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| ravemir Portugal. August 05 2012 08:21. Posts 595 | Profile # |
I honestly hoped for a perfect run for Fantasy, and thought it was possible. Ended up almost being the polar opposite, but I hope he isn't too affected by the loss, and hope he transitions well into SC2.
As for the Jang, congrats! |
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| oGoZenob France. August 05 2012 08:31. Posts 387 | Profile # |
On August 04 2012 22:54 Omri wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ja4Ov.png) Thats how it ends...  This game was a big part of my life so I want to say goodbye to Starcraft Brood War and OGN StarLeague, and Thank you.
this is the saddest picture i've ever seen |
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| Probe1 United States. August 05 2012 08:33. Posts 16445 | Profile Blog # |
| I woke up and brood war was gone |
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| Release United States. August 05 2012 08:34. Posts 3972 | Profile Blog # |
This final was actually quite bad tbh:
+ Show Spoiler +Jangbi: 12nex - Fantasy: what can you do? Jangbi: Standard - Fantasy: Ok - Jangbi: I need to cheese next game Fantasy: 14CC, doesn't account for zealot, shit... Jangbi: 10/15 w/o expand - Fantasy: No ebay, no academy, no vultures w/mines. This final, for Jangbi, was like a pizza. I'll have it with cheese.  I'll do without some cheese Needs cheese Definitely needs cheese Last edit: 2012-08-05 08:37:38 |
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| o[twist] United States. August 05 2012 08:37. Posts 4903 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 08:34 Release wrote:This final was actually quite bad tbh: + Show Spoiler +
Jangbi: 12nex - Fantasy: what can you do?
Jangbi: Standard - Fantasy: Ok - Jangbi: I need to cheese next game
Fantasy: 14CC, doesn't account for zealot, shit...
Jangbi: 10/15 w/o expand - Fantasy: No ebay, no academy, no vultures w/mines.
uhh, this is insanely inaccurate. i don't know anything about starcraft and it still seems to me that you hardly watched the games.
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the first game was notable for featuring carriers which you almost never see anymore. jangbi also did some good drop defense.
the second game jangbi did actually cheese. his dark templars failed to do any damage because fantasy had a ton of detection. did you not notice them? that was why he was behind the whole game.
the third game involved a bulldog from a midmap robo bay.
the fourth game once again involved dark templar and this time fantasy had no detection.
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| RHoudini Belgium. August 05 2012 08:38. Posts 1320 | Profile # |
Just watched the VODs, slightly disappointing finals after last season's thriller.
The most creative player won, for sure.
I really hope both finalists will shine in SC2 as well. |
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| Release United States. August 05 2012 08:43. Posts 3972 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2012 08:37 o[twist] wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:34 Release wrote:This final was actually quite bad tbh: + Show Spoiler +
Jangbi: 12nex - Fantasy: what can you do?
Jangbi: Standard - Fantasy: Ok - Jangbi: I need to cheese next game
Fantasy: 14CC, doesn't account for zealot, shit...
Jangbi: 10/15 w/o expand - Fantasy: No ebay, no academy, no vultures w/mines.
uhh, this is insanely inaccurate. i don't know anything about starcraft and it still seems to me that you hardly watched the games. + Show Spoiler +
the first game was notable for featuring carriers which you almost never see anymore. jangbi also did some good drop defense.
the second game jangbi did actually cheese. his dark templars failed to do any damage because fantasy had a ton of detection. did you not notice them? that was why he was behind the whole game.
the third game involved a bulldog from a midmap robo bay.
the fourth game once again involved dark templar and this time fantasy had no detection.
+ Show Spoiler +12 nex completely unpunished? That's the reason he was able to defend the harass; he had goons to spare, resources to get slightly earlier tech. He won the game when he defended the harass, and went carriers for the hell of it. He would have won either way. Game 1 went pretty much exactly how Game 5 of the Batoo OSL finals went. One thing led to another and everything fails by a few seconds/units.
Second game was standard enough. people open reavers and lose those all the time. Jangbi was behind, i'll give you that.
Third game: did you not catch fantasy doing a 14CC near the nat, then having to float it all the way to his min only? Then he lost a ton of SCVs while trying to repair a supply depot because his bunker was on the inside due to 1 zealot that made it's way to the nat.
Fantasy scouted Jangbi, mind you. he got the SCV in, saw 2 gates and no expansion at the nat. What was he thinking? A hidden base somewhere? Last edit: 2012-08-05 09:02:25 |
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| Anomarad Canada. August 05 2012 08:43. Posts 535 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 08:14 o[twist] wrote:
it's hard to believe when you can get a 363-page thread of people who have woken up or stayed up to watch a game played across the world, when you can fill a stadium with people chanting the players' names, etc. you still don't have enough to keep the game going
I wonder if some major organization in Korea tried to start a league if Blizzard would even allow it. Probably would shut them down or incorporate fees to make them give up.
Anyway! The games were decent enough but the fans and legendary players made this finals a great one. |
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| Alethios New Zealand. August 05 2012 08:50. Posts 2724 | Profile Blog # |
Ah. So that's that.
RIP BW. It's been one hell of ride. |
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| sapht Sweden. August 05 2012 08:55. Posts 141 | Profile Blog # |
There was the pre-game confrontation, and I saw Fantasy hands on his back, biting his lip and Jangbi smiling, standing steady on his feet, lightly gesturing. That almost broke my heart and instantly convinced me Jangbis was going into this with a severe mental advantage. I wasn't sure how Fantasy could lose, but I wasn't sure how he could win either. 100% against protoss evidently doesn't mean 100%.
I had really hoped for Fantasy to win and didn't feel Jangbi deserved this win as much as he deserved to win the last OSL. Still, evened up over the showmatch, seeing Grr... and Elky looking a decade displaced, Tasteless and Artosis snickering, Boxer and Yellow dancing, Jaedong smiling, a raving Kim Carrier, it was a worthy end. And this day has seen me crying 10 times over. |
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| gh0stsquall United States. August 05 2012 08:59. Posts 238 | Profile # |
| Does anyone have that little clip from last night with Let it Be playing? Or anyway I can watch it on the regular? |
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| strongwind United States. August 05 2012 08:59. Posts 739 | Profile # |
Just finished reading through this entire thread, watched all the games and read the winner's interview. Didn't want to post anything in fear of jinxing the JangBang, but man, I'm so so glad he pulled through. What an epic end to a glorious run for SC:BW. It feels so fitting for it to end with a protoss, especially a player like JangBi, who battled through agonizing losses earlier in his career but worked hard and fought on to eventually become one of the greatest protosses ever. En Taro Adun, Executor JangBi! En Taro Adun, SC:BW! For Aiur!!
Thanks to everyone on TL for all their hard work over the years. You've truly made brood war an exciting and accessible esport for the rest of us. The past 12 years have been something that I, for one, will NEVER FORGET!!!!! :D |
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| o[twist] United States. August 05 2012 09:16. Posts 4903 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 08:43 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:37 o[twist] wrote:
On August 05 2012 08:34 Release wrote:This final was actually quite bad tbh: + Show Spoiler +
Jangbi: 12nex - Fantasy: what can you do?
Jangbi: Standard - Fantasy: Ok - Jangbi: I need to cheese next game
Fantasy: 14CC, doesn't account for zealot, shit...
Jangbi: 10/15 w/o expand - Fantasy: No ebay, no academy, no vultures w/mines.
uhh, this is insanely inaccurate. i don't know anything about starcraft and it still seems to me that you hardly watched the games. + Show Spoiler +
the first game was notable for featuring carriers which you almost never see anymore. jangbi also did some good drop defense.
the second game jangbi did actually cheese. his dark templars failed to do any damage because fantasy had a ton of detection. did you not notice them? that was why he was behind the whole game.
the third game involved a bulldog from a midmap robo bay.
the fourth game once again involved dark templar and this time fantasy had no detection.
12 nex completely unpunished? That's the reason he was able to defend the harass; he had goons to spare, resources to get slightly earlier tech. He won the game when he defended the harass, and went carriers for the hell of it. He would have won either way. Game 1 went pretty much exactly how Game 5 of the Batoo OSL finals went. One thing led to another and everything fails by a few seconds/units.
Second game was standard enough. people open reavers and lose those all the time. Jangbi was behind, i'll give you that.
Third game: did you not catch fantasy doing a 14CC near the nat, then having to float it all the way to his min only? Then he lost a ton of SCVs while trying to repair a supply depot because his bunker was on the inside due to 1 zealot that made it's way to the nat.
Fantasy scouted Jangbi, mind you. he got the SCV in, saw 2 gates and no expansion at the nat. What was he thinking? A hidden base somewhere?
all that you're saying is that there were reasons for the things that happened to happen. there will always be reasons. the final isn't good or bad based on those reasons but based on how skillfully the players deal with the situations that do emerge and how entertaining the games are in some difficult-to-define sense. + Show Spoiler +for me the second game even though jangbi was behind and sure to lose almost the entire time was really, really exciting because the arbiter play kept me on the edge of my seat. |
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| Niflheim United States. August 05 2012 09:25. Posts 235 | Profile # |
| Are there any english vods available atm? I can't follow BW very well without commentary.. |
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| De4ngus United States. August 05 2012 09:30. Posts 4971 | Profile Blog # | |
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| MapleLeafSirup Germany. August 05 2012 09:34. Posts 616 | Profile Blog # |
I've been playing BW since 1999 and following the proscene since 2001.
I am sad that this era of my life ended with today's matches. But this was a worthy end. This whole starleague was worth being an OSL that will be remembered among those other famous OSLs where heroes were born and heroes have fallen.
Ironically, the last champion - the last dominating player - was a protoss. After all these years with dominant terrans, after all these years with a plenitude of zergs, after all these years where the protoss race was struggling and hardly being represented - it is a protoss who ends this story. But this is what the BW history is known for, right? It created a history that contained a lot of suprises... nobody would have thought that Jangbi (or that any protoss) could mark the end with two consecutive OSL wins. But he did it and that is what we will remember until the very end of our lifes.
Goodbye BroodWar |
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| Torpedo.Vegas United States. August 05 2012 09:58. Posts 1842 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2012 08:43 Anomarad wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:14 o[twist] wrote:
it's hard to believe when you can get a 363-page thread of people who have woken up or stayed up to watch a game played across the world, when you can fill a stadium with people chanting the players' names, etc. you still don't have enough to keep the game going
I wonder if some major organization in Korea tried to start a league if Blizzard would even allow it. Probably would shut them down or incorporate fees to make them give up. Anyway! The games were decent enough but the fans and legendary players made this finals a great one.
I don't think Blizz would care if you started a league. They don't charge SC2 leagues until payout is about 5k USD I believe. If whatever tourney playing whatever blizz game takes off, they will likely be contacted to pay Blizz a percentage for the game they made being a critical factor in tournaments success. Also, it could be a factor that this was advertised as the last OSL that the crowd was exceptionally awesome. |
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| wo1fwood United States. August 05 2012 10:01. Posts 2248 | Profile Blog # |
In honor of the last BW winner + Show Spoiler +I'm going to wear JangBI's team icon for the rest of August. Mad respect to those ballin nerds. |
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| oBlade Korea (South). August 05 2012 10:16. Posts 2157 | Profile Blog # |
On August 05 2012 08:43 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:37 o[twist] wrote:
On August 05 2012 08:34 Release wrote:This final was actually quite bad tbh: + Show Spoiler +
Jangbi: 12nex - Fantasy: what can you do?
Jangbi: Standard - Fantasy: Ok - Jangbi: I need to cheese next game
Fantasy: 14CC, doesn't account for zealot, shit...
Jangbi: 10/15 w/o expand - Fantasy: No ebay, no academy, no vultures w/mines.
uhh, this is insanely inaccurate. i don't know anything about starcraft and it still seems to me that you hardly watched the games. + Show Spoiler +
the first game was notable for featuring carriers which you almost never see anymore. jangbi also did some good drop defense.
the second game jangbi did actually cheese. his dark templars failed to do any damage because fantasy had a ton of detection. did you not notice them? that was why he was behind the whole game.
the third game involved a bulldog from a midmap robo bay.
the fourth game once again involved dark templar and this time fantasy had no detection.
12 nex completely unpunished? That's the reason he was able to defend the harass; he had goons to spare, resources to get slightly earlier tech. He won the game when he defended the harass, and went carriers for the hell of it. He would have won either way. Game 1 went pretty much exactly how Game 5 of the Batoo OSL finals went. One thing led to another and everything fails by a few seconds/units.
Fantasy was rax-CC that game. He didn't have to push Jangbi's third at the expense of his natural, which he was trying to defend with goliaths against goons.
Third game: did you not catch fantasy doing a 14CC near the nat, then having to float it all the way to his min only? Then he lost a ton of SCVs while trying to repair a supply depot because his bunker was on the inside due to 1 zealot that made it's way to the nat.
He didn't "have to float it all the way." I'm sure he felt perfectly comfortable 14ccing without taking a build order loss and using his min only instead. That's the beauty of command centers. You can float them wherever the fuck you want. The zealot, particularly with Jangbi, is a tell for reaver openings. He didn't want or need to overextend himself to his natural off a 14cc when he could just use the min only behind a wall. For all we know he wanted to turn that game into a 2-1 push.
Fantasy scouted Jangbi, mind you. he got the SCV in, saw 2 gates and no expansion at the nat. What was he thinking? A hidden base somewhere?
He saw two gates and a spinning cyber core (which was actually researching range, not fake range) then his SCV died. That tells him as much as 2-gate goons. By the time he scouted the nat with a vulture, he saw a probe in the position to build a nexus. His first mines on high ground ridges were the result of a correct analysis that mines need to forward if you want to contest map control vs goons. But because of this, his natural was completely bare and he was switching to tank production. In principle, FD has no problem defending DTs, but you have to execute it. Add the goon range and pressure on his bunker, he probably thought he was about to be attacked by a goon/reaver bust. |
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