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| GT350 United States. August 24 2012 04:48. Posts 270 | Profile # |
Children of older dads are more likely to develop diseases such as schizophrenia and autism than those of younger fathers, new research suggests.
Older men pass on more new DNA mutations - de novo mutations - to their kids than younger dads, putting their children at a higher risk for developmental issues, according to a study published Wednesday in the scientific journal Nature.
Mutations generate sequence diversity and provide a substrate for selection. The rate of de novo mutations is therefore of major importance to evolution. Here we conduct a study of genome-wide mutation rates by sequencing the entire genomes of 78 Icelandic parent–offspring trios at high coverage. We show that in our samples, with an average father’s age of 29.7, the average de novo mutation rate is 1.20 × 10−8 per nucleotide per generation. Most notably, the diversity in mutation rate of single nucleotide polymorphisms is dominated by the age of the father at conception of the child. The effect is an increase of about two mutations per year. An exponential model estimates paternal mutations doubling every 16.5 years. After accounting for random Poisson variation, father’s age is estimated to explain nearly all of the remaining variation in the de novo mutation counts. These observations shed light on the importance of the father’s age on the risk of diseases such as schizophrenia and autism.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v488/n7412/full/nature11396.html http://healthland.time.com/2012/08/23/older-fathers-linked-to-kids-autism-and-schizophrenia-risk/ |
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| Cokefreak Finland. August 24 2012 04:50. Posts 5665 | Profile # |
| Well I do feel quite schizophrenic at times, my dad was 49 when I was born. Interesting study, have to read through it tomorrow when I'm a bit more awake. |
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| farvacola United States. August 24 2012 04:51. Posts 5501 | Profile Blog # |
| Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful. |
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| ddrddrddrddr August 24 2012 04:51. Posts 1232 | Profile # |
| Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right? |
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| Zahir United States. August 24 2012 04:53. Posts 908 | Profile # |
| Makes sense to me. I've often heard people say that children born of young couples tend to be fitter. |
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| Demonhunter04 August 24 2012 04:59. Posts 1470 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body.
On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit.
EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations.
Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.Last edit: 2012-08-24 05:01:06 |
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| farvacola United States. August 24 2012 05:04. Posts 5501 | Profile Blog # |
On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Yes really, one of the most prevalent maternal age related issues with pregnancy is an increased risk of downs syndrome, which is a chromosomal defect, meaning we understand age and the quality of genetic material to be highly interrelated. The same can be clearly be applied to the quality of male genetic material. |
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| Demonhunter04 August 24 2012 05:23. Posts 1470 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 05:04 farvacola wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Yes really, one of the most prevalent maternal age related issues with pregnancy is an increased risk of downs syndrome, which is a chromosomal defect, meaning we understand age and the quality of genetic material to be highly interrelated. The same can be clearly be applied to the quality of male genetic material.
Not really, since a woman is born with all the eggs she will ever have, and so they age over time. Men replace sperm daily. |
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| Flamingo777 United States. August 24 2012 05:25. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
| I'd modify the title to include schizophrenia, or at least broaden it to like "Older dads may increase the risk of mental disorders in children," or something like that. |
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| IamBach United States. August 24 2012 05:27. Posts 1058 | Profile Blog # |
| That sucks for old dads now. I would hate to think I was responsible for a defect in my child. |
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| farvacola United States. August 24 2012 05:32. Posts 5501 | Profile Blog # |
On August 24 2012 05:23 Demonhunter04 wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:04 farvacola wrote: On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Yes really, one of the most prevalent maternal age related issues with pregnancy is an increased risk of downs syndrome, which is a chromosomal defect, meaning we understand age and the quality of genetic material to be highly interrelated. The same can be clearly be applied to the quality of male genetic material.
Not really, since a woman is born with all the eggs she will ever have, and so they age over time. Men replace sperm daily.
The testicles age over time just as eggs do. |
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| Demonhunter04 August 24 2012 05:34. Posts 1470 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 05:32 farvacola wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:23 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 05:04 farvacola wrote: On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Yes really, one of the most prevalent maternal age related issues with pregnancy is an increased risk of downs syndrome, which is a chromosomal defect, meaning we understand age and the quality of genetic material to be highly interrelated. The same can be clearly be applied to the quality of male genetic material.
Not really, since a woman is born with all the eggs she will ever have, and so they age over time. Men replace sperm daily.
The testicles age over time just as eggs do.
The sperm themselves are replaced. And the womb also ages over time. |
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| Alpino Brazil. August 24 2012 05:51. Posts 2584 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Adaptation can come only from mutations coinciding with what was needed. |
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Bahamut1337 Ghana. August 24 2012 05:54. Posts 205 | Profile # |
| Would explain a lot ( possibly ) regarding the amount of disabled people which is increasing in the Netherlands ( average age of dads up, disabilities due to it up? ) |
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| Demonhunter04 August 24 2012 05:58. Posts 1470 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 05:51 Alpino wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Adaptation can come only from mutations coinciding with what was needed.
Unless the phenotype already exists in the population. |
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| mcc Czech Republic. August 24 2012 06:08. Posts 3751 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 05:34 Demonhunter04 wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:32 farvacola wrote: On August 24 2012 05:23 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 05:04 farvacola wrote: On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Yes really, one of the most prevalent maternal age related issues with pregnancy is an increased risk of downs syndrome, which is a chromosomal defect, meaning we understand age and the quality of genetic material to be highly interrelated. The same can be clearly be applied to the quality of male genetic material.
Not really, since a woman is born with all the eggs she will ever have, and so they age over time. Men replace sperm daily.
The testicles age over time just as eggs do.
The sperm themselves are replaced. And the womb also ages over time.
Are you actually arguing that father's age does not have measurable impact on child's health issues or that it has but much less than mother's ? Because the former is clearly contradicted by the study from OP, the latter seems like a reasonable assumption so far. |
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| mcc Czech Republic. August 24 2012 06:09. Posts 3751 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 05:58 Demonhunter04 wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:51 Alpino wrote: On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Adaptation can come only from mutations coinciding with what was needed.
Unless the phenotype already exists in the population.
You mean genotype ? |
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| Shakattak Canada. August 24 2012 06:10. Posts 911 | Profile Blog # |
| I am a high functioning Austic my dad was in his mid thirties when he and my mom had me. |
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| Demonhunter04 August 24 2012 06:11. Posts 1470 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 06:09 mcc wrote: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:58 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 05:51 Alpino wrote: On August 24 2012 04:59 Demonhunter04 wrote: On August 24 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Well this seems reasonable, we're already aware of how the mother's age affects the likelihood of certain diseases, it would follow that a father's age is similarly impactful.
Not really, since the child grows in the mother's body. On August 24 2012 04:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Well, if it's just mutations we're talking about, then it also speeds up evolution if the entire society's women go for older men right?
Yes. For that matter, the natural lifespan of our species is attributed to older men having more children over their lifetime than men who did not live as long. Genes for lifespan are not sex-linked, so both genders benefit. EDIT: Evolution is mainly spurred by the survival of the most adapted, more so than mutations. Also, the mutation rate is incredibly low to begin with, so even doubling it a few times makes little difference.
Adaptation can come only from mutations coinciding with what was needed.
Unless the phenotype already exists in the population.
You mean genotype ?
No, I meant phenotype. |
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| Psychonian United States. August 24 2012 06:13. Posts 492 | Profile # |
Hmm, let's see. My dad was 38 when I was born and I have been diagnosed with PDD, ADHD, and High Functioning Autism. So this could be a factor. I'll have to read through it.
Also, Mod needs to change title to 'Old fathers linked to mental disorders' or maybe 'Old fathers linked to schizophrenia, autism'.
On August 24 2012 06:10 ShakAttaK wrote: I am a high functioning Austic my dad was in his mid thirties when he and my mom had me.
Yeah, as I said in my post, he was 38, mom was 36. So, something to think about.Last edit: 2012-08-24 06:14:58 |
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