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| The_Templar United States. August 19 2012 23:00. Posts 4039 | Profile Blog # |
I do not believe those center bases are completely necessary. Everyone will focus on controlling the middle since you have 2 gold bases right next to each other.
REALLLY pretty though O_O |
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| killy666 France. August 20 2012 00:06. Posts 157 | Profile # |
| The center is interesting, it's antiga-shipyard-y and the battle in the middle for positions are always interesting imho on antiga shipyard. One thing i don't really like though is the fact that the 4th is pretty easy to take once you get the 3rd. It'd bad thing because it favors split map / ultra late game play, and defensive deathball play too much, and would prolly favor zerg a bit too much too. |
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| NewSunshine United States. August 20 2012 01:02. Posts 1021 | Profile # |
On August 20 2012 00:35 a176 wrote:
how do you ffe?
With the ramp...? |
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| monitor United States. August 20 2012 01:30. Posts 2280 | Profile Blog # |
On August 20 2012 01:02 NewSunshine wrote:With the ramp...?
Yeah basically you put down a pylon at 9, then to be safe, throw down your forge at 14. I like a 16 or 17 nexus, and placing the cannon depends on when the opponent put down their pool and if you got pylon blocks. |
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| Infidler Norway. August 20 2012 02:55. Posts 43 | Profile # |
On August 20 2012 00:35 a176 wrote:
how do you ffe?
haha:D
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| Glexarn United States. August 20 2012 04:29. Posts 40 | Profile # |
On August 20 2012 00:35 a176 wrote:
how do you ffe?
Exactly the same way you FFE on Shakuras - that is, one of the easiest FFEs ever. |
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| FlaShFTW United States. August 20 2012 05:31. Posts 4961 | Profile Blog # |
| 3rd/4th are too close imo. |
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| a176 Canada. August 20 2012 05:58. Posts 5429 | Profile Blog # |
On August 20 2012 02:55 Infidler wrote:haha:D
yes
right
wasnt thinking straight when i posted that,  |
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| killy666 France. August 20 2012 06:00. Posts 157 | Profile # |
On August 20 2012 05:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
3rd/4th are too close imo.
Completely agree. |
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| Callynn Netherlands. August 20 2012 20:45. Posts 877 | Profile # |
On August 20 2012 00:06 killy666 wrote:
One thing i don't really like though is the fact that the 4th is pretty easy to take once you get the 3rd. Its a bad thing because it favors split map / ultra late game play, and defensive deathball play too much, and would prolly favor zerg a bit too much too.
Totally agree, simply put impassable terrain between the 3rd and the fourth to make it harder to take and defend, then this map is ready for playing.
I actually think the middle is fine, because it has no high ground + XWT. The high ground + XWT on antiga is what makes that map slightly favoring terran (until we get Tempests and Vipers of course  ) |
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| Zrana United Kingdom. August 20 2012 22:38. Posts 675 | Profile Blog # |
I really like the look of this map, though maybe it's a little too easy to take and hold 4 bases quickly.
Maybe remove these rocks to open up the 4ths to attack a little more: -
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TiyVB.jpg)
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| Infidler Norway. August 20 2012 22:42. Posts 43 | Profile # |
On August 20 2012 22:38 Zrana wrote:I really like the look of this map, though maybe it's a little too easy to take and hold 4 bases quickly. Maybe remove these rocks to open up the 4ths to attack a little more: - What do you think?
I will try that later today, thanks for all the feedback guys
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| FlaShFTW United States. August 21 2012 01:50. Posts 4961 | Profile Blog # |
| as a matter of fact, id like to see the 4th moves more to a taldarim styled, where its like right underneath the other base's natural. this will allow for an optional 3rd instead of the usual one to counter act spawn imbalances. |
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| OxyGenesis United Kingdom. August 21 2012 02:12. Posts 278 | Profile # |
I dislike forced cross 4p maps. If you are going to make it forced cross, why not just do a 2p map instead? I guess the middle plays out slightly differently depending on spawn locations but on this map I don't see it making very much of a difference.
That said, if you just move the 4th round towards the nat like FlashFTW suggests then this map might actually work with all spawns enabled. You might have to rejig the nat a bit so that the 3rds are equidistant and the minerals can't be sieged from the low ground.
18 bases is too many for a map imo. If you want to keep the bases in the middle I would suggest making all the other low ground bases 6m1g. The middle bases right now aren't really viable unless you are already way ahead (known as winner bases) If you imagine how hard Antiga's centre bases are to take, these are bordering on impossible. I would suggest either turning them round (so they face outwards rather than inwards) or moving them closer to the edges of the map (probably so they are out of range of the XNT.
Also right now there is a lot of space behind the mains and nats, I would suggest changing their shape a bit to better utilise the space (unless there is some specific reason they are like that?)
I like the aesthetics. Might be nicer if there was a bit more green in the grassy bits.
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| Fatam August 21 2012 15:20. Posts 941 | Profile # |
Oxy you touched on the reason why I don't really see the point of 4 player maps in 1v1. There has yet to be one made in SC2 that is balanced for anything but forced-cross spawn (a few are --sort of-- balanced for certain non-cross spawns, but not quite), yet if you're going to force cross-spawns then it's just a 2 player map with (likely) less flavor.
That isn't a bash on this map though, it is super solid and seems like it would be a fun play. Aesthetics are good. Just me going on a slight tangent. |
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