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| sfdrew United States. August 12 2012 23:53. Posts 201 | Profile # |
First of all, let me say that I follow all of the normal customs like saying "gl hf", and I "gg" when I know I'm spent. I try to be polite and understanding to other players, but I had an incident recently that made me ponder. I'm not a good player, and neither was my opponent, but the game was reasonably matched. It became clear at some point that I was going to win and he said "gg". I reciprocated, but then he asked if I would throw the match so he could get his 25 in a row streak achievement. I said no, but that I was sorry he couldn't get it. He pleaded again, asking if I was really going to make him do it all over again, and I remained silent. He hurled some choice language that displeased the filter at me and then rage quit.
At first I thought "screw you buddy". You haven't earned the acheivement if somebody threw the last game for you, so it isn't even an achievement. Also, I had no way of knowing if he was lying. For all I know, he could give this song and dance to everybody who is about to beat him. But then I thought, shouldn't I give people the benefit of the doubt? That achievement was clearly worth more to him than one match was to me. Did I really need to win that badly? Did I put my inflated Bronze ego above another person over a game? I still don't think I should have thrown the match, and I question whether it was appropriate for him to even ask, but it does raise issues about the way we treat other players in the game. Is winning more important than civility?
Our customs dictate polite tokens of conversation throughout the game, but do we back those up with our actions? Do we really mean "good luck and have fun", or are we really thinking "I hope you lose no matter what"? |
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| Shiori August 12 2012 23:55. Posts 2816 | Profile Blog # |
| The game is about winning, or at the very least ladder is. If you didn't care about competitiveness then you'd play customs, not ladder. |
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| Torte de Lini Canada. August 12 2012 23:56. Posts 27051 | Profile Blog # |
Is it just me or do you philosophize about the least important component of the game? Does stating something automatically obligate you to follow the full extent of interpreatitive measures of ensuring that your opponent both has fun as well as good luck he needs to overcome yourself?
It's a game, you want to win, he wants to win. Just play and win, exclude all courtesies if it morally troubles you.Last edit: 2012-08-12 23:57:00 |
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| TsGBruzze Sweden. August 12 2012 23:57. Posts 1051 | Profile Blog # |
i always think "I hope you lose no matter what" but its more important to learn from the game. But i never think "good luck and have fun" but i will always say it  |
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| awu25 United States. August 12 2012 23:58. Posts 1999 | Profile # |
| When did they add an achievement for 25 wins in a row? |
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| DarkPlasmaBall United States. August 12 2012 23:59. Posts 19998 | Profile Blog # |
You did the right thing... or, at least, you shouldn't feel bad about keeping your hard-earned win.
You can give away wins if you want, but no one should expect free wins from his opponent.
Don't overthink it. You're fine |
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| Sylverin United States. August 12 2012 23:59. Posts 466 | Profile # |
On August 12 2012 23:57 TsGBruzze wrote:i always think "I hope you lose no matter what" but its more important to learn from the game. But i never think "good luck and have fun" but i will always say it
This, but the important part is no matter what you feel inside you should always be kind and friendly to strangers you never know they may turn out to be a friend somewhere down the road |
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| sfdrew United States. August 13 2012 00:05. Posts 201 | Profile # |
On August 12 2012 23:58 awu25 wrote:
When did they add an achievement for 25 wins in a row?
I double checked and it only goes up to 5 in a row. I guess that answers the question about him lying. I can't tell if he was more angry that he lost or that I didn't cave in to his sob story, which I know now had to be false.
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| `dunedain August 13 2012 00:06. Posts 450 | Profile # |
People hardly ever "gg" these days...
I actually get more rage quits and surprising "Terran IMBA" more often than I do get "gg". Although this never stops me from "gg-ing" when I lose.
I really don't know what you're asking here, but I play to win, as I'm sure almost everyone does. But I do acknowledge that when I lose, it's due to my own bad play.
All I know is that every game I play is a good game, because I put all my effort into it, even those couple games where I do pull out the occasional shenanigans.
It was right of you not to give him the win, especially if you both played hard until the end and you came out on top.
With that being said, it seems that some people care more about their ladder record/points more than they do about improving. I remember reading a thread a couple days ago where this dude claimed that he would commit suicide if his opponent didn't give him the win. People say the darndest things, and all I know is that if I felt that my opponent deserved the win, he would've played the better game.
It's a very competitive game, and I know that when I play, it's for the gold. Every time. |
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| FrogOfWar Germany. August 13 2012 00:09. Posts 1245 | Profile # |
Civility doesn't demand that you grant every favor anyone asks of you. Sometimes I give freewins to people if they ask just because I find it funny to ask that and it's a better way to break out of a losing streak than getting all enraged and starting to cheese people to win no matter what.
But it was the other guy who abandoned civility, and a polite question isn't a polite question when the answer no isn't acceptable.
As to the glhf thing, the question has been asked a thousand times. It's courtesy. Courtesy isn't about making accurate statements of truth, it's about showing respect and setting the tone for a social interaction in a good spirit. When I write "Dear Sir or Madam", they obviously aren't "dear" to me since I don't even know them. But why spoil the interaction and everybody's mood by writing "hello random bureaucrat"?
Edit: typo.Last edit: 2012-08-13 00:11:19 |
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| xwoGworwaTsx United States. August 13 2012 00:14. Posts 845 | Profile # |
On August 12 2012 23:55 Shiori wrote:
The game is about winning, or at the very least ladder is. If you didn't care about competitiveness then you'd play customs, not ladder.
Very true words. I don't mind a little (or even a lot BM), I just focus and even use it to distract his concentration. Whatever gets you the W in the ladder. |
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| AnachronisticAnarchy United States. August 13 2012 00:21. Posts 2289 | Profile Blog # |
The point of the game, and indeed, every game, is to win.
Giving away free wins cheapens the very thing you are giving away. By doing that, you take more than you give, even if the person asking thinks otherwise. |
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| HeeroFX United States. August 13 2012 00:24. Posts 1915 | Profile Blog # |
| I just play the game and try to win every game I play. I think players shouldn't rage at each other, but it happens, even I do it sometimes. |
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| Stratos_speAr United States. August 13 2012 00:27. Posts 3729 | Profile # |
On August 12 2012 23:55 Shiori wrote:
The game is about winning, or at the very least ladder is. If you didn't care about competitiveness then you'd play customs, not ladder.
Not true at all. The ladder is very convenient due to the matchmaking system, so just because someone uses it doesn't mean they're really into the competitive aspect. |
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| Dosey United States. August 13 2012 00:30. Posts 3981 | Profile # |
Reminds me of when people would ask for an AE in SC/BW. I'd usually tell them to go fuck themselves.
I remember having a loss account that had like 5k losses, my only wins coming from when some tool begged me for an AE. If they paid any attention, they would have seen my record and that I'd leave if they just kept their mouth shut.Last edit: 2012-08-13 00:34:16 |
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| NoobCrunch August 13 2012 00:32. Posts 56 | Profile # |
| Not really into the gl / gl hf stuff. Will gg if the opponent played well. Don't say anything otherwise. |
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| Durp Canada. August 13 2012 00:36. Posts 2845 | Profile Blog # |
Under no circumstances should you have thrown him the game. You earned your win, and you should receive the reward of outplaying him (his ladder points).
Conversely, if he ends up beating that achievement by having (at least) the last game thrown to him, it will never carry the same weight as if he earned it honorably, since he'll know he didn't deserve it. Make him earn it the right way, and whenever he does, he'll appreciate it moreso.
edit; I say gl hf as a sign of intended mutual respect. I recognize this is a game, and (while being competitive and trying to win) I want my opponent to have fun while playing. That's why I'm not one of those platinum league tough guys that responds to gl hf with "fuck you"/"you suck"/"i'm going to own you"Last edit: 2012-08-13 00:38:44 |
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| iAmJeffReY United States. August 13 2012 02:10. Posts 3387 | Profile # |
| Instead of GG now, I say 'lol' when I play against P/Z. Against T, I just rage quit after losing. But losing against Z/P is just laughable to me, so I just replace good game with the classic 'laugh out loud' |
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| Zeon0 Austria. August 13 2012 02:16. Posts 2542 | Profile # | |
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 mynameisgreat11 August 13 2012 02:25. Posts 599 | Profile # |
| gl hf to start, gg at end, nothing in the middle unless he actually seems friendly. At the first hint of BM, block. |
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