| Jaso United States. August 15 2012 16:08. Posts 1505 | Profile Blog # |
On August 15 2012 16:02 HazMat wrote:
Anyone else think that people are going overboard with crying NERF on the Katarina change? I wouldn't be surprised if she's really strong now.
Yeah, I have a friend who's constantly complaining about her being super weak now, but I actually see her as a lot stronger.
edit: and he had been complaining even before numbers were finalized.Last edit: 2012-08-15 16:09:04 |
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| Chexx Germany. August 15 2012 16:12. Posts 2583 | Profile # |
On August 15 2012 16:05 Lmui wrote:My thoughts: Garen: Brutalizer is still going to be a stupidly strong item on him but I think that the itemization of GA, Mercs, IE, Maw, Warmogs, Randuins would be pretty stupidly strong on him. He'll wind up tankier than the old garen, doing more damage and just spinning to win as usual. Teemo: I'm expecting nashor's tooth. 0.6 scaling every third hit isn't good enough to make it good on diana, maybe 0.4 scaling EVERY hit would be good on teemo! zerks, wits, nashors, dcap, mallet, GA, dcap? Edit: http://www.twitch.tv/locodocolocodoco streaming!
i will play some teemo with these changes again. Got now some AP marks and quints. Its time for duty |
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| Lmui Canada. August 15 2012 16:19. Posts 1883 | Profile # |
On August 15 2012 16:12 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 16:05 Lmui wrote:My thoughts: Garen: Brutalizer is still going to be a stupidly strong item on him but I think that the itemization of GA, Mercs, IE, Maw, Warmogs, Randuins would be pretty stupidly strong on him. He'll wind up tankier than the old garen, doing more damage and just spinning to win as usual. Teemo: I'm expecting nashor's tooth. 0.6 scaling every third hit isn't good enough to make it good on diana, maybe 0.4 scaling EVERY hit would be good on teemo! zerks, wits, nashors, dcap, mallet, GA, dcap? Edit: http://www.twitch.tv/locodocolocodoco streaming!
i will play some teemo with these changes again. Got now some AP marks and quints. Its time for duty
I think AP quints are pretty good since they add 6 magic damage to your autoattack and 1.5/second vs the 6.75/attack you get from 3x AD quints. For marks though, I'd would actually go attackspeed or AD. Both improve your early game far more than getting AP marks would. |
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| Ryuu314 United States. August 15 2012 16:28. Posts 5309 | Profile # |
| marks should almost always be some kind of penetration since those are the most efficient cost and slot wise. attack speed and flat AD marks are sometimes good though. |
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| Celial August 15 2012 16:33. Posts 906 | Profile Blog # |
| lol locos stream, talking korean the whole time, then raging and flaming on english |
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| WaveofShadow Canada. August 15 2012 17:19. Posts 5093 | Profile Blog # |
I miss loco. Moar posts on TL plx.
Really great to watch Korean stream though and actually have an understand of what's going through his head. |
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| Nikon Bulgaria. August 15 2012 17:22. Posts 4712 | Profile Blog # |
| What's the Alistar skin on Loco's stream? Never seen it before, couldn't recognise Ali at first. Last edit: 2012-08-15 17:24:27 |
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| warscythes August 15 2012 17:22. Posts 184 | Profile # |
On August 15 2012 17:22 Nikon wrote:
What's the Alistar skin on Loco's stream?
Infernal Alistar |
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| JackDino Gabon. August 15 2012 17:25. Posts 3292 | Profile # |
| Where can find loco stream? |
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| ZERG_RUSSIAN August 15 2012 17:26. Posts 5079 | Profile Blog # |
| I'd probably wait until we see how kat plays out before we jump to a number analysis. I think EautoQW retreat harass is going to scrape a lot of casters. |
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| Nikon Bulgaria. August 15 2012 17:26. Posts 4712 | Profile Blog # |
On August 15 2012 17:25 JackDino wrote:
Where can find loco stream?
There you go. |
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| JackDino Gabon. August 15 2012 17:46. Posts 3292 | Profile # |
| Don't understand the Garen change at all, he saw so little play and I can't see any of these things being a buff untill you get a lot of items. You can't go straight damage first anymore and still get 25arm/mr for example. Pretty sure his E damage has been nerfed aswell. |
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| warscythes August 15 2012 17:53. Posts 184 | Profile # |
On August 15 2012 17:46 JackDino wrote:
Don't understand the Garen change at all, he saw so little play and I can't see any of these things being a buff untill you get a lot of items. You can't go straight damage first anymore and still get 25arm/mr for example. Pretty sure his E damage has been nerfed aswell.
E is buffed, the break point is 121.85 bonus AD but Garen now scales much better with crit.
He also got 3 extra seconds of damage reduction and 30% crowd control reduction. I take that trade off for a slightly squishy early game.
I heard report that maxing Q first in lane is actually really strong now.
I am somewhat sure the new level 1 Q covers extra distance than the old level 1 Q, I believe xyp also confirmed this but I can't find the post at the moment.Last edit: 2012-08-15 17:57:47 |
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| JackDino Gabon. August 15 2012 17:57. Posts 3292 | Profile # |
| And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad? |
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| warscythes August 15 2012 17:58. Posts 184 | Profile # |
On August 15 2012 17:57 JackDino wrote:
And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad?
Math.
210+1.4x=120+1.1(x+115.05(new base AD)) where x is the number for bonus AD.
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| JerKy Korea (South). August 15 2012 17:59. Posts 1936 | Profile Blog # |
Oh no the teemo buff... T_T
Really looking forward to the katarina changes though, at first everyone said it was an overall buff, but then Scarra and co came out and said its a nerf (i think), so yeah x_x
Also, I've been seeing more and more people play varus as of late, perhaps the buff on his ult will make him a little more viable for competitive play :o |
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| Caphe Vietnam. August 15 2012 18:00. Posts 7266 | Profile Blog # |
Pdd(now on iG) did play an awesome Garen last year in IEM Guangzhou. Beside from that noone really plays Garen in high level tournament. I would love too see more Garen in competitive play since hes fun to watch cos we've seen so little of him.
I would build a movement speed + crit Garen with 3xPD just for the lol. Omg that Q crit is gonna be so fun. |
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| JackDino Gabon. August 15 2012 18:02. Posts 3292 | Profile # |
On August 15 2012 17:58 warscythes wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 17:57 JackDino wrote:
And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad?
Math. 210+1.4x=120+1.1(x+115.05(new base AD)) where x is the number for bonus AD.
So you completely ignored that the new garen E only lasts for 2.5seconds, where the old lasted for 3seconds. |
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| warscythes August 15 2012 18:04. Posts 184 | Profile # |
On August 15 2012 18:02 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 17:58 warscythes wrote:
On August 15 2012 17:57 JackDino wrote:
And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad?
Math. 210+1.4x=120+1.1(x+115.05(new base AD)) where x is the number for bonus AD.
So you completely ignored that the new garen E only lasts for 2.5seconds, where the old lasted for 3seconds.
No, the animation is shortened to 2.5 second but the number of damage ticks are still the same. The old Garen used to have this 0.5 second lag at the end of judgment where he continues to spin but doesn't actually do any damage.
This specific change is actually a buff.Last edit: 2012-08-15 18:05:25 |
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| JackDino Gabon. August 15 2012 18:07. Posts 3292 | Profile # |
| nvm Last edit: 2012-08-15 18:09:20 |
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