| lolcanoe United States. August 06 2012 01:46. Posts 57 | Profile # |
I recall someone recently made a thread showing that the concussive shell upgrade allows zealots to recharge shield as they slow down while allowing the fresh ones to move up.
Since then, I've noticed that Taeja has been neglected the upgrade in several of his games in the recent ASUS ROG, where he is easily the best Tvper. I also saw a similar trend with MVP's playstyle (I'm forgetting the game) although the obs repeatedly circled the upgrade, seeming to indicate that it was a mistake.
For those who do not apply early marauder pressure - should we consider not utilizing the concussive shell upgrade at all? |
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| monk United States. August 06 2012 01:49. Posts 6836 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). August 06 2012 02:09. Posts 1090 | Profile # |
| I've noticed this too. The more I see it, the more I don't think it's a mistake cause it happens quite often in the games that I've seen. |
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| NewDawn Canada. August 06 2012 02:17. Posts 118 | Profile # |
| When I think about it, I hardly get the upgrade either. I used to get it with that 1Rax Rauder FE thing, but now I usually get Stim>Combat and then add Conc if I need it. While it does help with kiting, I feel that many Terrans prefer more marine based compositions, and holding up a tech lab with conc shells seems like a hindrance. Besides, conc takes no time to research (60 seconds), so adding it on later if you really need it isn't a worry. |
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| Iron_ United States. August 06 2012 02:17. Posts 319 | Profile # |
I would say that something like this being a mistake is very unlikely. They are almost certainly doing that on purpose.
I see what the OP is saying about allowing the fresh zealots to charge in while the hurt ones start to recharge. However, do you think that is worth doing if it also stops you from being able to retreat much easier by firing off a couple of volleys, or by chasing and killing a few extra units when you have an army advantage?
I would say this is a pro level only kind of thing, and anybody that is not a top 100 player in the world should go ahead and get concussive, but I would love to hear other opinions on this. |
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| Asmodeusx August 06 2012 02:33. Posts 282 | Profile Blog # |
| if you don't get enaugh marauders to prevent zealots from hitting you then it's pointless to get it, it's very good for drop play tho. |
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| Mayd Finland. August 06 2012 02:35. Posts 244 | Profile # |
| EDIT: WRONG THREAD LOL Last edit: 2012-08-06 02:35:56 |
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| Whitewing United States. August 06 2012 02:40. Posts 5729 | Profile # |
On the other hand, with concussive shells, any time you win an engagement you can pick off a lot of the retreating army which makes the 50/50 cost more than justified, and it makes it much easier to micro small engagements.
I've lost track of the amount of times I've seen stalkers running from marauders only to escape because he didn't get conc shells. Stalkers aren't cheap >_>.Last edit: 2012-08-06 02:41:38 |
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| thezanursic Slovenia. August 06 2012 02:49. Posts 2833 | Profile Blog # |
| To my knowledge it's intentional. Last edit: 2012-08-06 02:52:39 |
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| lorestarcraft United States. August 06 2012 03:01. Posts 664 | Profile # |
| As far as kiting goes. I guess stim kinda takes care of that, but I'm not sure how situational the benifits of not getting concussive are. |
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| IRL_Sinister Ireland. August 06 2012 03:02. Posts 598 | Profile Blog # |
| Pretty useless late game anyway. |
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| Vindicare605 United States. August 06 2012 03:15. Posts 6503 | Profile Blog # |
Even if its true that neglecting the upgrade helps to stop shield regen it has a ton of drawbacks some of which already have been mentioned here.
Concussive shells is key to Terran bio force's ability to kite Zealots in the first place, neglecting it makes kiting that much more difficult but if you're Taeja who has the ability to kite without it then only then does neglecting the upgrade serve any real purpose. |
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| Acritter August 06 2012 03:16. Posts 1562 | Profile # |
| It doesn't take that much MM to be able to kill the first line of Zealots in 1-2 shots, and it takes a fair amount of kiting time for Shields to start regenerating. It might be good to skip for the first few minutes of the game, but should definitely be done by the 10 minute mark at the very least. The slow effect is just so good in every other situation that it doesn't matter. |
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| BlackPanther United States. August 06 2012 03:20. Posts 451 | Profile # |
| It's a mistake imo. If you are going for marauders in your composition, slow allows you to catch enemy units out of position easily and slaughter them. Its a cheap 50-50 upgrade that is very fast to research and it helps a lot. I don't see why its intentional. |
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| StrikeNova Canada. August 06 2012 03:23. Posts 44 | Profile # |
| I think conc shells are still worth researching just so you can slow down surrounds and kite easier, the extra shield regeneration seems fairly insignifcant compared to the damage from zealots surrounding your bio ball. |
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 Kamwah United Kingdom. August 06 2012 03:23. Posts 724 | Profile # |
Seems like a very good idea.
It should be something that you can toggle on/off like Charge. It'd make for even better Terran micro! |
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| CampinSam United States. August 06 2012 03:34. Posts 374 | Profile Blog # |
As someone who barely watches any starcraft anymore, I'll just use the old logic.
Considering Taeja's point in his career, I very much doubt this is a mistake, and is very intentional. In fact, I'd imagine it is because of a specific build order, that utilizes that 50/50 well, or just uses some other timing.
But I might just be full of shit, considering I haven't seen a game where anyone does this. |
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| Cele Germany. August 06 2012 03:36. Posts 945 | Profile # |
| i guess the increased shield regeneration isnt as worthwile as better kiting. But i think it makes sense at the top level to save the ressources at pro level, when you play marine heavy style anyway. As Marinestyle has proven to be more effective in most cases. Last edit: 2012-08-06 03:37:30 |
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| 99.9999% sure its a mistake. |
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| Picklebread August 06 2012 03:47. Posts 790 | Profile # |
| It is a mistake i think. The zealots that get concussived tend to die off to the kiting anyway and the concussive is just too good/cheap NOT to get. |
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