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[G] Zerg Sim City for Spire protection in ZvP

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 Orek   August 10 2012 13:59. Posts 1391
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[G] Zerg Sim City for Spire protection in ZvP


Painful setback for Zerg. Yummy moment for Protoss

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Sim City –the term used to refer to a group of buildings or a part of a player's base, constructed in such a way that they serve more functions than those of the individual buildings, according to liquipedia. While learning sim city is a must for Terran/Protoss, Zerg players often ignore it completely. Careful building placements are almost non-existent especially in ZvP with no speedling/hellion type run-by from Protoss. Often times, tech buildings are thrown down at random locations on creep. Because of this, lategame tech snipe by small Zealot/DT(melee units) squad with warpprism is relatively easy today even at pro level. This entire thread is devoted to sim city(wall-in) for protecting Greater Spire vs Zealot/DT drops like the one in the image above.

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Zerg Wall-in Mechanics
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Conclusion: Best way to wall-in Greater Spire
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 jonaa   Netherlands. August 10 2012 14:10. Posts 138
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Honestly in ZvP I'm gna start putting my roach and evo in windmill clockwise whatever it is position so once i put down my spire i can full wall it with 2 more. It's a good idea I think losing your greater spire in ZvP can you lose many games.
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  Belial88   United States. August 10 2012 14:28. Posts 5217Profile Blog # 
I always do this. It's definitely worth making extra evo chambers to wall off the spire, and generally I'll put at least 5-10 spines around my greater spire and a bunch of evos in the lategame.

Cool charts though, I'm going to start staggering my evo's for that purpose.
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 ncsix   August 10 2012 14:37. Posts 74
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Great work as usual orek!
Definitely going to remember to do this more often.
Zerg players in general can get pretty complacent with SIM city compared to the other races, even more so now with the queen patch.

Think you could put a diagram for a complete wall with a spore crawler thats walled in as well? That way, it also keeps DTs visible for the longest possible duration without needing an overseer in place.

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 Monsyphon   Canada. August 10 2012 14:45. Posts 178
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I thought this would just be a guy scoffing about how pros don't do "x", but this is much better, much more detailed and impressive.

Last edit: 2012-08-10 14:46:46
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 RiceAgainst   United States. August 10 2012 14:49. Posts 1380
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Even though I don't play zerg, this is still a nice read. I always thought that pros were crazy for putting their greater spire between their nat and third sometimes but I figure that it had to do with simcity not being much of an option for zerg. Hopefully we'll see more pros doing this simcity, and when I do see it, I'll remember this!
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 Danglars   United States. August 10 2012 15:01. Posts 1923
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Nicely put man ... gonna try this laddering this week.
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  Belial88   United States. August 10 2012 15:03. Posts 5217Profile Blog # 
I'll see if I can dig up replays where I've done this (i mean i do it every game, but an example where I put like 10+ spines down lol). I make over 100 spines by lategame in most of my match-ups, there's just no reason not to do it in extreme lategame, just like terran masses OC's, zerg should always pump up to 100 drones for a second so they can make 20 free spines. 20 spines around a far-off expo just makes it absolutely drop proof, making the immobility of broodlords a non-issue.
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 Bippzy   United States. August 10 2012 15:11. Posts 1335
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Pro zergs should do this. Makes me wonder if it wouldn't be smarter to put it at the natural, since natural in general has to be defended with spines(sometimes) anyways. Very good guide.
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 Orek   August 10 2012 15:18. Posts 1391
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On August 10 2012 14:28 Belial88 wrote:
I always do this. It's definitely worth making extra evo chambers to wall off the spire, and generally I'll put at least 5-10 spines around my greater spire and a bunch of evos in the lategame.

Cool charts though, I'm going to start staggering my evo's for that purpose.


"Stagger" is probably the word I was looking for. I couldn't come up with a word that could express the shape, and somehow "windmill" came to my mind first. I hope I am not the only one who thinks it looks like a windmill.
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  sewergoat   United States. August 10 2012 15:49. Posts 97Profile # 
so funny i was just thinking about this at work earlier today and thought i was a genius. good job for sharing it on tl and nice op!
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 doggy   Germany. August 10 2012 18:32. Posts 262
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Thx for your work, ive thought about that many times but always forgot about it again after a while :o)
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 Azera   Singapore. August 10 2012 18:36. Posts 3374
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very, very nice!
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 Targe   United Kingdom. August 10 2012 18:38. Posts 1755
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I'm guessing you have to make a building AFTER greater spire is morphed because you can't get a drone inside the ring created by the structures?
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 Advocado   Denmark. August 10 2012 18:42. Posts 844
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This is a cool as fuck guide to walling in your greater spire correctly. Nicely done!
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 RustySpork   United Kingdom. August 10 2012 19:16. Posts 48
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this in very in depth, TL needs more guides like this! Thx very much for putting in the time to teach us fellow zergs this nice trick
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 IMPrime   United States. August 10 2012 19:26. Posts 449
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i don't even play zerg (i play terran so this literally does not apply to me at all), but this is a nice trick
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  ThePlayer33   Australia. August 11 2012 13:30. Posts 2377Profile # 
cute~
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  Belial88   United States. August 11 2012 13:53. Posts 5217Profile Blog # 
http://drop.sc/236516

here's a recent game I played where i did a sim city, as well as planting tons of spines at my 5th base.

It always amazes me why pros never just go balls out and plant 20 spines at a far off expo, instead preferring to lose it to a single drop of marines about 5 times. Especially on antiga shipyard. It's free for zerg, just make 100 drones, and walla, 30 free spines.

I'll try to find a replay where the sim city is actually an issue though, in this game the toss never did a warp prism harass, dts, or even went to my 5th with anything so there isn't any real practice to it.

It's also nice to lay a creep tumor in your main with a queen with excess energy when it's super lategame hive stage, so you can better plant spines and evo's and such.
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 Acer.Scarlett`   Korea (South). August 11 2012 14:22. Posts 734
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Nice, simple guide. Definately gonna try to do this in ZvPs from now on (just been lazy about it ><)


On August 11 2012 13:53 Belial88 wrote:
http://drop.sc/236516

here's a recent game I played where i did a sim city, as well as planting tons of spines at my 5th base.

It always amazes me why pros never just go balls out and plant 20 spines at a far off expo, instead preferring to lose it to a single drop of marines about 5 times. Especially on antiga shipyard. It's free for zerg, just make 100 drones, and walla, 30 free spines.

I'll try to find a replay where the sim city is actually an issue though, in this game the toss never did a warp prism harass, dts, or even went to my 5th with anything so there isn't any real practice to it.

It's also nice to lay a creep tumor in your main with a queen with excess energy when it's super lategame hive stage, so you can better plant spines and evo's and such.

It would be wonderful if you could spare 3000 minerals to make spines per base in a pro game, wouldn't it ?
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