[M] (2) Sandfold-

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On August 18 2012 13:32 Coppermantis wrote:
Lots of open space in the center. I think it could use a little more chokieness around what I assume is the third base.

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On August 18 2012 13:47 Insomni7 wrote:
Perhaps when you get around to textures and doodads, you could make little doodad clumps to make the center feel less open as on Ohana. Also if I was you I would rotate the minerals at the third so their back was to the map boundary. It isn't that having a siegable third min line is a bad thing in every situation, but also considering how far away that third is and also how in, say, a tvt a terran can push down from the top right and siege the mineral line almost as an afterthought, I would prefer to move the minerals a bit. Also it would decrease the distance workers have to go before they start mining so that it would be more similar to daybreak at an eyeball.

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On August 19 2012 03:16 -NegativeZero- wrote:
In TvZ if T manages to siege up on that ridge between the nat and third it will be rather difficult for Z to break. Not sure if this is a problem that needs to be fixed or if it's just something that zergs will have to take into consideration and try to defend before terrans get to that spot.

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On August 19 2012 03:45 Terranlover wrote:
your getting better

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On August 19 2012 02:24 KapsyL wrote:
feels super open

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On August 19 2012 06:04 Coppermantis wrote:
Oh, so the open base was the fourth. I was just guessing based on proximity. Still, it needs to be less open. Far too exposed.

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I actually really like it. You should delete the highground 6th and tuck the half base a bit backwards, closer to the main.

If you do that, I would be honored to do some aesthetics. ^_^

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On August 19 2012 03:17 Aunvilgod wrote:


If the zerg doesn´t have a ton of creep all over that he deserves to lose. And if a terran manages to siege there anyway he has already won.

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On August 19 2012 03:45 Terranlover wrote:
your getting better

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On August 19 2012 05:15 EatThePath wrote:


I agree!

The 4th/5th base need work to make them more stable, less base-tradey. Right now they are open and towards the opponent, so it's easier to counter than defend.

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No towers?

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The 3rd base is too open and far away to be a viable PvZ 3rd. There is plenty of space to attack it via the high ground alone. I would shrink the outer low ground path down to a very narrow choke that has LosB to prevent walling it with a single 3x3. This would make the high ground the powerful defensive position it should be without sacrificing some 2prong/runby potential -- the concept of the 3rd is very cool and the distance is just right I think, it's just a little too hard right now (mostly from openness and wide entrances).

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The open space can be dotted with clumps to micro around, or maybe you can add some more high ground structure or additional large negative space elements. It will depend on what you do with the corners. The 4th especially should be tucked further back, or it should be much more protected from a direct route from the enemy natural and center 4th.

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On August 19 2012 06:14 TehTemplar wrote:

Not sure how I'll fix the center base (that is what you are referring to right). I'll add some clumps.

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Actually I meant the vertical 4th. What I mean is that if you take the 4th along the edge from your 3rd, if you want to defend it with your army, you are now completely across the map from your natural. The distance is about the same between the enemy's natural and your 4th as your own natural and your 4th. Along with the openness, it means that you have to have perfect scouting to ever have a hope of keeping your 4th base, unless you're really far ahead anyway.

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On top of that, the enemy can expand towards your 4th by taking the middle base. That's really bad if you're zerg and your 4th and 5th are both "countered" by one enemy position. Now you have an island, which sort of mitigates the extent of the problem but the 4th is still as bad if not worse because it's even more open. I'd like to see some kind of intervening terrain between the edge 4th and the center of the map. And I'd like the distance increased between the edge 4th and the enemy's side.

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About towers, I was just curious if you left them out for a reason, since such an open map (originally) seemed like the kind that needs towers to make the space manageable. If you put them close on either side of the rocks, I think it makes center control too strong since you could easily hold both towers and see most of all the routes across the map. Maybe they can be pulled further away from the rocks? Or even go on the outside of the high ground, giving a sort of Belshir Beach effect.

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On August 19 2012 11:15 DigitalD[562] wrote:
I came up with a couple of ideas for the center to reduce the extreame openness.

The first is more conservative, with a simple high dividing up the map with a few ramps. Drocks remain to open up the map in the mid game.



This second one is a bit of a stretch but it's basically the first idea but the center high ground connects from the third bases. The thirds may also need to be raised to high ground to avoid shenanigans with blink stalkers before the obs gets out. The purple area I'm not to sure about. Maybe a lowground area like in the previous image. Or two ramps on either side of the high ground blocked by rocks.

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On August 19 2012 21:04 PiPoGevy wrote:
If I was a zerg I use a Roach/Bling/Ling style as I would love to draw the Terran out to his third, get a great concave while possibly dropping the main

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