
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| QxGRockEr United States. July 31 2012 08:29. Posts 187 | Profile # |
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| rhs408 United States. July 31 2012 08:30. Posts 684 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:25 Liph wrote:
Who would want this scumbag poisoning their team?
I think EG is the only team out there that has both the $$$ that Naniwa is looking for (and that Naniwa probably thinks he is entitled to at this point) and the willingness to work with an attitude such as Nani's.
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| Slider954 United States. July 31 2012 08:30. Posts 339 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:29 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
People change, not sure why people argue that he won't join a team he has already played for.
Oh boy, let my grab my popcorn and drink and watch the fecal matter get tangible!! |
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| ApoNow Luxembourg. July 31 2012 08:30. Posts 96 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 08:15 Derrida wrote:IMO the TL's interview with SortOf following yesterday's Naniwa-Sortof series is pretty informative about Naniwa's current PvZ
Would you be so kind to share the link to said interview? |
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