| Amestir Netherlands. August 17 2012 17:26. Posts 1434 | Profile Blog # |
On August 17 2012 15:46 Jerubaal wrote:
Is the Gargantuan getting the same sort of scaling or just zombie dogs?
Suppose the same. Tbh kinda dissapointed with the pet buffs, I was hoping for some abilities or something. Anyway, them not dying is probably a good thing. |
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| crappen Norway. August 17 2012 18:55. Posts 1051 | Profile # |
On August 17 2012 14:02 Meatpuppet wrote:
I would wager VQ with Fire Bomb(pyrogeist), or Corpse Spiders(Spider Queen) + Direbats (Zombie bears is gonna be terrible with its short range and expensive cast cost) might be the only way to run it. But here we are going to have 2 skills needed for a VQ build. But I don't think Direbats will be nearly as spammable as before, so do we add in another attacking skill or just scratch pyrogeist and spider queen idea and use splinters(or a new buffed primary) and cast dire bats when you need that aoe. Lets face it, those running direbats or zombie bears before might have to go back to the drawing board while splinters users can fiddle with running vision quest now. I am lucky I was splinters, I feel sorry for the others. I am also very lucky I was outbid on that endgame mojo(for zombie bears) I was bidding on.
Why would one be sorry for bearbuilds? I was running bears and I loved it, and I love it even more that I can try out new builds and be the lucky one to go back to the drawing boards. Thats one of the most fun things about Diablo, build diversities, trying out new stuff.
Poor me, I got so much options after this patch :D |
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| nihlon Sweden. August 17 2012 19:10. Posts 5244 | Profile # |
| I'll give act 2 inferno a new shot after this patch. |
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| Doko Argentina. August 17 2012 20:16. Posts 1423 | Profile # |
On August 17 2012 18:55 crappen wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 14:02 Meatpuppet wrote:
I would wager VQ with Fire Bomb(pyrogeist), or Corpse Spiders(Spider Queen) + Direbats (Zombie bears is gonna be terrible with its short range and expensive cast cost) might be the only way to run it. But here we are going to have 2 skills needed for a VQ build. But I don't think Direbats will be nearly as spammable as before, so do we add in another attacking skill or just scratch pyrogeist and spider queen idea and use splinters(or a new buffed primary) and cast dire bats when you need that aoe. Lets face it, those running direbats or zombie bears before might have to go back to the drawing board while splinters users can fiddle with running vision quest now. I am lucky I was splinters, I feel sorry for the others. I am also very lucky I was outbid on that endgame mojo(for zombie bears) I was bidding on.
Why would one be sorry for bearbuilds? I was running bears and I loved it, and I love it even more that I can try out new builds and be the lucky one to go back to the drawing boards. Thats one of the most fun things about Diablo, build diversities, trying out new stuff. Poor me, I got so much options after this patch :D
Bears will be fine. Assuming you have 1 piece of mana regen gear with +10/s VQ goes from 120/s to 71.5. Which is more than enough to keep your mana full constantly and burst down elite packs, if they are really nasty ones you just pop rain dance get 230 mana/s, more than enough to destroy anything.
While the changes are really good I refuse to drop the only spec that can kill phasebeasts packs in 5 seconds. They are gonna have to buff the shit out of all the other skills to come even close to the burst bears produces. Although for grouping I would seriously consider pets or a more DoT oriented caster dps spec depending on who your are grouping with, might need a 2h to make it worth it though
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| trifecta United States. August 17 2012 22:13. Posts 739 | Profile # |
| I'm guessing that gargantuan gets similar buffs to zombie dogs? Still miss the necromancer tho. |
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| Corak Germany. August 17 2012 22:18. Posts 146 | Profile # |
My mana regeneration will be down from ~200/s to ~100/s with VQ.
I will have to reskill from pure Direbats.
But it shows that the WD never was meant to spam big attack spells indefinitely, but rather burn his mana and wait for the recharge (big mana pool - low regeneration).
Guess i will have to figure out what to do while waiting for the AoE attack mana to be back up. There are many interesting attack spells, that were never useful before. Looking forward to playing around with them after the patch. |
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| holy_war United States. August 17 2012 23:01. Posts 3478 | Profile Blog # |
On August 17 2012 22:18 Corak wrote:
My mana regeneration will be down from ~200/s to ~100/s with VQ.
I will have to reskill from pure Direbats.
But it shows that the WD never was meant to spam big attack spells indefinitely, but rather burn his mana and wait for the recharge (big mana pool - low regeneration).
Guess i will have to figure out what to do while waiting for the AoE attack mana to be back up. There are many interesting attack spells, that were never useful before. Looking forward to playing around with them after the patch.
Think of this, instead of spamming voodoo/fetish army etc just to keep it on cooldown for VQ, you can actually use them when you need them (vs champ packs/elites). Yeah it's getting a nerf, but I think it's for the better. |
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| Charger United States. August 17 2012 23:26. Posts 2347 | Profile Blog # |
On August 17 2012 22:18 Corak wrote:
My mana regeneration will be down from ~200/s to ~100/s with VQ.
I will have to reskill from pure Direbats.
But it shows that the WD never was meant to spam big attack spells indefinitely, but rather burn his mana and wait for the recharge (big mana pool - low regeneration).
Guess i will have to figure out what to do while waiting for the AoE attack mana to be back up. There are many interesting attack spells, that were never useful before. Looking forward to playing around with them after the patch.
Fuck man, I love my bats build 
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| Corak Germany. August 17 2012 23:35. Posts 146 | Profile # |
On August 17 2012 23:01 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 22:18 Corak wrote:
My mana regeneration will be down from ~200/s to ~100/s with VQ.
I will have to reskill from pure Direbats.
But it shows that the WD never was meant to spam big attack spells indefinitely, but rather burn his mana and wait for the recharge (big mana pool - low regeneration).
Guess i will have to figure out what to do while waiting for the AoE attack mana to be back up. There are many interesting attack spells, that were never useful before. Looking forward to playing around with them after the patch.
Think of this, instead of spamming voodoo/fetish army etc just to keep it on cooldown for VQ, you can actually use them when you need them (vs champ packs/elites). Yeah it's getting a nerf, but I think it's for the better.
Oh... don't get me wrong. Gameplay wise VQ was verrrry bad design!
You could get it to work but it wasn't very satisfying to spam cooldown skills just for the mana.
It's just a bit hard to be excited when blizz doesn't say how the other signature skills will be buffed, 'cause pure splinters never was very fun to me ether. |
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| wintergt Belgium. August 17 2012 23:35. Posts 1235 | Profile # |
| This will make me dust off my old WD. |
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| Klowney Sweden. August 18 2012 05:39. Posts 57 | Profile # |
Does pet dmg already scale?
nvm, I´m being stupid.Last edit: 2012-08-18 05:44:59 |
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| Serpico August 18 2012 07:28. Posts 3925 | Profile # |
| Isn't this a nerf to mana regen overall? |
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| Resistentialism Canada. August 18 2012 07:47. Posts 684 | Profile Blog # |
| Just VQ. You might say that since, say 60% of WD were using VQ, maybe it is. Number pulled out of my ass. |
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| DeCoup Australia. August 18 2012 09:24. Posts 1928 | Profile # |
On August 18 2012 07:28 Serpico wrote:
Isn't this a nerf to mana regen overall?
If you were not using VQ you just got a regen buff. More base regen.
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If you were using VQ you just got a regen nerf, BUT can now use your cooldowns as you see fit, or even make builds with VQ which don't have 4 cooldown abilities. So you have more survivability (Because you can use spirit walk etc when you WANT to), more control (because you can use all your other cooldowns when its appropriate), and a regen nerf.
You could also do more damage in some situations then you would have been capable of before, because you will not be forced to use Soul Harvest every time it is up, so you can hold on to large stacks more easily. And if the enemy you are fighting at the time requires a bit of kiting or other positioning you may still get off the same amount of bears to min.
This also means that people who do want to spam bears forever will have to put a bit more effort into both their build and their playstyle. If you are in a situation with very little bear downtime (Not needing to move a lot), then you will need runes on abilities which can help suppliment your mana income and to use them at the right times to make sure that your mana neither gets too low, or more importantly never caps out (eg by using Soul Harvest (mana) while in the middle of a Rain Dance).
IMO being forced to gear and design the majority of your build around getting in mana being a nessessary step for sustained bear spamming for long durations is highly acceptible. But IMO the pros of the VQ changes far outweigh the cons when you look at the greater picture.Last edit: 2012-08-18 09:31:48 |
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| BurningSera United Kingdom. August 18 2012 19:44. Posts 5196 | Profile Blog # |
So they actually KNEW wd sucks big donkey balls???
From our perspective, this isn't acceptable, so we're making some significant buffs to pets in 1.0.4
YA, we are gonna fix this ONE class (which has many design flaws) 3 months AFTER released.
Holy shit i am not even sure why am i angry. |
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| village_idiot August 18 2012 19:56. Posts 2424 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2012 19:44 BurningSera wrote:So they actually KNEW wd sucks big donkey balls???
Show nested quote + From our perspective, this isn't acceptable, so we're making some significant buffs to pets in 1.0.4
YA, we are gonna fix this ONE class (which has many design flaws) 3 months AFTER released. Holy shit i am not even sure why am i angry.
The only reason I bought his game was so I could play a pet class.
Imagine my surprise when my pets sucked ass! |
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| Gearuza August 20 2012 03:57. Posts 123 | Profile Blog # |
| Updated OP with datamined skills |
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