[M] Zero Dark Thirty

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On October 17 2012 13:55 Ben... wrote:
Looks like a kinda middling movie, though those aren't my type of movie.

I thought this thread was actually about the song of the same name off the new Aesop Rock album.

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On October 18 2012 01:21 ThomasjServo wrote:
I am not offended by movies like these, so much as I just think they are done in poor taste. Remember Flight 93? I am not sure I can justify precisely why I think this about the story of killing a terrorist, but something feels off about the subject.

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On December 10 2012 07:19 Sub40APM wrote:
Not really sure I enjoy movies that (a) endorse torture and (b) are editing in such a way as to highlight the 'revenge' taking aspect of the hunt for bin laden.

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On December 10 2012 07:51 TheExile19 wrote:
a) films can have more nuanced handling of subjects besides "hurrr torture good!" and "hurr torture bad!". like, for instance, the viewpoint that moral assignations of right and wrong pale in importance to getting results and, more on-topic, representing the idea of torture as something the administration believed in at the time regardless of whether it ultimately lead to the capture of bin laden.

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On October 17 2012 13:59 lodeet wrote:



new aesop rock album you say.

imma peep that.

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On December 10 2012 08:10 acker wrote:

That is the "hurrr torture good" viewpoint you just derided. Almost nobody who thinks "hurrrr torture good" thinks it so because they get off by waterboarding people, they think it acceptable because of its results.

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"Hurr durr" is the sound of laughter coming from someone with half a brain.
Mostly it is used to point out when someone has made an idiotic claim, though, surprisingly, idiot males will attempt to make thier laugh as deep as possible to make them sound more manly, when all it really does is make them sound like idiots.

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On December 10 2012 08:10 acker wrote:

That is a "hurrr torture good" viewpoint. Almost nobody who thinks "hurrrr torture good" thinks it so because they get off by waterboarding people, they think it because of its results.

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On December 10 2012 08:20 TheExile19 wrote:


basically you're right, I didn't really finish that thought to include the idea of context, like whether within the narrative of the film waterboarding actually led to the subject telling the truth instead of saying whatever to make the torture stop and interpreting from there. if the film is anything like the hurt locker though, I really think the emphasis would be on realism and reflection on what the US and the military's prevailing thoughts were at the time, which would undoubtedly include reasoning like what I gave. it's morally grey, to be sure, but it's not an outright endorsement as if every historically realistic war film was a right-wing propaganda or something.

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