Just wondering if anyone saw the boxing match between Japan and Azerbaijan? In the last minute of the match the Japanese fighter knocked down his opponent 5 times and landed around 6 to 10 strait head shots. He ended up loosing the fight. Could someone explain this to me? I know nothing about boxing, but this seems ridiculous.
If I'm not mistaken, Olympic boxing is scored by judges and scores are given in each round. The Japanese fighter was probably weaker overall, and only showed dominance in the end.
Boxing officiating has been absolutely horrible these olympics and a lot of allegations of bribery and corruption have been around for a while (link - note this being posted Sept 2011). On top of that, the scoring system they use is shit and AIBA is going to try to get it changed to the 10-point system.
Funny enough, the supposed bribing country from the article I posted? Azerbaijan. Who got the rigged decision? Azerbaijan. Glad it got overturned.
Well if anyone has seen the Brazil vs India in the 82kg match something similar happened, the decisions were nonsense, but however they are humans,it was a close match, and the angle at which the see stuff might affect the results. But then damn...that was heart breaking, and the appeal was turned down.
On August 02 2012 09:01 lordofsoup wrote: Just wondering if anyone saw the boxing match between Japan and Azerbaijan? In the last minute of the match the Japanese fighter knocked down his opponent 5 times and landed around 6 to 10 strait head shots. He ended up loosing the fight. Could someone explain this to me? I know nothing about boxing, but this seems ridiculous.
The fight was absurd. What others were saying about the scoring is correct, its scored (in the olympics) via "landed punches"(knuckles first connected blow to head or chest with no deflection) which ends up being subjective as heck to the judges. From there they have a bizarre averaging system for the scores of the 5 judges.
But yes, the fight was completely absurd, the Azerbaijan fighter went down to obvious damage over and over and never got a count. Sure, the Japanese fighter was on the back foot for the first 2 rounds, but all three rounds count. (Or are supposed to when the ref isn't making blatantly wrong calls)
I hadn't heard that it got overturned, but good if it did. Sadly most of the Olympic boxing I've been seeing has been pretty silly, what with the corruption and terrible scoring system.
BW forever
sluggaslamoo Australia. August 02 2012 11:00. Posts 3495
It got overturned because "the referee should have given the Azerbaijani fighter ''at least'' three standing counts which would have resulted in the contest being stopped".
The refereeing was clearly biased apparently. The Japanese fighter was only allowed 8 seconds to stand on his first and only knockdown, but the Azerbaijan got knocked over 6 times, took over 10 seconds to stand and the referee even helped him fix his headgear to allow for more time for him to recover, apparently he could barely stand, I would have thought a referee would normally have called KO immediately. (all this is from reading, didn't get to watch the game )
So the olympics use a different way of scoring than how most boxing usually is judged? How is it usually scored?
I was watching some fights just now and it seems pretty cool, but it did seem like the wrong guy won (it was the India vs. USA match where the India guy won)
^^ decision has been overturned, was watching live and was totally surprised when the result came.
Edit: From what I've seen in the appeals it seems like you cant actually appeal against scoring for some reason.
In this case errol was given the win because of fouls committed by vikas(spitting out the guard on purpose to get a breather, and a holding foul). And in the case of satoshi the japanese boxer,the decision was overturned because of the other guy not getting a count from the referee, and not because of scores. This is also the reason why Sumt Sangwan did not get through because they appealed on scoring, the appeal was rejected.
Seems really weird, that you can only contest fouls as opposed to just contesting the score. Maybe it's because they feel cameras cant capture the same images as what you can see when you actually sit around ringside.
Last edit: 2012-08-04 11:59:06
Maenander Germany. August 07 2012 23:40. Posts 3761
Boxing should be expelled from the Olympics, it's not just that one scandal, it's the whole system. I was watching Ogogo (Great Britain) against Khytrov (Ukraine) and it was just disgusting how Ogogo won only bacause he was the home crowd favourite. Just get rid of it alltogether!
Kkxtrouble Brazil. August 09 2012 08:39. Posts 393
On August 07 2012 23:40 Maenander wrote: Boxing should be expelled from the Olympics, it's not just that one scandal, it's the whole system. I was watching Ogogo (Great Britain) against Khytrov (Ukraine) and it was just disgusting how Ogogo won only bacause he was the home crowd favourite. Just get rid of it alltogether!
I'm inclined to agree, I'm seeing way too many weird calls and scores in boxing, I've some weird scores in other sports but they seem to be exceptions, in boxing they are just too common.
I pledge myself to conquer all the foes who stand before the mighty gift bestowed in my unworthy hand
Just make it like before - live scoring, during the round. So you can see each point being given or not given. Then judges are much more exposed and could get penalized, if they don't do their job well.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
andrewlt United States. August 10 2012 04:41. Posts 3116
This is what the boxing chief guy said in a recent interview:
Quite expectedly, Wu defended the scoring system, which he claims is absolutely transparent. “We are using the system for the Olympic Games, so it is perfect. Otherwise, why would we use it? There is no way it can be manipulated. The referees are locked up in their lounge for the whole day. They are without phones, internet... there is no communication. They come to know which bout they are officiating only 10 minutes before it begins. Tell me, how can you manipulate? We have a zero-tolerance policy.” However, the Taiwanese president of boxing’s world governing body said there would be a review of the scoring system after the Olympics. “There will be a review; we do that after every major tournament. We will review the system and if the congress feels there is a need for a change, it will be done. It should benefit the boxers, in the end,” Wu said.
apparently there is nothing wrong with the scoring system :D
Edit: Just watched the match, the thai guy should have totally won that, he got totally robbed. Felt the chinese guy should've been warned earlier...waaaay earlier,he had been doing that from like the 1 first round,atleast thrice in the first two rounds.
Imo they need to either find a way to get scores to be measured without judges input or they need to stop letting the governing bodies be in control of the events. The boxing had been an absolute joke, badminton players get kicked out of the tournament for playing to win the tournament instead of individual matches while the Japanese football team intentionally drew to avoid travel, the GB cycling team falls on purpose because they had s bad start and get a reset, and competitors who stop trying out admit to using illegal moves don't get published in other sports.
Not to mention the retarded rule that screwed the south Korean girl out of the gold medal match in fencing.
If the IOC wants to maintain the integrity they need to set a standard and stock to it.
)
