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| Earll Norway. August 23 2012 19:38. Posts 644 | Profile Blog # |
Captain of the mTw Dota 2 squad, Troels "syndereN" Nielsen answers a few personal questions and shares some thoughts regarding The International. How do you like the item shop idea, how would you feel about more funny items?"I'm cool with it, I think it adds a funny touch to the game, and I'm a big supporter of the workshop idea, namely that anyone from the community can design a funny/cool item and profit from it." Do you have any predictions as to what heroes will see more use in the International? Does mTw have any strategies prepared using more unconventional heroes?"Again, don't know. It's hard to predict, but I would be very surprised if we don't get to see the majority of the hero pool in play, perhaps with up to 5 heroes going completely unpicked and banned. Heroes which have been strong up until The International will also be strong at the event I believe, but we could see a shift in the popularity of certain heroes during the event if some teams are very successful with them." Do you think we will see anything of the casting duo of Tobi and syndereN on The International?"I definitely do. :D" Read the full interview here.
I always liked synderens casting with tobi, so its good to see that he thinks they will be casting together. A bit scared for how they will do after their rather lackluster showing at SEE, but hopefully it was just a fluke and mtw will tear it up at the international. Last edit: 2012-08-23 19:39:05 |
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| Bloodash Netherlands. August 23 2012 22:54. Posts 1113 | Profile # |
shame he doesn't stream their teamgames anymore, always insightful to watch! understandable tough  |
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| wcLLg United States. August 27 2012 16:22. Posts 189 | Profile # |
"...we could see a shift in the popularity of certain heroes during the event if some teams are very successful with them."
I think morf fits this description perfectly right now. |
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| TheStonerer Canada. August 27 2012 23:06. Posts 213 | Profile # |
On August 27 2012 16:22 wcLLg wrote:
"...we could see a shift in the popularity of certain heroes during the event if some teams are very successful with them."
I think morf fits this description perfectly right now.
Morph was already picked often after Quantic gave him to Korok when they came in strong on the scene. I guess Chinese also think Morph is beastly. |
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| cilinder007 Slovenia. August 27 2012 23:09. Posts 3231 | Profile # |
On August 27 2012 23:06 TheStonerer wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 16:22 wcLLg wrote:
"...we could see a shift in the popularity of certain heroes during the event if some teams are very successful with them."
I think morf fits this description perfectly right now.
Morph was already picked often after Quantic gave him to Korok when they came in strong on the scene. I guess Chinese also think Morph is beastly.
it had more to do with morphlings buffs, he's just too strong now |
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| Canas Sweden. August 28 2012 00:23. Posts 1459 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah but those buffs happened months ago. He's been a very popular pick pretty consistently for a while now, though it's been taken to an extreme with TI2. But yeah I do agree that icefrog should probably revert some of the buffs, but there weren't even that many, so it might be hard to find a good balance.
And rubick is clearly a bit too strong too, his ult can win fights by itself, and he can be run as either a VERY strong solo mid or he can be run just fine as a support too, some teams even experiment with running him as a hardlane solo, so he's a bit too versatile as he will fit into any team at any time.
If I was icefrog I'd probably revert the adaptive strike buff and change the cooldown back to 20 seconds and remove the aoe stun effect from telekinesis, but we'll just have to wait and see what ends up happening. |
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| Ralphy United States. August 28 2012 19:50. Posts 1 | Profile # |
On August 28 2012 00:23 Canas wrote:
Yeah but those buffs happened months ago. He's been a very popular pick pretty consistently for a while now, though it's been taken to an extreme with TI2. But yeah I do agree that icefrog should probably revert some of the buffs, but there weren't even that many, so it might be hard to find a good balance.
And rubick is clearly a bit too strong too, his ult can win fights by itself, and he can be run as either a VERY strong solo mid or he can be run just fine as a support too, some teams even experiment with running him as a hardlane solo, so he's a bit too versatile as he will fit into any team at any time.
If I was icefrog I'd probably revert the adaptive strike buff and change the cooldown back to 20 seconds and remove the aoe stun effect from telekinesis, but we'll just have to wait and see what ends up happening.
I don't see why they would nerf Morph. From my point of view if the banned heroes are considered stronger than Morph, shouldn't they be balanced first? Naga or Lycan for example with above 95% ban rates.
I just don't understand. If Morphling is so strong why is Brood being banned more than Morph? Morph sporting a 60% winrate while Brood has a 20% winrate yet Brood is banned twice as much.
Not to mention there are 15 heroes with more bans than Morph. Makes my head hurt thinking about it. |
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| lozarian United Kingdom. August 28 2012 20:02. Posts 631 | Profile Blog # |
On August 28 2012 19:50 Ralphy wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:23 Canas wrote:
Yeah but those buffs happened months ago. He's been a very popular pick pretty consistently for a while now, though it's been taken to an extreme with TI2. But yeah I do agree that icefrog should probably revert some of the buffs, but there weren't even that many, so it might be hard to find a good balance.
And rubick is clearly a bit too strong too, his ult can win fights by itself, and he can be run as either a VERY strong solo mid or he can be run just fine as a support too, some teams even experiment with running him as a hardlane solo, so he's a bit too versatile as he will fit into any team at any time.
If I was icefrog I'd probably revert the adaptive strike buff and change the cooldown back to 20 seconds and remove the aoe stun effect from telekinesis, but we'll just have to wait and see what ends up happening.
I don't see why they would nerf Morph. From my point of view if the banned heroes are considered stronger than Morph, shouldn't they be balanced first? Naga or Lycan for example with above 95% ban rates. I just don't understand. If Morphling is so strong why is Brood being banned more than Morph? Morph sporting a 60% winrate while Brood has a 20% winrate yet Brood is banned twice as much. Not to mention there are 15 heroes with more bans than Morph. Makes my head hurt thinking about it.
Win rate doesn't necessarily say that much on the hero's potential with the small sample size - if you consider furion, whose winrate is shockingly bad for a hero that good, it's because of what was sacrificed to take the furion. Brood has a fairly specific niche, and if the brood would punish your team, it will do it hard. That's why the brood is banned so much - it requires a pretty big investment to stop brood doing its thing. When you do mitigate the brood, it doesn't do that much.
That said, morphling is a bullshit hero and needs something doing to him. |
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| rabidch Singapore. August 28 2012 20:03. Posts 8061 | Profile # |
On August 28 2012 19:50 Ralphy wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:23 Canas wrote:
Yeah but those buffs happened months ago. He's been a very popular pick pretty consistently for a while now, though it's been taken to an extreme with TI2. But yeah I do agree that icefrog should probably revert some of the buffs, but there weren't even that many, so it might be hard to find a good balance.
And rubick is clearly a bit too strong too, his ult can win fights by itself, and he can be run as either a VERY strong solo mid or he can be run just fine as a support too, some teams even experiment with running him as a hardlane solo, so he's a bit too versatile as he will fit into any team at any time.
If I was icefrog I'd probably revert the adaptive strike buff and change the cooldown back to 20 seconds and remove the aoe stun effect from telekinesis, but we'll just have to wait and see what ends up happening.
I don't see why they would nerf Morph. From my point of view if the banned heroes are considered stronger than Morph, shouldn't they be balanced first? Naga or Lycan for example with above 95% ban rates. I just don't understand. If Morphling is so strong why is Brood being banned more than Morph? Morph sporting a 60% winrate while Brood has a 20% winrate yet Brood is banned twice as much. Not to mention there are 15 heroes with more bans than Morph. Makes my head hurt thinking about it.
the last stat lane is a skewed statistic, primarily because morph is now picked in the 1st phase of picking, meaning that there are many other heroes that are above him because they are common heroes to ban out in the 2nd phase of bans
another reason people dislike the hero is that, for the history of dota2 (not dota1), he is the antimage version 2 where he is very annoying to kill and gank and farms a lot,
and well heroes that annoying to kill and gank and have such versatility at all stages of the game should probably be nerfed.Last edit: 2012-08-28 20:06:16 |
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| ahswtini Northern Ireland. August 28 2012 20:15. Posts 2594 | Profile Blog # |
| Antimage doesn't have much of a presence early game though, whereas a 325 damage line nuke is significant. |
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| rabidch Singapore. August 28 2012 20:17. Posts 8061 | Profile # |
On August 28 2012 20:15 ahswtini wrote:
Antimage doesn't have much of a presence early game though, whereas a 325 damage line nuke is significant.
version 2 would imply that antimage is different =P |
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| superstartran United States. August 29 2012 06:27. Posts 1307 | Profile # |
On August 27 2012 23:06 TheStonerer wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 16:22 wcLLg wrote:
"...we could see a shift in the popularity of certain heroes during the event if some teams are very successful with them."
I think morf fits this description perfectly right now.
Morph was already picked often after Quantic gave him to Korok when they came in strong on the scene. I guess Chinese also think Morph is beastly.
Morph has been a staple pick in Chinese play for a very long time. Burning's signature hero is Morphling. |
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| Rybka United States. August 29 2012 06:42. Posts 468 | Profile # |
On August 28 2012 20:02 lozarian wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 19:50 Ralphy wrote:
On August 28 2012 00:23 Canas wrote:
Yeah but those buffs happened months ago. He's been a very popular pick pretty consistently for a while now, though it's been taken to an extreme with TI2. But yeah I do agree that icefrog should probably revert some of the buffs, but there weren't even that many, so it might be hard to find a good balance.
And rubick is clearly a bit too strong too, his ult can win fights by itself, and he can be run as either a VERY strong solo mid or he can be run just fine as a support too, some teams even experiment with running him as a hardlane solo, so he's a bit too versatile as he will fit into any team at any time.
If I was icefrog I'd probably revert the adaptive strike buff and change the cooldown back to 20 seconds and remove the aoe stun effect from telekinesis, but we'll just have to wait and see what ends up happening.
I don't see why they would nerf Morph. From my point of view if the banned heroes are considered stronger than Morph, shouldn't they be balanced first? Naga or Lycan for example with above 95% ban rates. I just don't understand. If Morphling is so strong why is Brood being banned more than Morph? Morph sporting a 60% winrate while Brood has a 20% winrate yet Brood is banned twice as much. Not to mention there are 15 heroes with more bans than Morph. Makes my head hurt thinking about it.
Win rate doesn't necessarily say that much on the hero's potential with the small sample size - if you consider furion, whose winrate is shockingly bad for a hero that good, it's because of what was sacrificed to take the furion. Brood has a fairly specific niche, and if the brood would punish your team, it will do it hard. That's why the brood is banned so much - it requires a pretty big investment to stop brood doing its thing. When you do mitigate the brood, it doesn't do that much. That said, morphling is a bullshit hero and needs something doing to him.
How is Morph any more BS than Lycan, Naga, or DS? He's Godtier, but we're to the point now where there are too many strong heroes to capture in 10 bans. |
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| LuckoftheIrish United States. August 29 2012 07:43. Posts 1767 | Profile # |
| Players are also really, really good. It's hard to balance a hero for two completely different games, and as much as Ice balances for the competitive scene, you can't completely ignore the pub players. |
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| LuckoftheIrish United States. August 29 2012 07:44. Posts 1767 | Profile # |
On August 29 2012 06:27 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 23:06 TheStonerer wrote:
On August 27 2012 16:22 wcLLg wrote:
"...we could see a shift in the popularity of certain heroes during the event if some teams are very successful with them."
I think morf fits this description perfectly right now.
Morph was already picked often after Quantic gave him to Korok when they came in strong on the scene. I guess Chinese also think Morph is beastly.
Morph has been a staple pick in Chinese play for a very long time. Burning's signature hero is Morphling.
Also zhou's. And (come back! :-( ) Seaking. And back in the day xiao8. |
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| Percutio United States. August 29 2012 08:17. Posts 1366 | Profile Blog # |
| Sylla CK AM and Morph are the carries I see make it past the ban pool with frequency. CK is risky if you can't get kills, most teams play a terrible AM or just can't draft him without completely losing early game and I frequently see teams run Sylla as a semi carry (Except for DK). I think this combo of factors is why we see Morph picked a lot. The teams that are good at running AM have had good games against Morph, but it usually comes down to the overall team performance due to Morph being stronger early then AM having a strong mid game advantage all the way to the very late game due to his fast farm rate and direct strength against Morphling. Morphling just seems like the safe pick for a carry much like Windrunner is for the long lane because they fit into almost all of the current lineups. |
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| BeanerBurrito August 29 2012 08:44. Posts 578 | Profile # |
If morphling gets nerfed like anti mage did because whiney babies who have only watched the international saw him do good, I think i'll cry.
Anti-mage was barely changed because of the whinings after the last international, and yet now no one talks about his previous "omg hes so op not fair whine whine cry cry" status.
Seems like the international brings the flavor of the month "nerf this op hero" people out of the woodworkLast edit: 2012-08-29 08:46:41 |
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| Canas Sweden. August 29 2012 09:01. Posts 1459 | Profile Blog # |
AM had like 70%+ winrate in the first international and he was either banned or picked in every single game for the 6 months that followed the international. The hero was way too strong in that hero pool.
The difference with morph is that he was buffed fairly recently, and people started to gradually play him more and more, and now it's gotten to the point where he WILL get picked in the first 3 picks, and sometimes he's even banned in the first banning phase, I think darer used their first ban on him twice in some series they played yesterday.
And on top of that, there are only 18 (I think?) heroes left, while at the last international, that number was closer to 60. Morphling is too strong right now, and a large part of that is because he got buffed a little while back. |
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| Burns United States. August 29 2012 09:05. Posts 1617 | Profile Blog # |
| I think there is a pretty good. alance between most units in the game, but balance in this game is also very difficult to gauge for a lot players since its very situational |
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| LAN-f34r New Zealand. August 29 2012 13:16. Posts 1057 | Profile # |
| The nice thing about CM is that imbalanced heroes don't have much impact on the game, simply using up one of the starting bans. This allows ice from freedom to buff a hero to try to make a natural counter to it (eg promote other heroes with silences or other ways of shutting down morph in this case). If it is just plain OP, then it just results in another lycan (although lycan getting through bans :S). |
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