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| VY Canis Majoris Sweden. August 22 2012 14:21. Posts 30 | Profile # |
Yet another space geek thread. People are really warming up to Mars! Next: Mars Colony 2020?
India plans to send a small, crewless satellite to orbit Mars in what would be its first visit to the planet.
On Friday, the Indian cabinet cleared a proposal from the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) for a launch in November 2013. The agency will use its Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle, the same rocket that sent Chandrayaan-1 on a successful mission around the moon in 2008. The government has already allocated about $41 million for the Mars mission, which will cost an estimated $112 million.
The satellite will carry up to 25 kg of scientific instruments and track a highly elliptical orbit—500 km by 80,000 km—around the Red Planet. Although details are not available, ISRO officials said the mission’s goal is to remotely assess “climate, geology, and the origin, evolution, and sustainability of life on the planet.”
No word on whether there will be opportunities for international collaboration. Chandrayaan-1 carried instruments from NASA, the European Space Agency, and Bulgaria.
ISRO: http://isro.gov.in/
News: http://www.space.com/17159-india-mars-mission-2013.html
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 {CC}StealthBlue United States. August 22 2012 15:15. Posts 15285 | Profile Blog # |
I'm willing to bet we hear an update/news on the funding for the ExoMars Mission and even Russia's reboot of the Phobos-Grunt mission pretty soon.
Space Race to Mars? Hope so.Last edit: 2012-08-22 15:16:33 |
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| Dreamer.T United States. August 22 2012 15:17. Posts 1556 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 15:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'm willing to bet we hear an update/news on the funding for the ExoMars Mission and even Russia's reboot of the Phobos-Grunt mission pretty soon.
Space Race to Mars? Hope so.
Everyone else fighting for second place, unless you were talking about manned missions.Last edit: 2012-08-22 15:18:31 |
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| Skilledblob Germany. August 22 2012 18:03. Posts 2646 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 15:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'm willing to bet we hear an update/news on the funding for the ExoMars Mission and even Russia's reboot of the Phobos-Grunt mission pretty soon.
Space Race to Mars? Hope so.
it's silly though. THe space agencies should work together and combine their budgets and not each send the same stuff there just in 4 different variations |
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| b0mBerMan Japan. August 22 2012 18:08. Posts 267 | Profile # |
| B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic. |
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| Passion Netherlands. August 22 2012 18:20. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
See it as a 112 million advertising campaign. Well worth it. |
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| b0mBerMan Japan. August 22 2012 18:25. Posts 267 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 18:20 Passion wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
See it as a 112 million advertising campaign. Well worth it.
what exactly are they advertising? |
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| tertos Romania. August 22 2012 18:26. Posts 197 | Profile # |
And a One, Two, Three, Four
I declare Mars wars
Edit*
Sometimes I have the feeling that human beeings NEVER grow up beyond 6 years mentality, they just bet better at concealing it.
Yes I'm talking about me.Last edit: 2012-08-22 18:28:41 |
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| Passion Netherlands. August 22 2012 18:40. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 18:25 b0mBerMan wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:20 Passion wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
See it as a 112 million advertising campaign. Well worth it.
what exactly are they advertising?
India. Showing that they're a serious nation / economy, capable of doing the most innovative projects around. Trying to change the image they have in many people's eyes (including yours given the previoius post); an underdeveloped nation. |
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| tertos Romania. August 22 2012 18:43. Posts 197 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 18:40 Passion wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:25 b0mBerMan wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:20 Passion wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
See it as a 112 million advertising campaign. Well worth it.
what exactly are they advertising?
India. Showing that they're a serious nation / economy, capable of doing the most innovative projects around. Trying to change the image they have in many people's eyes (including yours given the previoius post); an underdeveloped nation.
We already know that they are a serios nation/economy, capable of doing the most innovatiove projects around.
99% of the world tech support is there ffs 
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| Passion Netherlands. August 22 2012 18:44. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 18:43 tertos wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:40 Passion wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:25 b0mBerMan wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:20 Passion wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
See it as a 112 million advertising campaign. Well worth it.
what exactly are they advertising?
India. Showing that they're a serious nation / economy, capable of doing the most innovative projects around. Trying to change the image they have in many people's eyes (including yours given the previoius post); an underdeveloped nation.
We already know that they are a serios nation/economy, capable of doing the most innovatiove projects around. 99% of the world tech support is there ffs
When has tech support ever given you a good / better impression of a company, let alone a nation! |
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| Flamingo777 United States. August 22 2012 18:44. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
| Seems like the US is making other countries interested in Mars as well. I'm sure that's well in line with our space program's intentions. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 22 2012 20:13. Posts 3572 | Profile Blog # |
On August 22 2012 18:40 Passion wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:25 b0mBerMan wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:20 Passion wrote:
On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
See it as a 112 million advertising campaign. Well worth it.
what exactly are they advertising?
India. Showing that they're a serious nation / economy, capable of doing the most innovative projects around. Trying to change the image they have in many people's eyes (including yours given the previoius post); an underdeveloped nation.
I'm also not sure this is the best use of India's money, but for precisely the reason you state:
Launching a rocket into space is not an indication of overall economic development. Any nation with a sufficiently big rocket can put something into an elliptical orbit around Mars. But building a giant rocket is a) not going to get that country any significant return on its investment, and b) India has other problems which make it look underdeveloped, and which that 112 million would go a long way to fixing.
Case in point: a couple weeks ago India suffered blackouts (a classic cascade failure) that affected nearly 600 million people. A lot of it was due to local power companies refusing to institute controlled brownouts to lessen the strain on the national grid. Instead of spending that 112 million on a big rocket, wouldn't it make more sense to inject into the national power company to buy out all the local power companies, so that the entire national grid could be controlled from Delhi? Wouldn't it also make sense to spend that money on upgrading the voltages across the entire grid so that a) less power is lost in transmission and b) people can no longer steal power because the voltages will be too high for household use until it's stepped down at approved locations?
That's just one example, of course. But a power outage, while making India look bad, wouldn't even be the largest bottleneck that India faces: look at the state of transportation across the country. India is an agricultural nation which has to feed 1 billion people. Yet nearly 25% of its annual crop is lost to poor transportation as food simply rots between the farm and the supermarket. Maybe some of that 112 million could go buying refrigerated transport trucks, or upgrading highways between the fields of Punjab and Delhi? Or maybe building the appropriate grain silos so spoilage and pests don't consume nearly 4x as much rice per ton produced as they do in, say, the United States?
There are tons of things that India could spend its cash on that would make far more sense than building a giant cone of aluminum and hydrogen peroxide fuel with a 50kg tinker toy on top. |
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 kollin United Kingdom. August 22 2012 20:17. Posts 4154 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm wetting myself in excitement for the next 10-20 years or so. With countries actually getting a bit more interested in space, as well as private organisations like SpaceX and Planetary Resources, a Space Age MKII could well be upon us. |
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| nkr Sweden. August 22 2012 20:18. Posts 2797 | Profile Blog # |
On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
Yeah I'll bet your my nutsack that there are a lot more irrelevant shit getting a ton more of their budget. Cut that instead. |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 22 2012 20:20. Posts 3572 | Profile Blog # |
On August 22 2012 20:18 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:08 b0mBerMan wrote:
B-b-b-b-buutttttt... do they have the money for even? And even if they do, is it the best use of money at this time? I mean I am all for the NASA Mars mission since the US government was wasting money on the military, and space explorations deserve it better, and the mission actually has new goals, BUT what does India hope to achieve with this? I think of all the people in the starving impoverished Indian slums and how a satellite around Mars would be painfully ironic.
Yeah I'll bet your my nutsack that there are a lot more irrelevant shit getting a ton more of their budget. Cut that instead.
The point is though that India has better things to invest in. Regardless of whether there are shittier projects to look at first, shouldn't Indian politicians take action on at least something? |
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| Pandemona England. August 22 2012 20:21. Posts 9540 | Profile Blog # |
| This is going to get out of control fast. All be it i think its great all the countries are trying to get funding for their space missions to Mars, BUT look at what the bigger picture problem is going to be. Who gets Mars....Lets see colonies will be eventually made on Mars, and more people are able to go, who is going to have what rights and what area and how big of an Area. It will all end up in fighting over Mars >.< |
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| Morfildur Germany. August 22 2012 20:24. Posts 3488 | Profile Blog # |
On August 22 2012 18:03 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 15:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'm willing to bet we hear an update/news on the funding for the ExoMars Mission and even Russia's reboot of the Phobos-Grunt mission pretty soon.
Space Race to Mars? Hope so.
it's silly though. THe space agencies should work together and combine their budgets and not each send the same stuff there just in 4 different variations
Competition was what made the Moon Landing possible. Competition might be what makes the (manned) Mars Landing possible.
Though i doubt India will be successful... |
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| Shady Sands United States. August 22 2012 20:24. Posts 3572 | Profile Blog # |
On August 22 2012 20:21 Pandemona wrote:
This is going to get out of control fast. All be it i think its great all the countries are trying to get funding for their space missions to Mars, BUT look at what the bigger picture problem is going to be. Who gets Mars....Lets see colonies will be eventually made on Mars, and more people are able to go, who is going to have what rights and what area and how big of an Area. It will all end up in fighting over Mars >.<
That's actually very far off. Even if launch costs drop enough to allow us to put enough metal and warm bodies onto another planet for actual resource extraction to occur, Mars is freaking huge. There's as much land area on Mars as there is on Earth (since 70% of Earth is covered by water.) |
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| Pandemona England. August 22 2012 20:29. Posts 9540 | Profile Blog # |
On August 22 2012 20:24 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 20:21 Pandemona wrote:
This is going to get out of control fast. All be it i think its great all the countries are trying to get funding for their space missions to Mars, BUT look at what the bigger picture problem is going to be. Who gets Mars....Lets see colonies will be eventually made on Mars, and more people are able to go, who is going to have what rights and what area and how big of an Area. It will all end up in fighting over Mars >.<
That's actually very far off. Even if launch costs drop enough to allow us to put enough metal and warm bodies onto another planet for actual resource extraction to occur, Mars is freaking huge. There's as much land area on Mars as there is on Earth (since 70% of Earth is covered by water.)
Yeh i understand that, but land is valuable as you know. More land = more divisions will be needed? How can you divide up the land which is not owned by anyone? And people claiming it etcetc. It will all get very messy if that ever happens of courseLast edit: 2012-08-22 20:29:15 |
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