1.5.0 - ground magix box increased?

Is it me, or ground units got bigger magic box now? Looks like Blizzard improved a bit unit formation saving, not that big like in SC1BW, but similar for smaller groups.

Previously those zerglings were able to clump into small ball, now they're saving formation (above - Z letter). Only when patroling, they're losing formation and starting spread around.

Last edit: 2012-08-02 19:53:08

MavercK Australia. August 02 2012 19:51. Posts 2048

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this is about the default size. i dont think it's changed.

the magic box in sc2 is the same size as sc1. sc2 camera is more zoomed out however.

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Chargelot August 02 2012 19:53. Posts 2274

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Looks like less deathball more death-spread-out-a-little-bit-and-kinda-maintain-the-same-shape to me.

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Existor Russian Federation. August 02 2012 19:54. Posts 3122

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On August 02 2012 19:51 MavercK wrote:
this is about the default size. i dont think it's changed.

the magic box in sc2 is the same size as sc1. sc2 camera is more zoomed out however.

No, it's smaller (remember threads about better unit moving with saving unit formation?), but now it's more noticeable in 1.5.0

dani` Netherlands. August 02 2012 19:54. Posts 2152

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So that's how Zorro taunts the opponent he just crushed in SC2, running a Z across his screen ^_^

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MavercK Australia. August 02 2012 19:54. Posts 2048

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On August 02 2012 19:54 Existor wrote:

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No, it's smaller (remember threads about better unit moving with saving unit formation?), but now it's more noticeable in 1.5.0

no... it's the same
relative to how many units you can fit in a magic box
relative to how big it is on screen? yea it's "smaller"

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emythrel United Kingdom. August 02 2012 19:55. Posts 2252

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there was something in patch notes about stopping medivacs from dropping units in to small spaces, maybe this was how they did it?

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Existor Russian Federation. August 02 2012 19:55. Posts 3122

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On August 02 2012 19:54 dani` wrote:
So that's how Zorro taunts the opponent he just crushed in SC2, running a Z across your screen ^_^

Laughted so much

no... it's the same
relative to how many units you can fit in a magic box
relative to how big it is on screen? yea it's "smaller"

Maybe

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Bommes Germany. August 02 2012 19:55. Posts 939

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It didn't change, same size as before.

Existor Russian Federation. August 02 2012 20:01. Posts 3122

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Looks like air magic box increased too A BIT

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Yonnua United Kingdom. August 02 2012 20:04. Posts 1034

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On August 02 2012 19:54 Existor wrote:

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No, it's smaller (remember threads about better unit moving with saving unit formation?), but now it's more noticeable in 1.5.0

IIRC that's because of the AI, not the magic box. In Broodwar, the AI wouldn't push friendly units aside and tried to get around them, even if they were also moving. In SC2 they just shove them aside which allows units to clump together. I think.

bhfberserk Canada. August 02 2012 20:17. Posts 229

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Is there a comparison photo of the old ground and air magic box?

Existor Russian Federation. August 02 2012 20:21. Posts 3122

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On August 02 2012 20:17 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a comparison photo of the old ground and air magic box?

No, don't have access to 1.4.4 patch

MrCash United States. August 02 2012 20:25. Posts 1498

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This looks larger.
One thing I can say for a fact is pre 1.5 the magic box size was 5 distance/units. So if you lay down a Base (CC/hatch) with build grind. All units within the edges of that build grid would maintain formation.
Try and see if it works beyond that size and it would confirm the OP.

Edit: Tested on NA, it is not larger than it was before, still 5 distance/units.
Edit2: Air formations (or at least mutas) are larger than 5 distance/units. Didn't test exactly how big, but at least 6 units apart will maintain formation. I didn't test this before 1.5, so I can't say if that's new or not.

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Existor Russian Federation. August 02 2012 20:30. Posts 3122

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On August 02 2012 20:25 MrCash wrote:
This looks larger.
One thing I can say for a fact is pre 1.5 the magic box size was 5 units. So if you lay down a Base (CC/hatch) with build grind. All units within the edges of that build grid would maintain formation.
Try and see if it works beyond that size and it would confirm the OP.

Edit: Tested on NA, it is not larger than it was before, still 5 units.

It's a bit bigger than CC

Imzoo August 02 2012 20:53. Posts 132

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An other nerf vs terran ahah, i hope it's just a bug like the rest.

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KirA_TheGreaT France. August 02 2012 20:57. Posts 162

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Pretty sure that patrol changed, now it's not only one straight blue line for a group of units, each units has its own patrol line, i noticed it while patrolling hellions for creep tumors.

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FeyFey Germany. August 02 2012 21:15. Posts 4695

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was that big before, even bigger if you know how. But it feels a bit easier to use now. (and not mess up the big formations with a miss click within the border). But Illusions can be nice if a helpful thing ends up being used more. So yes they got larger !
Wonder how patrol moves work out now, though i haven't used them to much.

Existor Russian Federation. August 02 2012 21:16. Posts 3122

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On August 02 2012 21:15 FeyFey wrote:
was that big before, even bigger if you know how. But it feels a bit easier to use now. (and not mess up the big formations with a miss click within the border). But Illusions can be nice if a helpful thing ends up being used more. So yes they got larger !
Wonder how patrol moves work out now, though i haven't used them to much.

Patrol works great with magic box now

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