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| Frigo Hungary. August 23 2012 17:06. Posts 980 | Profile # |
Sure it causes obesity. I mean they are fatter than they would be without taking proper medicine (that is, being skeletons in a coffin). Quick, let's ban it!
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| Newbistic China. August 23 2012 17:19. Posts 2911 | Profile Blog # |
If only there were some method to eat only the amount of food you need to eat, and then possibly move your muscles in a way that will allow you to expend energy and get healthier. Damn, I can't think of anything.
It's nice to be doing research, but meanwhile the most practical thing to do isn't to look for excuses. People can still be healthy if they try. |
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| pred470r Bulgaria. August 23 2012 17:22. Posts 3129 | Profile Blog # |
On August 23 2012 17:19 Newbistic wrote:
If only there were some method to eat only the amount of food you need to eat, and then possibly move your muscles in a way that will allow you to expend energy and get healthier. Damn, I can't think of anything.
It's nice to be doing research, but meanwhile the most practical thing to do isn't to look for excuses. People can still be healthy if they try.
Yes there are such methods. The first is: don't eat until your stomach hurts. And the second is: Every 1 or 2 days go to the gym and exercise for about an hour. |
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 zalz Netherlands. August 23 2012 17:30. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
People eat 3000-4000 calories on an average day and sit on their ass all day.
It isn't a mystery why they get fat. Only something like 2% has a medical reason for being obese. |
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| ggrrg Bulgaria. August 23 2012 17:31. Posts 1933 | Profile Blog # |
They findings suggest that antibiotic use during the first 6 months of a baby's life might cause excessive weight gain during early childhood.
Consindering that infants (as well as children and to a certain degree adolescents for that matter) are given antibiotics only in extreme (rare) cases, suggesting that antibiotics contribute to any significant portion of obesity amongst US citizens is absurd. Generally, it is an interesting phenomenon, but when you have to take into account that many of these infants might not have even survived without the medicine.
I wonder how many obese people will be complaining about the irresponsible use of antibiotics to their peers next time they sit in a mcdonalds and stuff themselves with a large menu before ordering the 1100 kcal strawberry shake as a dessert... |
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| Appendix Sweden. August 23 2012 17:34. Posts 598 | Profile # |
Interesting finds. Another clue how our bodies function in modern society.
On August 23 2012 17:19 Newbistic wrote:
If only there were some method to eat only the amount of food you need to eat, and then possibly move your muscles in a way that will allow you to expend energy and get healthier. Damn, I can't think of anything.
It's nice to be doing research, but meanwhile the most practical thing to do isn't to look for excuses. People can still be healthy if they try.
It's not about finding excuses. You have to make a difference between societal and individual perspective. To the individual this is probably more or less insignificant, but as a society it can be of value to know. Especially since the effects of the findings are in line with the overall need to keep the use of antibiotics down.Last edit: 2012-08-23 17:35:23 |
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| Newbistic China. August 23 2012 17:47. Posts 2911 | Profile Blog # |
On August 23 2012 17:34 Appendix wrote:Interesting finds. Another clue how our bodies function in modern society.
Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:19 Newbistic wrote:
If only there were some method to eat only the amount of food you need to eat, and then possibly move your muscles in a way that will allow you to expend energy and get healthier. Damn, I can't think of anything.
It's nice to be doing research, but meanwhile the most practical thing to do isn't to look for excuses. People can still be healthy if they try.
It's not about finding excuses. You have to make a difference between societal and individual perspective. To the individual this is probably more or less insignificant, but as a society it can be of value to know. Especially since the effects of the findings are in line with the overall need to keep the use of antibiotics down.
A fair point. But you can't so cleanly separate the two perspectives. If society knows, individuals know. It's perfectly fine if an individual is considered overweight but doesn't care or is comfortable with it, but for individuals who wish to lose weight but don't have the willpower, this could be used as an easy excuse.
If your reasoning is correct (and I think it makes sense), the finding would have both benefits and detriments to society and the individuals which reside in it. |
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| Appendix Sweden. August 23 2012 18:06. Posts 598 | Profile # |
On August 23 2012 17:47 Newbistic wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:34 Appendix wrote:Interesting finds. Another clue how our bodies function in modern society.
On August 23 2012 17:19 Newbistic wrote:
If only there were some method to eat only the amount of food you need to eat, and then possibly move your muscles in a way that will allow you to expend energy and get healthier. Damn, I can't think of anything.
It's nice to be doing research, but meanwhile the most practical thing to do isn't to look for excuses. People can still be healthy if they try.
It's not about finding excuses. You have to make a difference between societal and individual perspective. To the individual this is probably more or less insignificant, but as a society it can be of value to know. Especially since the effects of the findings are in line with the overall need to keep the use of antibiotics down.
A fair point. But you can't so cleanly separate the two perspectives. If society knows, individuals know. It's perfectly fine if an individual is considered overweight but doesn't care or is comfortable with it, but for individuals who wish to lose weight but don't have the willpower, this could be used as an easy excuse. If your reasoning is correct (and I think it makes sense), the finding would have both benefits and detriments to society and the individuals which reside in it.
It seldom is all black and white, but regarding the issue of finding excuses for your destructive life choices the department is not empty. If you hadn't found the scapegoat of your choice yet you'd have to be blind. This study I would argue is just a drop in the ocean in that regard, and won't affect the basic decision in the background for anyone, the decision of personal responsibility. |
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| Angryhorse Sweden. August 23 2012 18:06. Posts 373 | Profile # |
On August 23 2012 17:30 zalz wrote:
People eat 3000-4000 calories on an average day and sit on their ass all day.
It isn't a mystery why they get fat. Only something like 2% has a medical reason for being obese.
This. |
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| Passion Netherlands. August 23 2012 18:16. Posts 1265 | Profile # |
On August 23 2012 17:06 Frigo wrote:
Sure it causes obesity. I mean they are fatter than they would be without taking proper medicine (that is, being skeletons in a coffin). Quick, let's ban it!
In the huge majority of cases where antibiotics are prescribed, they aren't necessary. Other than this obesity topic, this is already causing a huge problem of increased resistance. So yea, maybe not necessarily ban it, but carefully considering per case whether they are necessary sounds like a plan. |
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| Swwww Switzerland. August 23 2012 18:22. Posts 799 | Profile Blog # |
Oh look more retards jumping on the anti antibiotic train...
User was temp banned for this post. |
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| blug Australia. August 23 2012 18:24. Posts 613 | Profile # |
On August 23 2012 17:30 zalz wrote:
People eat 3000-4000 calories on an average day and sit on their ass all day.
It isn't a mystery why they get fat. Only something like 2% has a medical reason for being obese.
I'll agree with this. I used to be chubby and it was because I went to Mcdonalds 1 a day to get my daily fix. I stopped doing that and now I'm skinny.
I don't think Antibiotics force you to go to Mcdonalds. |
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| gugarutz Austria. August 23 2012 18:39. Posts 110 | Profile # |
from the first link:
Antibiotics administered in low doses have been widely used as growth promoters in the agricultural industry since the 1950s, yet the mechanisms for this effect are unclear.
today i already read into antibiotics since i'm a bit sick and scared to take them.. this quote just shows again that i shouldnt trust school medicine lol. so many things aren't clear about how stuff (medicine works) but i was always raised to take what the doctor says lol, without question!
antibiotics should imo be used just if it is really necessary, this study is interesting but not really helpful with obesity in america, people should rather look at what they eat and how they live and not follow the group and eat mcdonalds everyday and take medicine if something feels inconvenient...
On August 23 2012 18:22 Swwww wrote:
Oh look more retards jumping on the anti antibiotic train...
you should rather give value to the thread and explain yourself, your comment is plain retarded itself. there is a thread to rant if that's what you want to do.Last edit: 2012-08-23 18:43:33 |
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| Traeon Austria. August 23 2012 18:57. Posts 354 | Profile # |
| There is a relationship between the bacteria living in the human gut and obesity (and a lot of other problems). It's also known that antibiotics alter the gut flora. |
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| mcc Czech Republic. August 23 2012 19:01. Posts 3763 | Profile # |
On August 23 2012 18:22 Swwww wrote:
Oh look more retards jumping on the anti antibiotic train...
Antibiotics are used unnecessarily in extremely large number of cases and they are not harmless. There are many reasons to limit use of antibiotics even ignoring this possible link. Actually even if the link from OP would be confirmed, it would be weak and unimportant reason to limit their use compared to the ones we already have. |
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| mcc Czech Republic. August 23 2012 19:03. Posts 3763 | Profile # |
On August 23 2012 18:24 blug wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:30 zalz wrote:
People eat 3000-4000 calories on an average day and sit on their ass all day.
It isn't a mystery why they get fat. Only something like 2% has a medical reason for being obese.
I'll agree with this. I used to be chubby and it was because I went to Mcdonalds 1 a day to get my daily fix. I stopped doing that and now I'm skinny. I don't think Antibiotics force you to go to Mcdonalds.
They are talking about statistical link, not that every case of obesity is caused by antibiotics or even solely caused by antibiotics. |
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| Kurr Canada. August 23 2012 19:51. Posts 2184 | Profile Blog # |
On August 23 2012 18:39 gugarutz wrote:from the first link:
Show nested quote +Antibiotics administered in low doses have been widely used as growth promoters in the agricultural industry since the 1950s, yet the mechanisms for this effect are unclear.
today i already read into antibiotics since i'm a bit sick and scared to take them.. this quote just shows again that i shouldnt trust school medicine lol. so many things aren't clear about how stuff (medicine works) but i was always raised to take what the doctor says lol, without question! antibiotics should imo be used just if it is really necessary, this study is interesting but not really helpful with obesity in america, people should rather look at what they eat and how they live and not follow the group and eat mcdonalds everyday and take medicine if something feels inconvenient...
Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 18:22 Swwww wrote:
Oh look more retards jumping on the anti antibiotic train...
you should rather give value to the thread and explain yourself, your comment is plain retarded itself. there is a thread to rant if that's what you want to do.
Antibiotic use is already regulated because of the possibility for the bacterias to become resistant. It's also why antibiotics are prescribed by doctors and not openly sold in pharmacies.
The fact that antibiotics can affect the intestinal flora is not exactly ground breaking news, it's been known for... well, ever since we started using them I imagine. It's one of the reasons a lot of antibiotics can cause diarrhea and other gastrointestinal problems.
Finally, the fact that we don't know the exact mechanism of action for some medication is true. What we DO know is their effect, their side effects, their interactions with other medication, how they are absorbed and distributed in the body, etc.
No medication is allowed to be sold if it didn't pass pretty rigorous side effect testing and such. Don't get me wrong, sometimes a very rare side effect is missed and the medication gets taken off the market or new recommendations for usage are made to doctors/pharmacists/etc to avoid issue (for example, if the rare side effect is liver-related, not giving the medication to people with liver diseases) if such a thing happens, but that's incredibly rare.
*EDIT : And that's true of all medication (not knowing exact mechanism for some of them), not just antibiotics.Last edit: 2012-08-23 19:53:43 |
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| DwmC_Foefen Belgium. August 23 2012 19:58. Posts 2138 | Profile Blog # |
If you are fat there's like a 99% chance it's your own fault. Don't blame thyroidproblems, don't blame antibiotics don't blame anything but yourself. I refuse to believe antibiotics are the cause for millions of fatasses  . No empathy whatsoever. |
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| askTeivospy August 23 2012 20:21. Posts 1495 | Profile Blog # |
On August 23 2012 19:58 DwmC_Foefen wrote:If you are fat there's like a 99% chance it's your own fault. Don't blame thyroidproblems, don't blame antibiotics don't blame anything but yourself. I refuse to believe antibiotics are the cause for millions of fatasses . No empathy whatsoever.
1% is a huge amount kid. if there is a link to antibiotics and obesity, you'd think people would be keen on improving current methods and protocols instead of sweeping this under the rug. It should be researched further and promoted, instead we get comments like this that are highly uneducated and terribly pretentious
bet you dont even know what pubmed is mr. no empathyLast edit: 2012-08-23 20:26:55 |
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