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On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight ##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote: On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back. Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. | ||
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On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote: Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Take In Sunlight ##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote: On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back. Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. | ||
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On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning. On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote: I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote: On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote: On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote: On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote: I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier. One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up. On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote: On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote: On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote: Also to go one step further I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that. On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? | ||
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If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? On August 21 2012 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: @Wiggles I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken. Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE | ||
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I actually mentioned I had my eyes on you before the cases was posted so this didn't come out of nowhere. Also i pointed out your change of stance on the Drazerk case is stupid. Is that not new? But I get it. Discredit the 3rd voter and call it a wagon. Why not find a better candidate instead? (And don't say grush!) (And if I wanted to hide and blend I'm doing a shitty job.) | ||
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I might not have made I own "from the ground up case" but I have extended the cases on allinson and you. I would call that scumhunting. | ||
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See if you actually meant the things you write you would have brought this up: On August 21 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not terrible reasoning at all BC. Tell me what you think about Bumatlarge, BC...specifically his insistence that what I'm doing right now is anti-town, yet his reluctance to vote me. Where you actually agree with BC on his points why he thinks I'm scum. But you didn't. Because deep down you didn't agree with BC because you knew he was wrong and thus you forgot you found me scummy (and why). My vote on you stands. | ||
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And you stopped defending yourself by now. All you do now are dismissing things you don't like. I'll list up MY reasons for you being scum:
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I think imallinson is scum but the case so far only have 2 weak points. Him being meek and apologetic (and he weren't in earlier games) and him not posting when voted upon. Both can be explained with other things then him being scum. The best point is the first with the extentions WBG made that VE tried to derail the allinson case - but that is only relevant when we know the allignment of either of them. I wouldn't mind seeing him dead but I'd rather see VE dead. | ||
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On August 21 2012 22:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote: Hey VE!? Why all of a sudden do you think people should vote me? You have made no mention of this earlier... Perfect time to take pressure off of yourself by adding another subject for scrutiny. A subject with already some focus from BC. If you find me scummy post why! Don't throw a ball up in the air for some townie to catch and throw. Thats what scummy people do... Same thing can be said about your Drazerk turn around. S&B added nothing new to the case but now its a good case whereas before is was bad? On August 21 2012 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote: @Wiggles I don't like where your vote is right now. I think it would be more useful elsewhere. Like Drazerk or Dirkzor. I can agree that the grush wagon isn't going anywhere, but I DISAGREE that my reasoning is a "cop-out" or that what I'm doing is "anti-town". I get that you think I don't care about finding scum, but I think you'll find that you're mistaken. Haha. Its the biggest cop-out ever. And I don't want to wait for you to show that you want to find scum. I want you to try and find scum now. And you haven't. Not just a little? ##Vote VE I like you Dirkzor. You make my job easy. You random hop on wagons, make the smallest posts in the world of "original content" to go into large say nothing posts, and you have honestly some of the worst reasons in the world for posting on people. You have also lied, not once but twice. The first I am willing to forgive as you were most likely aiming a test on a player second however was pure and unadulterated lie. Given that a town player would be doing his best to ensure every case he made was of actual information not pure lies, I am going out on a limb here to say you were expecting to think that it would be hidden well in your giant post of uselessness and not called out. Regardless you have clearly not been playing in the interests in the town and aside from the material on you the material on imallinson is by far the strongest and you discount it to push ve to appear less sheepy as you already do. ##vote dirkzor Heading to work, be back before deadline I hope. What other lie have I made than the imallinson thingy? I fail to see it and you fail to say what? Some of your statements BC are taken out of the air. I randomly hop on wagon_s_? I have voted VE. Thats 1 vote. You might call it a wagon but its still only 1. Town would make sure that all stuff was facts. I agree... but no scum would make a huge ass of himself with calling out someones meta in games they haven't even played... How do I expect that not to be figured out when the playing I'm talking about is still alive? It was a mistake and I have no clue how it happened. What posts of mine are inflated to appear bigger? I count maybe one. And thats only because of the quotes. My little discussion with VE seems to have generated some information. The worst thing is that I don't find you scummy at all BC. You should just look elsewhere. | ||
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On August 21 2012 23:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 21 2012 23:19 Dirkzor wrote: After looking through it appears it was hopeless1der... I disagree with me hoping on your wagon. I actually decided not to vote you because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all. I just voices my opinion about the case and my (wrong) findings. Why would the number of people voting him already factor into why you would vote him or not? Only scum worry about shit like that - town either find someone suspicious enough to vote or they don't, and you seemed plenty enough suspicious, especially considering your "findings" after doing meta research. Obviously your "findings" were wrong because you weren't even looking at the right player, but you thought it was right at the time...so why no vote? You can't even use the excuse of "Oh I was saving it for you" because you mentioned me in that post as well and didn't vote for me. I didn't vote because I wasn't convinced. Combine that with some people voting for him with no reason whatsoever made me hesitant. And I wasn't saving it for you... that came later. | ||
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I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't. And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon. | ||
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On August 22 2012 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2012 00:47 Dirkzor wrote: VE you can't just deduce my sentence so they make the point you want. "...because 5 others had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all." Was the sentence. That means "I didn't vote because 5 had already voted 2 of which had done so with no reason at all". NOT "Because 5 other had voted". Period. I've never changed my stance about allinson. He appears scummy to me because of his meek and apologetic attitude. I wanted to see how that was in other games to find out how much weight I should put on this info. When he (still wrong) meta came of different the case had more merit. No place have I gone all out bananas calling him 100% scum and being my top target. I have just agreed that the points have merit and more such because of the (wrong) meta. This was however not enough for me to vote him and I didn't. And yes 2 out of 5 people voting on him without reason had an influence and also the fact that the 5 votes on him came relativly fast after eachother. I wanted to see how it progressed without me adding my vote to the wagon. But the case has merit or it doesn't - that's my point. You said the case had merit, verily even MORE merit given your (wrong) meta yet you STILL weren't convinced enough to vote? But, conversely, Wiggles' prod for me to get scumhunting and SnB's confirmation bias because I called his Draz case shitty was enough for you to vote me? Naaaah bro, that's not how we do things. I have a pretty firm grasp on what NOT to do, because I do it so very often. This is a textbook case of how we do NOT do things. I've never said the case doesn't had merits. It can be a case with good points and still be weak. And it IS weak. Thats why I didn't vote (and for you to not call me out for changing my mind i have to add and the fact that the wagon was forming so fast also mede me hesitant. And yes the cases on you and your "why not focus on someone else then me" part made it enough for me to vote you. And if the case wasn't on you, you might have been able to see that the cases on you have more power then the one on allinson. All that being said you are starting to lose the redness. I really think we should look somewhere else then the current targets for scum tbh. A lot of people are awefull quite these last 12h and that makes we wonder that we are all town yelling at eachother. On August 22 2012 01:13 Mattchew wrote: ##vote dirkzor I like this wagon Wtf is this? | ||
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-Chezinu -kenpachi Chezinu: -Drazerk Toad: -Kurumi imallinson: -WBG -bumatlarge -HiroPro -JingleHell -Hopeless1der -S&B -Kitaman -toad -Mementoss VE: -Wiggles -Dirkzor Dirkzor: -BC -imallinson -VE -Heist -Mattchew -Misder Hopeless1der: -Zehirdd Zephirdd: -BioSC Rough vote count. There can be errors since this was done quickly. | ||
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TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list. Any questions for me go ahead and ask. @VE: I can't get you out of my mind (<3). Why would you unvote me only to vote me again after 3 other had voted me. I understand the re-vote since that was after our little conversation but the unvote made no sense. You were the only one voting me at the time you unvoted with little support in the thread for my lynch at the time. You made a long case on Zephirdd but didn't vote him (Much like you accuse me of not voting allinson) and unvote me in the same post. You then re-voted me (with reason) and then you later stated that you would rather lynch zephirdd even though you voted me. Its just... wrong somehow.. | ||
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