 teaCher Canada. August 10 2012 00:16. Posts 520 | Profile # |
So im trying to build a whole new rig, my last pc was a dual core with a GTX460, but i sold the whole thing on craigslist for about the same amount i built it for 2 years ago.
I've been interested in this barebone bundle from tiger direct.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3466047&CatId=332
After reading a couple reviews and watching some reviews on youtube, my question is will this CPU ( AMD Phenom II x6 1045T) be flawless for the typical sc2 gamer?
I would like to play on medium settings while streaming.
My internet was upgraded, and i was able to stream on my dual core without latency problems, the main issue was the dual core.
So would i bet able to play at medium settings while streaming without any issues/hiccups?
And will the stock fan/heatsink it comes with suffice? Should I buy a coolermaster 30$ heatsink instead?
What would be a good GPU to get for this barebone kit?
It comes with a 460W PSU, is that clearly not enough to stream and play sc2 at the same time?
All comments and opinions will help tremendously on making this decision.
Thanks for your help TL! |
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| LJ August 10 2012 00:52. Posts 203 | Profile # |
I would buy intel, it does much better in starcraft for a start, even the pentiums match or surpass the performance of the Phenom II in game. But any CPU will do fine on medium settings withn the right graphics card, 460W is plenty for a PSU IF it is a decent make but as this one comes free with the bundle it is probably a cheapo one that cannot output anything close to 400W.
The extra cores on that CPU would be very useful for streaming though and the graphics card pretty much depends how much you can spend.
I am guessing a Core i5 is out of budget but if it's not I would go that way instead |
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| MisterFred United States. August 10 2012 01:31. Posts 1817 | Profile # |
AMD = no for SC2. SC2 requires the best possible per-core performance, particularly for team games. AMD offers more cores with lower per-core performance. It's a clear decision to go Intel.
For streaming, that's a bit harder. You can do decently with a Phenom II x6 if you overclock it and if you stick to 1v1s. But you're still probably better off going for Intel chip, which one depending on budget.
P.S. That bundle is terrible. It may well blow up or catch on fire if you tried to overclock, which is absolutely necessary to even attempt streaming SC2 on a Phenom II.
Your best bet is to go to the Computer Build Resource Thread, fill out the questionnaire in the OP, and ask for advice there.Last edit: 2012-08-10 01:33:05 |
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| teaCher Canada. August 10 2012 03:09. Posts 520 | Profile # |
Why is AMD that bad for sc2  |
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| skyR Canada. August 10 2012 03:14. Posts 11177 | Profile # |
Are you from Canada as your profile says or are you from the states because you're using tigerdirect...?
It was already explained to you why AMD sucks... Since the majority (all) games only use two to four cores, you want a processor with high performance cores (Intel)... you don't want a bunch of shitty cores (AMD) that won't get utilized. |
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| bsdaemon August 10 2012 03:17. Posts 386 | Profile # |
| AMD isn't really bad, it's just that intel's sandybridge/ivybridge offers more bang for the buck. it would probably be better if you would post your budget so people could suggest more options for you. |
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| jacosajh August 10 2012 03:22. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
No AMD really is bad, especially for SC2.
No matter how you slice the pie, you are getting much less performance for the money. It used to be somewhat justifiable since they were cheaper. But now, Intel has a comparable (and much more consumer-tuned) CPU for just about every budget -- even ones where FX tries to compete it.
Especially if you are building new, there is virtually almost no reason these days to get an AMD cpu.Last edit: 2012-08-10 03:24:12 |
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| teaCher Canada. August 10 2012 03:22. Posts 520 | Profile # |
On August 10 2012 03:17 bsdaemon wrote:
AMD isn't really bad, it's just that intel's sandybridge/ivybridge offers more bang for the buck. it would probably be better if you would post your budget so people could suggest more options for you.
600, but thats everything all together (monitor too)
I live in TexasLast edit: 2012-08-10 03:22:58 |
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| jacosajh August 10 2012 03:26. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
| $600, especially including a monitor, is a little tight to be streaming on. You'll have to make a choice if your own gameplay/visuals are important enough to sacrifice in order to stream (i.e. getting crappier video card/CPU). If not, either increase your budget slightly or don't try to stream. |
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| teaCher Canada. August 10 2012 03:38. Posts 520 | Profile # |
| Im perfectly fine with a 480p stream thats clear and lag free while im playing, even a clear 320 with medium settings in game, no late game lag would be fine with me. |
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| FlyingToilet United States. August 10 2012 04:51. Posts 731 | Profile # |
| Ya see the problem is the 1045t phenom II six core is kinda bad for overclocking but its eh for streaming, it could be way better but it suits me well because it can actually stream my max resolution at like 20 fps so its fine for sc2... don't go cheap on the processor terrible idea spend a decent 200 on a intel, and then save up separately for the gpu its worth it! |
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| teaCher Canada. August 10 2012 08:02. Posts 520 | Profile # |
but i've been watching a lot of youtube videos, guys OCing it to 3.4ghz at stock voltage. Would getting it to 3.4 make it worth it?
That is what we are arguing right? that the stock 2.8ghz is clearly not enough to stream and play on Medium smoothly?
So 3.4ghz would resolve that issue? or is there something else about AMD that sucks? |
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| SoulWager United States. August 10 2012 10:16. Posts 454 | Profile # |
| If you want to stream on that budget, you're going to have a bad time. I suggest you start with a 3570k and integrated graphics, then add a good gpu when you can afford it. |
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 Womwomwom August 10 2012 10:54. Posts 5514 | Profile Blog # |
Tell me what that benchmark tells me? In what way is it relevant in the real world?
I imagine it's ok at streaming but shit is going to suck whenever you just want to play a gameLast edit: 2012-08-10 10:56:21 |
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| jacosajh August 10 2012 22:11. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
A lot of people here aren't going to be patient about the whole "is AMD worth it thing" because it's already been shown time and time again. I'm not going to say that if you get a 1045T it's not going to be AT ALL playable, but you can definitely spend your money much more efficiently. Comparing clock-for-clock across different CPUs doesn't make much sense; and overclocking isn't even that important anymore with Intel's stuff.
Since you're all about benchmarks, just look at 3.2Ghz Phenom II X2 555 vs 2.6Ghz Intel G620:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/120?vs=406
The design on even last generation Intel's are so far ahead, they will beat AMD's crap despite lower clocks, and use less power too. |
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| jacosajh August 10 2012 22:13. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
Also, as skyR said, tigerdirect sucks for USA. Avoid it for computer parts.
What SoulWagner said may have some wisdom in it. I haven't kept up with that kind of stuff for a while, but I'm imaging the new IGPs can play decently on lower resolutions, while the 3570k can stream like a beast.Last edit: 2012-08-10 22:14:31 |
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| EnE August 10 2012 22:36. Posts 417 | Profile Blog # |
On August 10 2012 08:02 teaCher wrote:
but i've been watching a lot of youtube videos, guys OCing it to 3.4ghz at stock voltage. Would getting it to 3.4 make it worth it?
That is what we are arguing right? that the stock 2.8ghz is clearly not enough to stream and play on Medium smoothly?
So 3.4ghz would resolve that issue? or is there something else about AMD that sucks?
Just thought I'd weigh in and say that I'm using an AMD Phenom II x6 2.6 ghz overclocked to 3.4 Ghz and I'm not having any problems streaming and playing on Ultra.Last edit: 2012-08-10 22:39:07 |
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| jacosajh August 10 2012 22:41. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
"not having problems" is relative as hell. My brother was playing on IGP for the longest time because he didn't know he had to plug his monitor into the actual dGPU. He also didn't have "any problems" until he compared it to what it was supposed to be. He only found out about this because I was watching and inquired as to why it was so bad.
Saying you are streaming without specs is also very relative. There is a very big difference between streaming even at 720p and 1080p. |
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| Maxamix Canada. August 10 2012 23:15. Posts 165 | Profile # |
On August 10 2012 22:36 EnE wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 08:02 teaCher wrote:
but i've been watching a lot of youtube videos, guys OCing it to 3.4ghz at stock voltage. Would getting it to 3.4 make it worth it?
That is what we are arguing right? that the stock 2.8ghz is clearly not enough to stream and play on Medium smoothly?
So 3.4ghz would resolve that issue? or is there something else about AMD that sucks?
Just thought I'd weigh in and say that I'm using an AMD Phenom II x6 2.6 ghz overclocked to 3.4 Ghz and I'm not having any problems streaming and playing on Ultra.
Same here, i am using a AMD Phenom II X4 @ 3.3Ghz, EVGA 550 TI 1gb DDR5, windows 7 ultimate edition and 8 gigs of ram and i can run everything on ultras without any issue(FPS is steady at 35+ during 200/200 super clash). I can also stream with Xsplit but due to my upload speed (+- 1mb/sec for the household...) i can't really afford HD (that + broadband limitation... yeah... Quebec sucks for that) |
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