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August 16th, 2012 09:42 | StarCraft 2
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| Olinim August 16 2012 09:56. Posts 3982 | Profile # |
group a : forgg nerchio inori group b violet mvp nestea
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| Enel Sudan. August 16 2012 10:00. Posts 293 | Profile # |
the same as olinim  |
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| DOUDOU Wales. August 16 2012 10:16. Posts 2697 | Profile # |
Feast to impress again (before fading out as always in the upcoming weeks)
forGG to take it all |
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| Dodgin Canada. August 16 2012 10:33. Posts 26916 | Profile # |
lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
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| Dexington Canada. August 16 2012 10:33. Posts 5901 | Profile Blog # |
| I bet Nestea doesn't make it out of the group. |
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| Sumahi Guam. August 16 2012 10:49. Posts 5042 | Profile Blog # |
| I hope the lesser players in Group B are up for the regicidal task ahead of them. There are more GSL championships between Nestea and MVP than there are players in the entire group. |
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| bittman Australia. August 16 2012 10:49. Posts 7434 | Profile # |
| I hope PiG can do well, but most likely Group B should be a KR affair. Group A could be anyone's group...I don't want to guess! |
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| Gamegene United States. August 16 2012 10:56. Posts 6845 | Profile Blog # |
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it. |
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| Dodgin Canada. August 16 2012 11:01. Posts 26916 | Profile # |
On August 16 2012 10:56 Gamegene wrote: Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter.
Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image. |
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| RynoSoren United States. August 16 2012 11:02. Posts 32 | Profile # |
| I get the feeling that NesTea sometimes chooses how well he does at a tournament. The farther away from the finals he is the worse he does. |
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| zeratul_jf United States. August 16 2012 11:08. Posts 527 | Profile # |
On August 16 2012 11:01 Dodgin wrote: Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 10:56 Gamegene wrote: On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter. Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.
Thats because naniwa hasnt won any GSL championships while MVP and Nestea have 4 and 3 respectevely |
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bropedo United States. August 16 2012 11:11. Posts 89 | Profile # |
| Doesnt matter, Bombers takin it all |
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| Dodgin Canada. August 16 2012 11:11. Posts 26916 | Profile # |
On August 16 2012 11:08 zeratul_jf wrote: Show nested quote +On August 16 2012 11:01 Dodgin wrote: On August 16 2012 10:56 Gamegene wrote: On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter. Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.
Thats because naniwa hasnt won any GSL championships while MVP and Nestea have 4 and 3 respectevely
Okay fine I can accept that, but the core of my argument is not the last part.
So what you guys are suggesting is that they have to draw a line where they think " we are successful enough, now we have to protect our image and not go to foreign events where we might lose and look bad "
So I ask, protect their image for what purpose? They are the kings of GSL no matter what happens here, if they win they go home with a good experience and some more money, if they lose they go home with a good experience and not as much money as they would get for winning.
Does anyone really think any player in sc2 is invincible? Are people surprised when Mvp goes to a foreign event and doesn't win? Starcraft 2 is not at the point yet where the best player in the world wins every game, there will be upsets.
Clearly, Nestea and Mvp are not as dominant as they were last year, you can see that by looking at their games inside Korea. I still want to watch them play, even if they don't win or are not the favorites to win I hope they show up and compete to put on a good show for their fans. I'm sure people who attend the event are fucking ecstatic that they get to meet such legends as well.
To take that away for the purpose of preserving a sense of pride is ridiculous, and I refuse to believe that's the way they actually think. They are just guys enjoying their lives playing video games and traveling around the world.
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| Entirety August 16 2012 11:29. Posts 935 | Profile Blog # |
I completely agree with Dodgin.
LG should be happy because they made a deal with the best StarCraft 2 team. Can anyone deny that after 2 consecutive GSL championships, IPL TAC 3 victory, and the sheer depth of their lineup?
Mvp and NesTea don't give a fuck about all that stuff. They have sponsor obligations, they go to IEM. Once they're there, they play to win and either of them can easily be considered the favorite to win the whole tournament. They're champions, they're not scrubs who are scared of losing to the first no-name player around. Granted, Mvp has had some questionable losses, but that's not going to stop him from winning another GSL. |
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| VictorJones United States. August 16 2012 11:38. Posts 235 | Profile Blog # |
I have to disagree with a lot of what was written in this article.
Naniwa did not win in this situation. He came off as a whiner after losing to a no-name and a middling korean protoss by blaming a well liked JYP. I can't help but note the bias here since Wax's very argument for talking about how MVP was "done" was losing to a no-name player (monchi) but make absolutely no claim to Naniwa being "done" despite his similar losses and go so far as to call him a winner? In fact, he goes on to talk about Nestea's "showing weakness in the past" by losing to... Naniwa? Wat. And yet, his reputation is allegedly fine -> winner.
IEM is an important tournament for european fans but fans from NA and Korea don't care so much as to tarnish reputations based on results earned there. The only way for a reputation to be hurt in this case is if they seem legitimately outplayed by players that are supposedly much worse than them. There are very few results that indicate that any player in group B besides feast and violet are on a level with MVP or Nestea in terms of sheer ability. That's different than to say that there is room for upsets to occur but they would still be upsets even though the two Code S champions have not done amazingly well at these types of events historically. If there was a chance that pig or kas would manhandle the two Code S players, there would be room for speculation about the reputations of the two Code S players. They have already bashed their way through the open bracket to get where they are beating players like strelok, killer, and grubby with relative ease. Nestea only dropped a set to Puma which is to be expected considering these tournaments are Puma's turf.
Mechanically, the only comparisons we really have between the two GSL titans and the rest of the opposition are other Code S players who will of course have the best mechanics in the world. This talk of MVP and Nestea is much ado about nothing imo |
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| CursivE Australia. August 16 2012 11:43. Posts 284 | Profile # |
Love the Beatles reference, intended or otherwise.
Nice to see an Australian fighting! |
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| SHOOG United States. August 16 2012 11:46. Posts 1375 | Profile Blog # |
On August 16 2012 11:11 bropedo wrote: Doesnt matter, Bombers takin it all
I can agree with that. Group A: SortOf, forgg, inori Group B: Violet, MVP, Nestea |
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| Bagration United States. August 16 2012 11:46. Posts 11508 | Profile Blog # |
| Not sure if I would consider Inori less of a threat than SortOf. He's definitely a solid player, and probably has a good chance of making it out of the group. |
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X3GoldDot Malaysia. August 16 2012 11:59. Posts 3840 | Profile # |
Group A: 1. forgg 2. nerchio 3. puma 4. demuslim 5. inori 6. sortof Group B: 1. violet 2. MVP 3. nestea 4. feast 5. kas 6. pig
is my predictions |
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