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| MustNotSleep United States. August 21 2012 15:43. Posts 8 | Profile # |
| What really makes Batman is the villains. There are no banes in the real world, Joker is probably the closest thing to a realistic villain but again it would really take a Batman to end him. . . (insert Heath Ledger dead joke) Batman is a feasible character but in the end what purpose would he really serve in the community. |
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| 501TFX Austria. August 21 2012 15:44. Posts 323 | Profile # |
Now I'm interested, what about the Joker than? (The TDK version) Would this guy theoretically be possible with the right connections and the right amount of mental illness mixed with genius? (Besides the fact, that he was just after Batman)Last edit: 2012-08-21 15:45:33 |
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| kwizach August 21 2012 15:44. Posts 1208 | Profile # |
| Thanks PanoRaMa, that guy nailed it. My thoughts exactly. |
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| Euronyme Sweden. August 21 2012 15:46. Posts 3781 | Profile # |
On August 21 2012 15:30 madcow305 wrote: Why are you specifically mentioning Batman as an example of a superhero without superpowers? There are plenty of others who fill that quota.
Ironman and Captain America come to mind. Yes, Cap received a formula that makes him stronger and faster, but the formula only upgrades a person to peak human levels, so technically anything that Captain America can do can also be replicated by a normal person with long amounts of training, or other non-superpowered superheros.
I recall reading a comic book where he took part. There's something with his shield acting as a boomerang and it's indestructible and stuff as well. He's also way past human peak abilities. You might as well argue that spider man is possible if you get a hold of a radiated spider.
The only part about being batman that really sucks is that you have to find criminals while they're working. It just seems really tricky. |
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| MaV_gGSC Canada. August 21 2012 15:47. Posts 1306 | Profile Blog # |
On August 21 2012 15:35 b0mBerMan wrote:Thanks for that post Panorama. Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 15:30 madcow305 wrote: Why are you specifically mentioning Batman as an example of a superhero without superpowers? There are plenty of others who fill that quota.
Ironman and Captain America come to mind. Yes, Cap received a formula that makes him stronger and faster, but the formula only upgrades a person to peak human levels, so technically anything that Captain America can do can also be replicated by a normal person with long amounts of training, or other non-superpowered superheros.
Ironman has a nuclear-fusion-reactor-whatever for a heart, so that's something like a superpower to me lol
I don't think he has it as a heart. It's there to prevent the shrapnel from Ironman 1 to penetrate his heart since they are all moving in the direction of his heart because of emg or something. |
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| YejinYejin United States. August 21 2012 15:48. Posts 1039 | Profile Blog # |
| Even if it were possible, it wouldn't be useful. The only reason becoming Batman works in the comics is because of the ubiquitous corruption in Gotham, with the mob being in all levels of government and law enforcement. In real life, organized crime does not have that much reach, and with the amount of money that Bruce Wayne has, you wouldn't do that much good dressing up as a hero and beating up petty criminals. If you have as much money as Bill Gates, just do what Bill Gates is doing. The good done by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is pretty incredible. |
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| Mvrio August 21 2012 15:49. Posts 598 | Profile # |
| yes, billionaires that can do what they like first comes to mind is Roman Abrimovich (Russian oil and owner of Chelsea FC) and another chinese billionaire. honestly dont think an american would attempt to be batman |
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| Telcontar United Kingdom. August 21 2012 15:50. Posts 15848 | Profile # |
| Not Batman as we know him, but a vigilante with vast resources and means? Sure. It'll probably never happen though. Morality and a sense of justice is in short supply amongst the super-rich, and I doubt any will push themselves to the limit to fight the criminal world. |
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| Novalisk Israel. August 21 2012 15:51. Posts 1769 | Profile Blog # |
| Big Daddy would be a more realistic goal. And we all know what happened to him. |
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| b0mBerMan Japan. August 21 2012 15:52. Posts 267 | Profile # |
More posts from quora as linked by Panorama in page 1:
Greg Gentschev Just for kicks, I'm going to take the opposite side of the debate from Mark's brilliant answer. My main problem with his take on it is that it kind of ignores the premise of Batman. In my mind, the question isn't whether anyone could become Batman, it's whether a person with the right situation, talents, and personality could.
Bruce Wayne's parents were killed when he was around 10, so let's assume he starts training then. Plus, he's the heir to a fortune of billions. Those factors solve a lot of the timeline and equipment issues right there.
Does Batman even go to college? I don't think so. In public, he's a dissolute billionaire playboy, and in reality he's an obsessive crime fighter. Neither of those really requires a degree! So he has more time for real preparation. And you sort of have to assume that Batman (Batman!) has an incredible level of motivation as well as intelligence and physical talent.
I do think a "real world" Batman would have to operate a bit differently from what we see in the movies. He would rely a lot more on surveillance, incapacitating enemies from a distance, setting traps and stings, informants, etc. The whole idea of getting into a firefight or fistfight every night just wouldn't work. So you have to interpret those kinds of events as exceptions instead of regular events, which I think is an acceptable read on the comics or movies. Much of his training would be focused on handling and surviving situations where things go awry, but he would try to avoid those exceptions as much as possible. Plus, swinging around town to find crimes is completely unrealistic. That's why he would need more surveillance and advance planning.
Maybe that doesn't sound like Batman to you, but I'm ok with a slightly more realistic version. He would have much of Gotham under surveillance of some kind, and he would spend his time going after criminals the police can't prosecute and organized crime, not patrolling the streets hoping to get lucky.
Phil Wolff The qualifications are time, effort, focus, technology and youth. Oh, and several folks mentioned money. So let's start with money.
I'm going to assume our Batman (comics, movie and creative franchise) candidate is an American Billionaire. So if you're not one of the 410 people on the Forbes 2011 list of the wealthiest people in the US, you're not going to be Batman. (http://www.forbes.com/wealth/bil...)
Provisioning Batman, even before globalization with Batman Incorporated, is at least a billion dollar project. When you're buying or building cars, computers, weapons, and facilities at the state of the art instead of the state of the market (after the manufacturing learning curve), you pay a stiff premium. Buy secretly and you'll pay even more. To stay a billionaire after spending a billion on your Batfleet etc., you must start with $2 billion. That cuts the Forbes list in half, to 219 people worth $2 billion in 2011.
How about youth? Let's set an arbitrary cut off of 60 years old to allow for the long hours and physical endurance required of the training, the job the public life, physical therapy and counseling at Arkham Asylum. That leaves Warren Buffet out but Larry Page and Bill Gates in. If you're not on this list, you cannot become Batman. (And perhaps one of these folks is already in training or is already leading a double life, but that's another question. I'll leave it as an exercise for our Quora Community to further winnow the list based on talent, aptitude, and inclination.)
Under 30 #52 Mark Zuckerberg, 26. $13.5 B, Facebook. #420 Dustin Moskovitz, 26. $2.7 B, Facebook. #362 Scott Duncan, 28. $3.1 B, pipelines.
Under 40 #24 Larry Page, 37. $19.8 B, Google. #24 Sergey Brin, 37. $19.8 B, Google. #336 John Arnold, 37. $3.3 B, hedge funds. #268 Daniel Ziff, 39. $4 B, hedge funds.
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| Aerisky United States. August 21 2012 15:52. Posts 9195 | Profile Blog # |
| Also to be fair, there's a reason superheroes are super and not just heroes. Captain America has a shield made out of vibranium which can block anything or something like that and completely negates vibrations. Iron Man also would require assloads of money and a fusion-core reactor yar. Batman as well has unrealistic. The point nowadays is to make a completely unfeasible thing seem plausible in our modern world. They also like to have some scientific things (they don't take themselves completely seriously of course, but there's usually some semi-scientific explanation). But yeah, essentially any superhero is impossible, even the non-powered-up ones. |
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| Oaky United States. August 21 2012 15:52. Posts 95 | Profile # |
| Much more practical to just become a cop and push papers, its the power of many that is strong! |
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| Itsmedudeman United States. August 21 2012 15:56. Posts 8493 | Profile Blog # |
| The bat would cost much more than 60 mill. It'd be in the trillions to have it engineered and manufactured. |
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| MaV_gGSC Canada. August 21 2012 16:00. Posts 1306 | Profile Blog # |
| Imho Ironman would be better since he cant actually be used outside of fighting crime. Ironman can fight wars etc. But Batman is limited to fighting villains and these villains have to be REALLY bad for him to act upon them. |
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| Aerisky United States. August 21 2012 16:00. Posts 9195 | Profile Blog # |
On August 21 2012 15:56 Itsmedudeman wrote: The bat would cost much more than 60 mill. It'd be in the trillions to have it engineered and manufactured.
Okay no way it would be in the trillions, but I think it would hit at least several billion probably. For perspective's sake, the entirety of NASA's Apollo project (when NASA's budget was peaking) was about $80 bil in 2005 USD. |
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| Zahir United States. August 21 2012 16:03. Posts 908 | Profile # |
I think a "realistic" batman is certainly possible. Use your money and power to become mayor, convert the entire police force to your personal control. Buy/earn their loyalty, use your massive corporation and funds you inherited to devise better and widespread surveillance networks, informants, a kickass local DA/judiciary dream team. Eventually have tens of thousands of drones patrolling the city at all hours. You won't stop every crime before it happens, but you will stop criminals before their careers can really get started. That will leave only one time spree killers/criminals and the most petty forms of crime. Both of those could in turn be reduced with solid domestic programs. Congrats, you just did the extraordinary and nearly eradicated crime.
This makes you less of a dark knight than a benign dictator running a mini police state, but hey, can't have everything.
Becoming a villain like the joker would be much, much easier actually. The us government would eventually kill you, but if you were a real genius, really determined and amoral and a master of the sciences, you could wreak incredible havoc for several years.
I guess my ideas kind of miss the poInt of this thread though. I'm just not sure what balance to strike between mundane but insanely effective public figure and quirky but ultimately inefficient lone wolf operating in the dark, with no public identity/influence over the masses to help accomplish my goals.Last edit: 2012-08-21 16:08:12 |
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| NoMicroWin United States. August 21 2012 16:03. Posts 590 | Profile Blog # |
On August 21 2012 15:56 Itsmedudeman wrote: The bat would cost much more than 60 mill. It'd be in the trillions to have it engineered and manufactured.
Lol, right, trillions for technology we mostly have already. |
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| AUFKLARUNG Germany. August 21 2012 16:03. Posts 211 | Profile # |
A few highlights and summaries from a Scientific American article on this issue, when TDKR was all the hype:
"There's a quote from Neal Adams, the great Batman illustrator, who said Batman would win, place or show in every event in the Olympics. Probably if I were Batman's handler, I'd put him in the decathlon. Although Batman is shown in the comics as being the fastest and the strongest and all these other things, in reality you can't actually be all of that at once. To be Batman properly, what you really need to do is be exceptionally good at many different things. It's when you take all the pieces and put them together that you get the Batman."
"In some of the timelines you see in the comics, the backstory is he goes away for five years—some it's three to five years, or eight years, or 12 years. "
"The difficulty for Batman is he's going to be trying to sleep during the day. He's going to be really tired, actually, unless he can shift himself over to just being up at night. If he were just a nocturnal guy, he would actually be a lot healthier and have a lot better sleep than if he were doing what he does now, which is getting some light here and there. That's going to mess up his sleep patterns and duration of sleep."
"If you found the percentage of billionaires and multiply that by the percentage of people who become Olympic decathletes, you could probably get a close estimate. The really important thing is just how much a human being really can do. There's such a huge range of performance and ability you can tap into."
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NeMeSiS3 Canada. August 21 2012 16:29. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
| I shall prove all of you nay sayers wrong ^^ |
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| DannyJ United States. August 21 2012 16:31. Posts 3712 | Profile # |
| His manor and Batcave take up most of the cost. One doesn't necessarily need those... |
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